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Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:11 pm**

JasonLaCanfora Jason
Rex Grossman will start for the Redskins on Sunday. Decision was made over the weekend. Full story upcoming on NFL.com

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:12 pm**

Rich_Tandler Rich Tandler
The word from JLC. RT @JasonLaCanfora: Rex Grossman will start for the Redskins on Sunday. Decision was made over the weekend.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:12 pm**

Beat you to it by a minute haha

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:19 pm**

I noticed.. good work.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:33 pm**

Over/Under 3 Turnovers for Rex vs the Giants.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:36 pm**

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Over/Under 3 Turnovers for Rex vs the Giants.

Easily under. The Giants secondary is in shambles with all their injuries.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:44 pm**

Well, that shoots major holes in my confidence going into Sunday's game.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:44 pm**

I like Beck and I like his upside, but Grossman deserved the start based on his preseason performance since they were said to be even in practice.

We all know he has his reputation, but who knows, another year in this offense may have been what Rex needs to be more comfortable and make better seasons.

The O line needs to step up and provide that running game and pass protection.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:45 pm**

Well, that just shoots major holes in my confidence of a Win on Sunday.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:53 pm**

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Well, that just shoots major holes in my confidence of a Win on Sunday.

Take a look at lasts year's Giant's game at the end of the season. Rex played well enough to win. He played a lot better than McNabb in game one against the Giants.

In preseason, with the first team, Rex looked like he can manage this O well. You might want to keep adding that it was preseason, but would you have rather seen him do poorly against the "vanilla" defenses?

Against the Bucs, Beck can be forgiven for having a bad game, but he seemed to be pressing too much. That end zone INT was atrocious and can't be blamed on anyone but himself throwing off his back foot. Beck clearly needs more seasoning, but his seasoning should not come as a starter in game one.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:03 pm**

Does anyone think that Beck might see a little action in the game to run certain plays like those bootlegs?

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:04 pm**

Red_One43 wrote:Take a look at lasts year's Giant's game at the end of the season. Rex played well enough to win. He played a lot better than McNabb in game one against the Giants.

In preseason, with the first team, Rex looked like he can manage this O well. You might want to keep adding that it was preseason, but would you have rather seen him do poorly against the "vanilla" defenses?

Against the Bucs, Beck can be forgiven for having a bad game, but he seemed to be pressing too much. That end zone INT was atrocious and can't be blamed on anyone but himself throwing off his back foot. Beck clearly needs more seasoning, but his seasoning should not come as a starter in game one.

Personally, I don't think either one of them is an NFL caliber starter for a playoff team. Then again I don't expect this to be a playoff team this year. I hope they are, and definitely believe they CAN be better than they were last year, but I do not forsee this team winning more than half of their games, at most.

Having said that, I believe that John Beck has much greater "upside" than Rex Grossman. We keep hearing that Shannahan's offense requires a QB with some foot speed and athleticism. Rex Grossman is one of very few professional athletes that I'd compete in a footrace/agility test against. He doesn't even seem to be able to get out of his own way much of the time.

All I can think is that we're going to see a "three yards and a cloud of dust" offense on Sunday, and that scares me significantly. I can't believe that either Shannahan, nevermind BOTH think that Rex Grossman is capable of running this offense effectively.

With New York's depleted secondary there will be a thought of trying to exploit that as an advantage.... right up until the second time Sexy Rexy drills a third string DB wearing royal blue right between the numbers for an INT. At that point, we'll probably be beyond the point of no return.

I'm not saying Beck would come out and destroy the Giants, but I would feel a lot more confident in his ability to run this offense than in Grossman's. Of course I'm sitting at home and the Shannahans are running the show (at least for now).

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:24 pm**

Red_One43 wrote:Does anyone think that Beck might see a little action in the game to run certain plays like those bootlegs?

No. Unless Rex plays terribly he should be the guy if he has been named the starter. Nothing good comes from switching qb's in and out. This isn't college football.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:26 pm**

Red_One43 wrote:
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Well, that just shoots major holes in my confidence of a Win on Sunday.

Take a look at lasts year's Giant's game at the end of the season. Rex played well enough to win. He played a lot better than McNabb in game one against the Giants.

In preseason, with the first team, Rex looked like he can manage this O well. You might want to keep adding that it was preseason, but would you have rather seen him do poorly against the "vanilla" defenses?

Against the Bucs, Beck can be forgiven for having a bad game, but he seemed to be pressing too much. That end zone INT was atrocious and can't be blamed on anyone but himself throwing off his back foot. Beck clearly needs more seasoning, but his seasoning should not come as a starter in game one.

Beck is 30 years old and is in his 5th year in the NFL. The time for "seasoning" has long passed.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:27 pm**

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Take a look at lasts year's Giant's game at the end of the season. Rex played well enough to win. He played a lot better than McNabb in game one against the Giants.

In preseason, with the first team, Rex looked like he can manage this O well. You might want to keep adding that it was preseason, but would you have rather seen him do poorly against the "vanilla" defenses?

Against the Bucs, Beck can be forgiven for having a bad game, but he seemed to be pressing too much. That end zone INT was atrocious and can't be blamed on anyone but himself throwing off his back foot. Beck clearly needs more seasoning, but his seasoning should not come as a starter in game one.

Personally, I don't think either one of them is an NFL caliber starter for a playoff team. Then again I don't expect this to be a playoff team this year. I hope they are, and definitely believe they CAN be better than they were last year, but I do not forsee this team winning more than half of their games, at most.

Last year's team won 6 games and of the 10 that they lost, they were by 4 points or less with a 31st ranked D and a QB who refused to run the offense as it was designed. Why can't a team with a QB, who played as well as the last year's more talented QB and D which is clearly better than last year win more games this year? Agree that play-offs would be a bonus this year.

Having said that, I believe that John Beck has much greater "upside" than Rex Grossman. We keep hearing that Shannahan's offense requires a QB with some foot speed and athleticism. Rex Grossman is one of very few professional athletes that I'd compete in a footrace/agility test against. He doesn't even seem to be able to get out of his own way much of the time.

Agree that Beck has more upside and that Rex can be clumbsy and I add make bad decisions, but based on the mistakes that Beck is personally responsible for in the Buc game, he looks like he needs more seaosning to start an important opening game.

All I can think is that we're going to see a "three yards and a cloud of dust" offense on Sunday, and that scares me significantly. I can't believe that either Shannahan, nevermind BOTH think that Rex Grossman is capable of running this offense effectively.

If all we get is three yard's and a cloud of dust each time we run the ball, it won't matter who is starting. It is crucial that we have a running game.

With New York's depleted secondary there will be a thought of trying to exploit that as an advantage.... right up until the second time Sexy Rexy drills a third string DB wearing royal blue right between the numbers for an INT. At that point, we'll probably be beyond the point of no return.

He ceratinly did it in last year's starts against Dallas and Giant's but we were still in the game. Manning threw his typical INT in that Giants game too. McNabb made his bonehead INTs last year - Bears Pick 6, Colts, Giants game - minimize mistakes (doubt if Rex eliminates them - few QBs do, if any, and D don't give up the Big play and Gano make the FG.

I'm not saying Beck would come out and destroy the Giants, but I would feel a lot more confident in his ability to run this offense than in Grossman's. Of course I'm sitting at home and the Shannahans are running the show (at least for now).

What did you see in Grossman's first team play agains the Steelers and Ravens that is leading you to believe that he can't run this offense well enough to win. He proved he could in last year's Giant game. Grossman as is a type of QB that when he is on, he is like an All-Pro - see secdond half of Dallas game last year.

I do get you in the fact that when Grossman is off, he's turr-ble - just turr-ble.

But the fact, as Shanny said, both QBs can manage this offense. Beck has the better tools but so did McNabb, but you have to make the right decisions and make them quickly in this O. Too many times, Beck and McNabb stared down their receivers - Grossman doesn't do this elementary QB error.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:31 pm**

No way is this a ploy? I can see Rex pulling a groin during practice and a game time decision- Beck starts

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:33 pm**

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Well, that just shoots major holes in my confidence of a Win on Sunday.

Take a look at lasts year's Giant's game at the end of the season. Rex played well enough to win. He played a lot better than McNabb in game one against the Giants.

In preseason, with the first team, Rex looked like he can manage this O well. You might want to keep adding that it was preseason, but would you have rather seen him do poorly against the "vanilla" defenses?

Against the Bucs, Beck can be forgiven for having a bad game, but he seemed to be pressing too much. That end zone INT was atrocious and can't be blamed on anyone but himself throwing off his back foot. Beck clearly needs more seasoning, but his seasoning should not come as a starter in game one.

Beck is 30 years old and is in his 5th year in the NFL. The time for "seasoning" has long passed.

Seasoning comes with playing and BecK has yet to play a down in a regular season game in Kyle's offense. He needs the chance to play, but he was given the chance to start the home opener and he didn't produce. I do expect him to be inserted in games to run specific plays.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:39 pm**

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Does anyone think that Beck might see a little action in the game to run certain plays like those bootlegs?

No. Unless Rex plays terribly he should be the guy if he has been named the starter. Nothing good comes from switching qb's in and out. This isn't college football.

Ok, you added the "in and out." The words were "inserted into the game to run certain plays like bootlegs."

Now, as far as what is or isn't college football, surely you have seen NFL QBs inserted to run the wildcat or QBs inserted because they were called "Slash" and could run certain plays that he starter couldn't run as well or at all. The NFL is a game of packages.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:45 pm**

I'll bet that either Grossman or Beck is better than whoever is starting for the Colts. The Colts are underdogs because they won't have Manning ready. The downside of great quarterbacks is they can do more with less and can almost will their team to win. But when they can't play, the team reverts to average or below average depending on the team. If Grossman gets hurt there won't be any drop-off of play with Beck because the Redskins have addressed glaring needs in other areas, though they are not finished in that department.

If I had to choose between interchangeable average quarterbacks versus one hurt older great quarterback who is the team and the team can't win without him , I'd choose the Redskins situation. Besides, you saw the Redskins defense in preseason. Maybe Eli Manning will be needing a neck brace soon too.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:45 pm**

Red_One43 wrote:Last year's team won 6 games and of the 10 that they lost, they were by 4 points or less with a 31st ranked D and a QB who refused to run the offense as it was designed. Why can't a team with a QB, who played as well as the last year's more talented QB and D which is clearly better than last year win more games this year? Agree that play-offs would be a bonus this year.

I'm not much of a believer in "potential". That's what this team has a lot of right now. They have the potential to be a much better defense. They have the potential to be a slightly better offense. I'm still not sold on Gano as a kicker. Until I can see them do it week-in and week-out against regular season competition I'm going to be more than a little "reserved" in my praise and expectations.

Red_One43 wrote:Agree that Beck has more upside and that Rex can be clumbsy and I add make bad decisions, but based on the mistakes that Beck is personally responsible for in the Buc game, he looks like he needs more seaosning to start an important opening game.

In my mind this decision tells me that Shannahan does NOT believe that Beck is the long-term answer at QB for this team. If he did, then Beck should be out there on Sunday to get the experience. We've both agreed that the playoffs are not a given by any stretch of the imagination. What sort of kick in the nuts does it give Beck that Grossman is named the starter? You can now take that inexperience and trump it with insecurity if he does end up getting a shot later this season.

Red_One43 wrote:If all we get is three yard's and a cloud of dust each time we run the ball, it won't matter who is starting. It is crucial that we have a running game.

True, but we can't be one-dimensional, and the naming of Grossman as the starter seems to indicate to me that we're going to rely HEAVILY on the running game. IF that doesn't work, are we really confident and comfortable that Rex Grossman can win the game for us with his arm?

Red_One43 wrote:He ceratinly did it in last year's starts against Dallas and Giant's but we were still in the game. Manning threw his typical INT in that Giants game too. McNabb made his bonehead INTs last year - Bears Pick 6, Colts, Giants game - minimize mistakes (doubt if Rex eliminates them - few QBs do, if any, and D don't give up the Big play and Gano make the FG.

You've got three separate suggestions there that I'm somewhat skeptical of.... Rex minimizing mistakes, the D not giving up a big play, and Gano hitting a clutch kick. Hopefully Rex comes out and proves me completely wrong. I'm just not likely to put any money down on that happening.

Red_One43 wrote:What did you see in Grossman's first team play agains the Steelers and Ravens that is leading you to believe that he can't run this offense well enough to win. He proved he could in last year's Giant game. Grossman as is a type of QB that when he is on, he is like an All-Pro - see secdond half of Dallas game last year.

What concerns me the most is his lack of mobility and his oft-questioned decision making (especially when he's on the move). This offense is predicated on moving the QB. Beck is no Elway, but he does seem to have a much better and more fluid movement than Grossman does.

Red_One43 wrote:I do get you in the fact that when Grossman is off, he's turr-ble - just turr-ble.

Yes. In my mind (I'm a pessimist), he's a much greater liability than he is an asset.

Red_One43 wrote:But the fact, as Shanny said, both QBs can manage this offense. Beck has the better tools but so did McNabb, but you have to make the right decisions and make them quickly in this O. Too many times, Beck and McNabb stared down their receivers - Grossman doesn't do this elementary QB error.

What's he going to say.... "We've got one QB who can't get out of his own way?" Grossman doesn't make that error. Instead, once he's chosen his target he throws the ball directly between the numbers on the jersey of the closest defender to that receiver. Turnovers DRIVE ME NUTS!!! (short trip, I know).

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:47 pm**

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Well, that just shoots major holes in my confidence of a Win on Sunday.

I trust Rex much more than I trust Beck.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:53 pm**

Damn, This really sucks, I have no confidence in Grossman at all

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:02 pm**

polywog wrote:I trust Rex much more than I trust Beck.

Respectfully of your opinion, I'm on the exact opposite side of the coin. I was fairly confident of a Redskins victory on Sunday until I saw this news today. It drained most of the color out of my face for a moment, which is quite a task considering I have a full facial birthmark.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:06 pm**

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Last year's team won 6 games and of the 10 that they lost, they were by 4 points or less with a 31st ranked D and a QB who refused to run the offense as it was designed. Why can't a team with a QB, who played as well as the last year's more talented QB and D which is clearly better than last year win more games this year? Agree that play-offs would be a bonus this year.

In my mind this decision tells me that Shannahan does NOT believe that Beck is the long-term answer at QB for this team. If he did, then Beck should be out there on Sunday to get the experience. We've both agreed that the playoffs are not a given by any stretch of the imagination. What sort of kick in the nuts does it give Beck that Grossman is named the starter? You can now take that inexperience and trump it with insecurity if he does end up getting a shot later this season.

I thought the long range plan was Beck so even if Grossman is the better choice to start the season, you go with Beck for the long run and watch him get better with each game. I don't think that this necessarily giving up on Beck as the long term decision, Grossman out played him - not by much, but he did and he appears to be the best bet to win an opening game against a division opponent. I can't find fault in going with Grossman under the conditions. If you say it is an open competition and you want you players to believe in you, you have to go with the guy who "won" the competition.

What's he going to say.... "We've got one QB who can't get out of his own way?" Grossman doesn't make that error. Instead, once he's chosen his target he throws the ball directly between the numbers on the jersey of the closest defender to that receiver. Turnovers DRIVE ME NUTS!!! (short trip, I know).

What's he going to say? He could have easily said that Grossman or Beck was the starter from the get go and moved on. He said that he would put his reputation on both guys. That is saying more than both guys can manage the offense.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:16 pm**

I don't get all the doom and gloom. Its not like Beck has proven to be way better than Grossman.

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