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The McNabb vs. Grossman Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:23 pm
by cvillehog
Thought it might be interesting/instructive to keep a head-to-head comparison going between McNabb and Grossman (or Beck if he plays at all). To that end, here's how it shook out in week one:
Rex Grossman: 34-21, 305 yards, 61.8%, 9.0 Yds/Att, 2 TD, 0 INT, 39 Long, 4 sacks, 110.5 rating
Donovan McNabb: 15-7, 39 yards, 46.7%, 2.6 Yds/Att, 1 TD, 1 INT, 12 Long, 2 sacks, 47.9 rating
Update:
Grossman's "QBR" (ESPN's new QB rating) was 75, and McNabb's 20.7.
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:51 pm
by MDSKINSFAN
Either Andy Reid's system made McNabb look a lot better than he really was or he is done and Reid knew it before he traded him here.
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:55 pm
by 1niksder
MDSKINSFAN wrote:Either Andy Reid's system made McNabb look a lot better than he really was or he is done and Reid knew it before he traded him here.
Or both
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:06 pm
by cvillehog
1niksder wrote:MDSKINSFAN wrote:Either Andy Reid's system made McNabb look a lot better than he really was or he is done and Reid knew it before he traded him here.
Or both
+1
I think we'll all admit that Grossman played above (even fans') expectations, but much of the gap here is from McNabb performing so poorly.
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:14 pm
by redskinz4ever
round 1 goes to GROSSMAN
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:50 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Grossman threw for his fourth 300+yards game.. Last two were w us last year right? Maybe this system fits him?
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:57 pm
by HarleyHog
Same issue as trying to write Beck off because he did poorly as a rookie playing for one of the worst teams ever. Rex only ever had 300 yards passing once with the Bears, and his supporting cast wasn't that great. He clearly has skills, as long as he "stays good". Rex gets himself in trouble when he takes chances. He is older and calmer, and in a system where every pass play is essentially intended for a specific reciever. If he's covered, then you start the progression. It simplifies the decision making process, hence minimizing his opportunities to "go bad". I just hope the O-line pick up their game a bit.
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:02 pm
by tribeofjudah
Not even close......
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:02 pm
by tribeofjudah
It's the system....the system....
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:23 pm
by Countertrey
tribeofjudah wrote:It's the system....the system....
That's not a bad thing. It was the system that made Joe Theisman, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien superbowl champions. The key is matching the talent to fit it. Looks good, so far.
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:12 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Much better the Dwhack in this system... O wait maybe any system. He had less yards then the yafl game qbs I watched. That's baaaaaad
Re: The McNabb vs. Grossman Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:11 pm
by welch
cvillehog wrote:Thought it might be interesting/instructive to keep a head-to-head comparison going between McNabb and Grossman (or Beck if he plays at all). To that end, here's how it shook out in week one:
Rex Grossman: 34-21, 305 yards, 61.8%, 9.0 Yds/Att, 2 TD, 0 INT, 39 Long, 4 sacks, 110.5 rating
Donovan McNabb: 15-7, 39 yards, 46.7%, 2.6 Yds/Att, 1 TD, 1 INT, 12 Long, 2 sacks, 47.9 rating
Update:
Grossman's "QBR" (ESPN's new QB rating) was 75, and McNabb's 20.7.
Cville, this is sadistic!!!!!
Re: The McNabb vs. Grossman Thread
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:24 pm
by yupchagee
welch wrote:cvillehog wrote:Thought it might be interesting/instructive to keep a head-to-head comparison going between McNabb and Grossman (or Beck if he plays at all). To that end, here's how it shook out in week one:
Rex Grossman: 34-21, 305 yards, 61.8%, 9.0 Yds/Att, 2 TD, 0 INT, 39 Long, 4 sacks, 110.5 rating
Donovan McNabb: 15-7, 39 yards, 46.7%, 2.6 Yds/Att, 1 TD, 1 INT, 12 Long, 2 sacks, 47.9 rating
Update:
Grossman's "QBR" (ESPN's new QB rating) was 75, and McNabb's 20.7.
Cville, this is sadistic!!!!!
You say "sadistic" like it's a bad thing!!!!!
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:44 pm
by riggofan
Man I heard these stats today and couldn't help but feel a little bad for McNabb. I thought for sure he would want to go to Minnesota and redeem himself a little bit. ugh.
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:45 pm
by andyjens89
I wish I knew how to spell out the noise a fart makes, because that's how I feel about McNabb.
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:06 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
andyjens89 wrote:I wish I knew how to spell out the noise a fart makes, because that's how I feel about McNabb.
Thhhhhppphhhttttt
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:21 am
by Champsturf
andyjens89 wrote:I wish I knew how to spell out the noise a fart makes, because that's how I feel about McNabb.
Just say "go blue." It's the same sound.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:24 am
by andyjens89
Champsturf wrote:andyjens89 wrote:I wish I knew how to spell out the noise a fart makes, because that's how I feel about McNabb.
Just say "go blue." It's the same sound.
2-0?
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:59 am
by KazooSkinsFan
Champsturf wrote:andyjens89 wrote:I wish I knew how to spell out the noise a fart makes, because that's how I feel about McNabb.
Just say "go blue." It's the same sound.
Green is a better fart color
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:57 pm
by rick301
andyjens89 wrote:I wish I knew how to spell out the noise a fart makes, because that's how I feel about McNabb.
LOL
are you talking pssssssssssst or a rip roaring boooooom?
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:34 pm
by CanesSkins26
Only one week people. If we go off of one week Ryan Fitzpatrick is the best qb in the NFL.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:43 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
CanesSkins26 wrote:Only one week people. If we go off of one week Ryan Fitzpatrick is the best qb in the NFL.
I think you're way over reading what people mean by saying we're glad Grossman had a good week
Re: The McNabb vs. Grossman Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:43 pm
by rick301
cvillehog wrote:Thought it might be interesting/instructive to keep a head-to-head comparison going between McNabb and Grossman (or Beck if he plays at all). To that end, here's how it shook out in week one:
Rex Grossman: 34-21, 305 yards, 61.8%, 9.0 Yds/Att, 2 TD, 0 INT, 39 Long, 4 sacks, 110.5 rating
Donovan McNabb: 15-7, 39 yards, 46.7%, 2.6 Yds/Att, 1 TD, 1 INT, 12 Long, 2 sacks, 47.9 rating
Update:
Grossman's "QBR" (ESPN's new QB rating) was 75, and McNabb's 20.7.
to put the number into perspective
... ESPN's innovated new "Total QBR" stat that's meant as a better measuring stick for quarterbacks than the long-established, seldom understood "passer rating." There's a lot that goes into it, including video review of every quarterback's "action plays," but as simply explained to us by the folks who worked countless hours on it, Total QBR is "a quarterback rating that takes into account all of a quarterbacks' contributions (passing, rushing sacks, fumbles, penalties) to his team's scoring and winning." The result is a number from one to 100, with 50 representing an average game, 65 or better representing a Pro Bowl-level performance and 75 or better representing an MVP-level performance.
...
Among the quarterbacks who have played so far (with two Monday games set to wrap up Week 1 this evening on ESPN), Washington Redskins quarterback Rex Grossman ranks highest among NFC East quarterbacks with a Total QBR of 75. That's good for sixth in the league to this point, behind only Ryan Fitzpatrick (91.2), Aaron Rodgers (91.1), Matthew Stafford (87.4), Joe Flacco (79.6) and Cam Newton (75.7). Looking at the numbers behind the formula, Grossman seems to have played an overall solid game, passing the ball well, making clutch plays and staying away from penalties. He did a lot right and little wrong, and if that continues he can continue to have success in Mike Shanahan's system.
As a comparison here are the other NFC East QBs
Vick 71.0
Romo 62.9
Manning 53.6
Here is the link to the entire list:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6943920/nfl-week-1-total-qbr-leaders
I hope Rex can consistently repeat!
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:53 pm
by SprintRightOption
I had to look up the name of Fitzpatrick because I had never heard of him. I think this list shows that there is no direct correlation to the performance of your quarterback to winning or losing. It certainly helps , but some of the QBs that had higher numbers their teams lost like Tony Romo and some with much lower numbers their teams won like Jason Campbell and Mark Sanchez.
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:55 pm
by CanesSkins26
KazooSkinsFan wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Only one week people. If we go off of one week Ryan Fitzpatrick is the best qb in the NFL.
I think you're way over reading what people mean by saying we're glad Grossman had a good week
I referring more to McNabb in this instance. I don't think he dominates, but I think he does ok with the Vikings.