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So what teammate of Rexy was it last week that said: Grossman willed this team to win...???

Grossman's "will" helped this team win today....ONCE AGAIN...!!! Look are him stay strong against the blitz pressure. Look at him BAT DOWN 2 balls that were tipped.... it reminds me of Theismann during his SuperBowl run, batting down a sure INT.

I hope that this is the New & Improved: Sexy Rexy....!!!

The offense looked "off" today. In the end I give the game ball to the defense coming up big when the team needed 'em most

No question has a strong will. He did get that TD on 4 and three to win the game; however,

Rex seems to think that when he is under intense pressure, he has to make a play rather than throw it away or just take a sack. Petyon Manning finds no shame in just going to the ground when he sees he is about to ge hit. In FG range, on third and goal, he should be thinking, if it isn't there, throw it away not I am under duress, there is a WR, hope he catches it.

Good Rex

Bad Rex

Nothing new here. Doing enough to win and doing enough to lose. I would not be surprised if we get the same schizophrenic behavior EVERY game this season.

Good consistency makes a franchise QB. This is his last season to show he can become one.

To his credit, he did have 291 yards passing and two TD's. He had 305 and two TD's last week; that's good consistency.

To be frank, his fumble last week and one of the two INTs this week really weren't his fault IMO.

I dunno, it just felt like the offense wasn't really clicking. The stats were there, but something didn't feel right.

Trap game today..... we almost fell into the trap.

That must be it b/c outside of the running game, our WR's just couldn't get it going.

Bob 0119 wrote:To his credit, he did have 291 yards passing and two TD's. He had 305 and two TD's last week; that's good consistency.

To be frank, his fumble last week and one of the two INTs this week really weren't his fault IMO.

I dunno, it just felt like the offense wasn't really clicking. The stats were there, but something didn't feel right.

A case can be made that the interception that set up the first Card TD was not his fault, but fumble was his fault. Once Rex recognized that Pierre-Paul was coming for him, Rex tried to runaway.

No way Rex outruns Pierre-Paul - bad decision. Better decision - fall down - Peyton Manning does it. Live a fight another day rather than give it to the opposition. Manning recognizes his limitations, he can't run unless there is absolutely no one in front of him. Rex needs to learn his limitations. It wasn't his fault that Williams got beat, or rather miscommunicated then got beat, but it was his fault for making the decision to try to run away from JPP and then fail to cover the ball in his feable attempt to get way.

Fall down when there is no way to avoid the inevitable sack and cover the ball when you see the inevitable sack coming.

Red_One43 wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:To his credit, he did have 291 yards passing and two TD's. He had 305 and two TD's last week; that's good consistency.

To be frank, his fumble last week and one of the two INTs this week really weren't his fault IMO.

I dunno, it just felt like the offense wasn't really clicking. The stats were there, but something didn't feel right.

A case can be made that the interception that set up the first Card TD was not his fault, but fumble was his fault. Once Rex recognized that Pierre-Paul was coming for him, Rex tried to runaway.

No way Rex outruns Pierre-Paul - bad decision. Better decision - fall down - Peyton Manning does it. Live a fight another day rather than give it to the opposition. Manning recognizes his limitations, he can't run unless there is absolutely no one in front of him. Rex needs to learn his limitations. It wasn't his fault that Williams got beat, or rather miscommunicated then got beat, but it was his fault for making the decision to try to run away from JPP and then fail to cover the ball in his feable attempt to get way.

Fall down when there is no way to avoid the inevitable sack and cover the ball when you see the inevitable sack coming.

Pierre Paul plays for the Gnats.....no? Is there another guy?

tribeofjudah wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:To his credit, he did have 291 yards passing and two TD's. He had 305 and two TD's last week; that's good consistency.

To be frank, his fumble last week and one of the two INTs this week really weren't his fault IMO.

I dunno, it just felt like the offense wasn't really clicking. The stats were there, but something didn't feel right.

A case can be made that the interception that set up the first Card TD was not his fault, but fumble was his fault. Once Rex recognized that Pierre-Paul was coming for him, Rex tried to runaway.

No way Rex outruns Pierre-Paul - bad decision. Better decision - fall down - Peyton Manning does it. Live a fight another day rather than give it to the opposition. Manning recognizes his limitations, he can't run unless there is absolutely no one in front of him. Rex needs to learn his limitations. It wasn't his fault that Williams got beat, or rather miscommunicated then got beat, but it was his fault for making the decision to try to run away from JPP and then fail to cover the ball in his feable attempt to get way.

Fall down when there is no way to avoid the inevitable sack and cover the ball when you see the inevitable sack coming.

Pierre Paul plays for the Gnats.....no? Is there another guy?

Yeah, that's the fumble we're referring to.

And Pierre Paul was past Williams before Rex had taken the second step of his three step drop. It's not like he was trying to keep the play alive, he was simply bum-rushed.

You gotta LOVE those 2 balls batted down by Rex. Granted, we don't like tipped balls coming from our QB.....BUT what a way to play Defense.

What a way to correct a potential disaster ON THE SPOT.....!!! We wont by the SKIN of our teeth.

Bob 0119 wrote:The offense looked "off" today. In the end I give the game ball to the defense coming up big when the team needed 'em most

Come on, man. "Off"???? The team had nearly 300 passing yards and 172 rushing yards. They had the ball 17 minutes longer than the Cardinals!

Clearly there is room for improvement, especially in the red zone. I feel you on that. But its hard to point to nearly 500 yards of offense and complain that they were "off".

Yards gained is nice. Points scored inside the red zone is in my opinion more important.

riggofan wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:The offense looked "off" today. In the end I give the game ball to the defense coming up big when the team needed 'em most

Come on, man. "Off"???? The team had nearly 300 passing yards and 172 rushing yards. They had the ball 17 minutes longer than the Cardinals!

Clearly there is room for improvement, especially in the red zone. I feel you on that. But its hard to point to nearly 500 yards of offense and complain that they were "off".

Ok, I'm going to do my best Harvey Dent impersonation here.

I agree with both of you. The offense ead very productive, yet it still look off, most of the day.

tribeofjudah wrote:Trap game today..... we almost fell into the trap.

I saw no one NOT taking 'zona seriously. This was not a trap game. Simply a matter of an unfinished work in progress.

'zona is a decent team. When we couldn't finish them in the first half, they adjusted. When our db's started falling, they adjusted some more... pretty simple. Sometimes, the opponent has something to say about the outcome, too. It's not as though we were playing a team that's destined to be 2-14. The Redskins did not look past Arizona. The trap game excuse is overused. This was NOT a trap game. It was a game played by a team that is still learning how to win against a good team... in the end, they figured out a way to do it.

Last year, this same game would likely have gone into the L column... 2 years ago, it DEFINITELY would have been a Loss.

Bob 0119 wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:

Red_One43 wrote: A case can be made that the interception that set up the first Card TD was not his fault, but fumble was his fault. Once Rex recognized that Pierre-Paul was coming for him, Rex tried to runaway.

No way Rex outruns Pierre-Paul - bad decision. Better decision - fall down - Peyton Manning does it. Live a fight another day rather than give it to the opposition. Manning recognizes his limitations, he can't run unless there is absolutely no one in front of him. Rex needs to learn his limitations. It wasn't his fault that Williams got beat, or rather miscommunicated then got beat, but it was his fault for making the decision to try to run away from JPP and then fail to cover the ball in his feable attempt to get way.

Fall down when there is no way to avoid the inevitable sack and cover the ball when you see the inevitable sack coming.

Pierre Paul plays for the Gnats.....no? Is there another guy?

Yeah, that's the fumble we're referring to.

And Pierre Paul was past Williams before Rex had taken the second step of his three step drop. It's not like he was trying to keep the play alive, he was simply bum-rushed.

Watch the play again, Bob... On this, Red_One is right. Grossman absolutely saw Paul coming... and turned, not to evade, but to absorb the hit. However, instead of pulling the ball in to cover it, he hung it out. The sack was on Williams...but the fumble was on Grossman, all the way. This was a failure of fundamentals. You have to cover it when you know you are about to be hit.

None the less... you can expect one or two bad decisions per game from most quarterbacks. No one, not even Peyton and Tom, are perfect. That Rex has only one poor decision in each game is certainly looking up.

Bob 0119 wrote:The offense looked "off" today. In the end I give the game ball to the defense coming up big when the team needed 'em most

true

How about this:
Rexy will do the unthinkable - lead us to the promise land ala Doug Williams and Mark Rypien.

tribeofjudah wrote:How about this:
Rexy will do the unthinkable - lead us to the promise land ala Doug Williams and Mark Rypien.

That's very hopeful... but I don't think we are quite there... yet. (not that I wouldn't mind being VERY Wrong)

MORE reasons why REXY is getting more SEXY:

Washington Redskins QB Rex Grossman has just four games in his career with 300-plus yards of passing and three of those have come with the Redskins and under offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan. Three of those have also come in his last six games with the team.

Countertrey wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:How about this:
Rexy will do the unthinkable - lead us to the promise land ala Doug Williams and Mark Rypien.

That's very hopeful... but I don't think we are quite there... yet. (not that I wouldn't mind being VERY Wrong)

Hey, hey, hey. . . hey. Hey.

(Sorry, I really do happen to like those Deion DirecTV commercials. I tried not to, but they just make me smile).

I'm happy with Rex's play, too. But slow down on the D. Williams (hell, even the M. Rypien) comparison. D. Williams is not nearly lauded enough by Redskins fan's for his place in Redskins lore. Feel free to compare Rex to M. Brunell all day long, but D. Williams is in absolutely rarified air 'round these parts.

And until Rex gets an Oline that gives up only 9 sacks (well, 6 real sacks and then 3 in that throw away eagles game to finish the season when we had 1st locked up), I doubt you're going to see the famous Roll-out right, bomb it to #84 or #83 or the 12 step drop and hit #81 who is somehow wide the hell open. So probably can't compare him to Rypien either.

Superbowl.

emoses14 wrote: I'm happy with Rex's play, too. But slow down on the D. Williams (hell, even the M. Rypien) comparison. D. Williams is not nearly lauded enough by Redskins fan's for his place in Redskins lore. Feel free to compare Rex to M. Brunell all day long, but D. Williams is in absolutely rarified air 'round these parts.

And until Rex gets an Oline that gives up only 9 sacks (well, 6 real sacks and then 3 in that throw away eagles game to finish the season when we had 1st locked up), I doubt you're going to see the famous Roll-out right, bomb it to #84 or #83 or the 12 step drop and hit #81 who is somehow wide the hell open. So probably can't compare him to Rypien either.

I was about to "correct" you by saying that Doug Williams and Mark Rypien were middling QB's with excellent offensive lines, running games and receiving options, then I looked it up:

Doug Williams: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... um:passing

27 TDs, 20 INTs, 207 YPG.

Mark Rypien: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... um:passing

101 TDs, 75 INTs, 206.9 YPG.

Those guys were darned good, although I'll argue Ryp was much better. He was a starter for 5 years, too bad injured killed him in 1993. With another healthy season he might have had a chance to stay on as Norv Turner's QB instead of getting released and opening the door to the Heath Shuler era. He was a two time pro-bowl player who probably could have done much more if not for injuries in 1990 and again in 1993. I didn't realize how good he was until I did a little reading.

I am not sure you can judge either player purely on their lifetime stats -- especially for Rypien. Rypien's numbers plummetted after his shoulder injury in 1991.

Rypien had one of the best seasons of any QB in Skins history on his way to SB MVP in 1991. It was a shame he hurt his shoulder during the pro bowl of all places. Rypien was a multi-year pro bowler, who many argue could have been a hall of famer had he not been injured after the 1991 season. I only wonder what could have been with Rypien. After his shoulder surgery in 1991, he had to completely change his throwing motion -- which many people don't know (and I only know because of his doctor).

As for Williams, although he had a great SB run, was only 8-9 as a skins starter (including playoffs). He, like Rypien, did have some injuries, but was not as good a QB as Rypien. Williams had one of the best SB games in history (and for that I am eternally grateful), but didn't do much else outside of that SB run.

Regardless, both QBs were some of the nicest in the league. I have met Rypien a couple times and must say he is one of the nicest pro athletes I have ever met. Totally humble.

Though my favorite between the 2 was Williams (that superbowl is still one of my top 5 sports memories, all time), I have to agree with markshark. I met Rypien myself when he was on vacation with his family in VA. He made an incredibly nervous 7th grader feel completely at ease (well, more at ease than I was when I realized who he was and walked up to him) while signing an autograph. I remember his wife smiled and said hello, too.

Hell of a nice guy, for sure.