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What to do with Rex vs Giants
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:59 am
by frankcal20
Put yourself in the shoes of the Shanahan’s (Mike and Kyle) as the Redskins prep for the Giants this Sunday at Fed Ex Field. The season opener with Rex Grossman under center.
What are you going to see from New York defensive coordinator Perry Fewell? Pressure, some unique looks, plus a front four that can allow the Giants to play coverage and still get to the QB in 3rd down passing situations. Thinking that way, what is your counter, your adjustments and how do you build your game plan to put Grossman in a position to produce? Here’s what I would do…
Rex Grossman ICONWant to see Grossman produce? Give him a game plan that is loaded with inside breaking routes.
- Deep shot in the first three plays of the game. I understand the need to run the inside and outside zone with RB Tim Hightower (something we will see on Sunday), but I am going to test the top of the defense early. And it’s most likely going to be a double-move with WR Santana Moss.
-Inside breaking routes. That’s where Rex is at his best. But keep it simple. Run the dig (square-in), slant, Hi-Lo crossers, the option route, curl, etc. Short to intermediate throws that break back to the middle of the field. No need to see Grossman trying to throw the deep out.
- Use the boot and sprint game. Last thing I want to see is Grossman having to retreat from pressure and throw the ball off of his back foot. Get him out of the pocket with the swap boot action (counter action in the backfield) and use the basic curl-flat combo in the sprint out pass.
- Screens. Easiest way to slow down pressure is by incorporating the screen game into the call sheet. That will get those Giants’ DEs to slow their rush and if you catch New York in a blitz, we are talking about a big play.
-Manageable third down situations. We can say this for any starting QB in the league, but does anyone want to see Rex facing 3rd and 11-plus on a consistent basis? Move the ball in early down and distance situations and give him something to work with. The playbook has multiple options on 3rd and 3-6. After that? The playbook shrinks—drastically.
- Use three and even four WR personnel packages. The Giants have had injuries at the CB position. Find out where they are talent wise on the depth chart. Basically, wear them down.
- Give him some confidence through the play calling. No QB wants to be handcuffed in the huddle. The ‘Skins need to give him some opportunities to play aggressive and challenge the Giants. The early deep shot like I talked about above, vertical play action concepts and the opportunity to check to a route down the field when he sees press-coverage.
I’ll be honest here…when training camp opened in D.C. I was sure this was John Beck’s job. But with Grossman taking the snaps this Sunday, you have to script a game plan that gives him an opportunity to produce like a No.1.
I like the sound of this. Bunch formations. Anything that will confuse the defense who hasn't played much together.
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:16 pm
by ATX_Skins
I know everyone is concerned about our QB situation. Don't be. We will be winning games this year by running the ball. Expect a heavy dose of running Sunday.
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:15 pm
by jeremyroyce
ATX_Skins wrote:I know everyone is concerned about our QB situation. Don't be. We will be winning games this year by running the ball. Expect a heavy dose of running Sunday.
I'm sorry but until these two QB's prove me wrong I will be very concerned. The problem this Sunday is which Grossman is going to show up?
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:17 pm
by MDSKINSFAN
Just protect him because we know if Rex gets hit the ball is coming out. Solid playcalling will also help as the original post said.
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:30 pm
by InsaneBoost
I don't think the QB situation is as bad as a lot think or some think it will be. No doubt they aren't elite QB's, but they still can get the job done. Both look comfortable and both can run the offense.
The only thing I worry about with Rex is his mobility and his consistency. Rex has shown he can be a good QB, problem is that every other week.
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:35 pm
by CanesSkins26
ATX_Skins wrote:I know everyone is concerned about our QB situation. Don't be. We will be winning games this year by running the ball. Expect a heavy dose of running Sunday.
Teams are going to be stacking the box against us until the passing game is able to make plays consistently down the field.
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:45 pm
by langleyparkjoe
CanesSkins26 wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:I know everyone is concerned about our QB situation. Don't be. We will be winning games this year by running the ball. Expect a heavy dose of running Sunday.
Teams are going to be stacking the box against us until the passing game is able to make plays consistently down the field.
and we will bro.. especially wit a certain "U" player speeding down the field!
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:56 pm
by skinsfan#33
langleyparkjoe wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:I know everyone is concerned about our QB situation. Don't be. We will be winning games this year by running the ball. Expect a heavy dose of running Sunday.
Teams are going to be stacking the box against us until the passing game is able to make plays consistently down the field.
and we will bro.. especially wit a certain "U" player speeding down the field!
Moss or Hankerson.
AAA is the team's best deep threat. His performance last year ess on par with Desean Jackason's (don't believe mw look it up - DJ was only slightly better)
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:00 pm
by skinsfan#33
With the G-string's injuries at LB and DB, that play where Rex rolls right after a fake to HT and then throws back accepts the field to the TE, should be WIDE OPEN!
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:11 pm
by yupchagee
I wouyldn't go deep that early. Let him get in a rythm 1st.
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:20 pm
by RedskinsRule56
ATX_Skins wrote:I know everyone is concerned about our QB situation. Don't be. We will be winning games this year by running the ball. Expect a heavy dose of running Sunday.
Every NFL Coach thinks this, none of them think Grossman can beat them, and especially not with the talent around him to throw to. The Giants and every other team is going to stack the box with 8 or 9 in it and make Rex beat them. FYI Tim Hightower has never proven himself to be a durable every down back in this league, no one knows if he can handle a heavy work load. Plus he doesn't exactly hold onto the football very well, (i.e.)he has fumbling issues.
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:27 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Great point rr we do have two starter caliber bcks to spell him so I think we are good... Stack the box sexy rexy CAN thro AAA wide open TD and they will back off till the run game breaks open back to the air back nd forth. I think its called football?
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:29 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
FYI not being able to decide who to cut and keeping EIGHT wide outs is pretty stacked I think he will have people to thro to.. Not to mention 2 great TE . Of course you hate cooooooley and Davis but we got some players that can catch you'll see Sunday
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:56 pm
by ATX_Skins
RedskinsRule56 wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:I know everyone is concerned about our QB situation. Don't be. We will be winning games this year by running the ball. Expect a heavy dose of running Sunday.
Every NFL Coach thinks this, none of them think Grossman can beat them, and especially not with the talent around him to throw to. The Giants and every other team is going to stack the box with 8 or 9 in it and make Rex beat them. FYI Tim Hightower has never proven himself to be a durable every down back in this league, no one knows if he can handle a heavy work load. Plus he doesn't exactly hold onto the football very well, (i.e.)he has fumbling issues.
It takes a few PA plays to get teams to stop stacking the box. We will run, lots of running. That is my prediction. I'm sure coaches knew this, however coaches also knew Green Bay were going to throw all the time. I also don't think at this point NY can afford to stack the box.
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:05 pm
by Countertrey
ATX_Skins wrote:RedskinsRule56 wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:I know everyone is concerned about our QB situation. Don't be. We will be winning games this year by running the ball. Expect a heavy dose of running Sunday.
Every NFL Coach thinks this, none of them think Grossman can beat them, and especially not with the talent around him to throw to. The Giants and every other team is going to stack the box with 8 or 9 in it and make Rex beat them. FYI Tim Hightower has never proven himself to be a durable every down back in this league, no one knows if he can handle a heavy work load. Plus he doesn't exactly hold onto the football very well, (i.e.)he has fumbling issues.
It takes a few PA plays to get teams to stop stacking the box. We will run, lots of running. That is my prediction. I'm sure coaches knew this, however coaches also knew Green Bay were going to throw all the time. I also don't think at this point NY can afford to stack the box.
I disagree... If I'm playing Washington, I have seen a very disciplined and effective run game, that bloodied the noses of two very stout run defenses in preseason, but a considerably less efficient pass game. I will hedge on the side of stopping the run, and forcing Washington to try to MAKE ME defend the pass... in other words, I'm stacking the box until forced to do otherwise.
That's MY prediction. My major concern all along has been... "Can our passing game prevent teams from stacking the box?" I still don't have a feel for that. The passing game doesn't have to be great... just "good enough" to make stacking the box too risky to do.
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:42 pm
by Deadskins
Countertrey wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:RedskinsRule56 wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:I know everyone is concerned about our QB situation. Don't be. We will be winning games this year by running the ball. Expect a heavy dose of running Sunday.
Every NFL Coach thinks this, none of them think Grossman can beat them, and especially not with the talent around him to throw to. The Giants and every other team is going to stack the box with 8 or 9 in it and make Rex beat them. FYI Tim Hightower has never proven himself to be a durable every down back in this league, no one knows if he can handle a heavy work load. Plus he doesn't exactly hold onto the football very well, (i.e.)he has fumbling issues.
It takes a few PA plays to get teams to stop stacking the box. We will run, lots of running. That is my prediction. I'm sure coaches knew this, however coaches also knew Green Bay were going to throw all the time. I also don't think at this point NY can afford to stack the box.
I disagree... If I'm playing Washington, I have seen a very disciplined and effective run game, that bloodied the noses of two very stout run defenses in preseason, but a considerably less efficient pass game. I will hedge on the side of stopping the run, and forcing Washington to try to MAKE ME defend the pass... in other words, I'm stacking the box until forced to do otherwise.
That's MY prediction. My major concern all along has been... "Can our passing game prevent teams from stacking the box?" I still don't have a feel for that. The passing game doesn't have to be great... just "good enough" to make stacking the box too risky to do.
That's where the PA comes in.
Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:43 pm
by Skeletor
Who wrote this? Is this from someone with NFL Experience? or just couch potato wanna-be? would like to see the source or a link
Inside breaking routes. That’s where Rex is at his best. But keep it simple. Run the dig (square-in), slant, Hi-Lo crossers, the option route, curl, etc. Short to intermediate throws that break back to the middle of the field. No need to see Grossman trying to throw the deep out.
Isn't this the type of route that Grossman threw his preseason pick on?
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:01 am
by FanofallthatisGibbs
Countertrey wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:RedskinsRule56 wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:I know everyone is concerned about our QB situation. Don't be. We will be winning games this year by running the ball. Expect a heavy dose of running Sunday.
Every NFL Coach thinks this, none of them think Grossman can beat them, and especially not with the talent around him to throw to. The Giants and every other team is going to stack the box with 8 or 9 in it and make Rex beat them. FYI Tim Hightower has never proven himself to be a durable every down back in this league, no one knows if he can handle a heavy work load. Plus he doesn't exactly hold onto the football very well, (i.e.)he has fumbling issues.
It takes a few PA plays to get teams to stop stacking the box. We will run, lots of running. That is my prediction. I'm sure coaches knew this, however coaches also knew Green Bay were going to throw all the time. I also don't think at this point NY can afford to stack the box.
I disagree... If I'm playing Washington, I have seen a very disciplined and effective run game, that bloodied the noses of two very stout run defenses in preseason, but a considerably less efficient pass game. I will hedge on the side of stopping the run, and forcing Washington to try to MAKE ME defend the pass... in other words, I'm stacking the box until forced to do otherwise.
That's MY prediction. My major concern all along has been... "Can our passing game prevent teams from stacking the box?" I still don't have a feel for that. The passing game doesn't have to be great... just "good enough" to make stacking the box too risky to do.
I just don't know if Mike & Kyle will be able to commit to running the ball. I know Mike always had great running teams in Denver, but his style together with Kyle's as the OC, nothing really tells me that they will commit (25-30 carries) to the run game. If we do, we should have an opportunity to win. If our coaches "force the pass" it could be a long day.
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:08 am
by KazooSkinsFan
FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:I just don't know if Mike & Kyle will be able to commit to running the ball. I know Mike always had great running teams in Denver, but his style together with Kyle's as the OC, nothing really tells me that they will commit (25-30 carries) to the run game. If we do, we should have an opportunity to win. If our coaches "force the pass" it could be a long day.
I think we'll have more runs then pass attempts
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:30 am
by SkinsJock
We are going to do whatever it takes - this is going to be about the 'now', NOT what happened last year or what happened with other franchises OR what happened during the pre season
We are going to see a VERY determined effort from our guys to win this game
AND it is only THIS game, THIS week, all season long
we are not a great offense or defense yet but the process has started
We start off our season with a win AND it's against the giants
GO REDSKINS - BEAT THE GIANTS
We are still most likely going 8-8 or 9-7 at best
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:25 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
SkinsJock wrote:BEAT THE GIANTS
Dude, real Redskin fans are rooting for the Giants.
Didn't you get the memo?
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:25 pm
by DarthMonk
Countertrey wrote:That's MY prediction. My major concern all along has been... "Can our passing game prevent teams from stacking the box?" I still don't have a feel for that. The passing game doesn't have to be great... just "good enough" to make stacking the box too risky to do.
This is it. It makes what Portis did in Gibbs' first year VERY impreesive - he got all his yards the "hard way" because we could not make defenses honor our passing game.
DarthMonk
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:52 pm
by SkinsJock
KazooSkinsFan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:BEAT THE GIANTS
Dude, real Redskin fans are rooting for the Giants.
Didn't you get the memo?
sorry Kaz - can you check my email account for me? the 'staff' is a little busy & you seem to have a lot of time
RR56 was tinkering with things here and I'm pretty sure I've been slammed
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:21 pm
by Redskin in Canada
CanesSkins26 wrote:Teams are going to be stacking the box against us until the passing game is able to make plays consistently down the field.
Countertrey wrote:I disagree... If I'm playing Washington, I have seen a very disciplined and effective run game, that bloodied the noses of two very stout run defenses in preseason, but a considerably less efficient pass game. I will hedge on the side of stopping the run, and forcing Washington to try to MAKE ME defend the pass... in other words, I'm stacking the box until forced to do otherwise.
Amen brothers.
Could not put it better myself.
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:33 pm
by redskinz4ever
with the oline playing well and their secondary having ?? along with osi being out i say open the playbook and lets see what we can do.but i think the more we see of hightower the better.dont make grossman play from behind.