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These are Mike Shanahan’s Redskins now
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:57 am
by 1niksder
Tandler: Only 15 pre-Shanahan Redskins left
The Redskins reduced their roster to the league-mandated maximum of 53 players on Saturday. On that roster there are only 15 players who were on the team when Shanahan arrived.
Doing the math, the 38 players who have arrived in the last 20 months represent a turnover of 72 percent. Talk about an extreme makeover.
If you look deeper into the remaining players you find that they have a strong home-grown flavor. Of the 15, the Redskins drafted nine (Chris Cooley, Reed Doughty, Kedric Golston, Rocky McIntosh, LaRon Landry, Fred Davis, Rob Jackson, Kevin Barnes and Brian Orakpo) and three more played their first NFL snaps in Washington (Mike Sellers, Lorenzo Alexander, and Byron Westbrook).
Santana Moss was acquired in a trade with the Jets. That means that from the Cerrato and Snyder era (and you can throw Joe Gibbs II in there), two free agents remain. London Fletcher came aboard in 2006 and DeAngelo Hall signed a short-term deal with the Redskins after the Raiders released him in the middle of the 2008 season. Hall signed a long-term deal the next offseason.
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:07 am
by tribeofjudah
Hip Hip Hooray.....wait, no....wrong coach... but still:
Hil Hip Hooray....!!!
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:26 am
by Bob 0119
The 15 players who remain represent nearly 70% of the 22 starters...
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:33 am
by KazooSkinsFan
Bob 0119 wrote:The 15 players who remain represent nearly 70% of the 22 starters...
True, but they weren't all starters before
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:08 pm
by Bob 0119
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Bob 0119 wrote:The 15 players who remain represent nearly 70% of the 22 starters...
True, but they weren't all starters before
Before Shanahan? Sure they were. Fred Davis being the only exception that I see.
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:18 pm
by 1niksder
Bob 0119 wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:Bob 0119 wrote:The 15 players who remain represent nearly 70% of the 22 starters...
True, but they weren't all starters before
Before Shanahan? Sure they were. Fred Davis being the only exception that I see.
Reed Doughty, Kedric Golston, Fred Davis, Rob Jackson, Kevin Barnes, Lorenzo Alexander, and Byron Westbrook were non-starters
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:18 pm
by yupchagee
Bob 0119 wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:Bob 0119 wrote:The 15 players who remain represent nearly 70% of the 22 starters...
True, but they weren't all starters before
Before Shanahan? Sure they were. Fred Davis being the only exception that I see.
Wasn'y Monty on the team pre Shanny?
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:59 pm
by redskinz4ever
shanny has begun to put a stamp on this team we are begining to resemble an organization that has finally taken some baby steps in the right direction
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:12 pm
by Deadskins
1niksder wrote:Bob 0119 wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:
True, but they weren't all starters before
Before Shanahan? Sure they were. Fred Davis being the only exception that I see.
Reed Doughty, Kedric Golston, Fred Davis, Rob Jackson, Kevin Barnes, Lorenzo Alexander, and Byron Westbrook were non-starters
Several of those guys
have started games for us. But I know what you are saying.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:03 am
by SkinsJock
As someone pointed out recently the term re-building implies there was something in place to build on - we did not have anything
this franchise has undergone a transformation - very good players have been replaced by players that might not be as talented but will give the Redskins a better chance at success
players that have stayed on have COMPLETELY bought into the Shanaplan or they would not be here
This IS Mike's team and it will continue to undergo changes until we have a consistently competitive product on the field
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:17 am
by crazyhorse1
SkinsJock wrote:As someone pointed out recently the term re-building implies there was something in place to build on - we did not have anything
this franchise has undergone a transformation - very good players have been replaced by players that might not be as talented but will give the Redskins a better chance at success
players that have stayed on have COMPLETELY bought into the Shanaplan or they would not be here
This IS Mike's team and it will continue to undergo changes until we have a consistently competitive product on the field
What nonsense. We had plenty to build on: Cooley, Moss, Armstrong, Banks, Williams, Fletcher, Orakpo, Landry, etc. Also, our very good players have not been replaced. We still have them. We haven't replaced very good players with less talented players; we have replaced inferior players with more talented players. Where do you get your mythical nonsense? Also, how do you know that our former and present players have COMPLETELY bought into the Shanaplan, which certainly doesn't deserve a clever name yet? Further, please be aware that our franchise is transformed every season with the addition and subtraction of players and that our team will continue to be transformed every year even when we have a consistently competitive product on the field.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:27 am
by SkinsJock
crazyhorse1 wrote:SkinsJock wrote:As someone pointed out recently the term re-building implies there was something in place to build on - we did not have anything
this franchise has undergone a transformation - very good players have been replaced by players that might not be as talented but will give the Redskins a better chance at success
players that have stayed on have COMPLETELY bought into the Shanaplan or they would not be here
This IS Mike's team and it will continue to undergo changes until we have a consistently competitive product on the field
What nonsense. We had plenty to build on: Cooley, Moss, Armstrong, Banks, Williams, Fletcher, Orakpo, Landry, etc. Also, our very good players have not been replaced. We still have them. We haven't replaced very good players with less talented players; we have replaced inferior players with more talented players. Where do you get your mythical nonsense? Also, how do you know that our former and present players have COMPLETELY bought into the Shanaplan, which certainly doesn't deserve a clever name yet? Further, please be aware that our franchise is transformed every season with the addition and subtraction of players and that our team will continue to be transformed every year even when we have a consistently competitive product on the field.
anyone that is here is playing and practicing the way Mike wants and DEMANDS they do - otherwise they would not be here
ALL of these players have "bought into" the Shanaplan - Mike does not tolerate anything less
Mike is an ass but he's our HC and he's making this team and these players into what he wants NOT what ANY of them want
This IS Mike's team - and the players have to accept that OR they are gone
Re: These are Mike Shanahan’s Redskins now
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:52 pm
by Redskins_Fanatic
Good. So IF this team now fails, we won't be hearing anything about the Cerrato/Snyder/Zorn hangover effect, right? It's all on Mike to now either get the job done or get the hell out of town, right?
Re: These are Mike Shanahan’s Redskins now
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:22 pm
by SkinsJock
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
Good. So IF this team now fails, we won't be hearing anything about the Cerrato/Snyder/Zorn hangover effect, right? It's all on Mike to now either get the job done or get the hell out of town, right?
That's right - Mike gets to show that the 'plan' works or he's gone
that's the good news
the bad 'news' for any ANTI Redskins' fan is that he gets 2 more seasons = gotta love it
Mike's in charge here - and he's changing things up
Re: These are Mike Shanahan’s Redskins now
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:28 pm
by chiefhog44
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
Good. So IF this team now fails, we won't be hearing anything about the Cerrato/Snyder/Zorn hangover effect, right? It's all on Mike to now either get the job done or get the hell out of town, right?
I would say yes if given the full amount of time he needs, which he demanded from Snyder as being 5 years. My judgement will occur after year three. This is still a team that has a Cerrato hangover. We're only one season removed from him. Hell, we lost out on two or three draft years because of that fool.
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:05 am
by crazyhorse1
SkinsJock wrote:crazyhorse1 wrote:SkinsJock wrote:As someone pointed out recently the term re-building implies there was something in place to build on - we did not have anything
this franchise has undergone a transformation - very good players have been replaced by players that might not be as talented but will give the Redskins a better chance at success
players that have stayed on have COMPLETELY bought into the Shanaplan or they would not be here
This IS Mike's team and it will continue to undergo changes until we have a consistently competitive product on the field
What nonsense. We had plenty to build on: Cooley, Moss, Armstrong, Banks, Williams, Fletcher, Orakpo, Landry, etc. Also, our very good players have not been replaced. We still have them. We haven't replaced very good players with less talented players; we have replaced inferior players with more talented players. Where do you get your mythical nonsense? Also, how do you know that our former and present players have COMPLETELY bought into the Shanaplan, which certainly doesn't deserve a clever name yet? Further, please be aware that our franchise is transformed every season with the addition and subtraction of players and that our team will continue to be transformed every year even when we have a consistently competitive product on the field.
anyone that is here is playing and practicing the way Mike wants and DEMANDS they do - otherwise they would not be here
ALL of these players have "bought into" the Shanaplan - Mike does not tolerate anything less
Mike is an ass but he's our HC and he's making this team and these players into what he wants NOT what ANY of them want
This IS Mike's team - and the players have to accept that OR they are gone
I know what your assertions are. Do you have any evidence for any of them?
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:09 am
by yupchagee
Bob 0119 wrote:The 15 players who remain represent nearly 70% of the 22 starters...
I only count 8 starters who were with us pre Shanny:
Fletch
Rocky
Orakpo
Hall
Landry
Monty
Cooley
Moss
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:38 am
by RedskinsRule56
Tanahan is a washed up coach.
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:53 am
by KazooSkinsFan
RedskinsRule56 wrote:Tanahan is a washed up coach.
Wow, he must have been amazing before then. He's really brought us back a long way in a short period of time
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:43 am
by SkinsJock
crazyhorse1 wrote:SkinsJock wrote:This IS Mike's team - and the players have to accept that OR they are gone
I know what your assertions are. Do you have any evidence for any of them?
Watch the next few games - they should be on a TV near you
You will see players executing & playing DIFFERENTLY - with a DIFFERENT attitude & desire than before
It's a fact that some of these players were starting before Mike came in - they were NOT playing like you will see in the next few games
Mike has changed EVERYTHING here and while he needs more time - ALL of these players (& coaches) have "bought into" THAT
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:55 am
by SkinsJock
I am NOT a Mike Shanahan fan - he's NOT a fan or media or player friendly type - PLUS he has a HUGE ego
He's just what this franchise needed to COMPLETELY change the game planning & player preparation/practicing to properly prepare to play the NFL game
many criticized his player moves - his insistence on CHANGING everything, going to a 3-4 defense without the players to do it, bringing in McNabb & FORCING him to play the way that he & Kyle wanted him to, treating the players with ZERO respect
this guy is driven to succeed - NOBODY will get in his way, not even Kyle
I do NOT like Mike Shanahan - he's just what we (& our idiot owner) needed
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:20 am
by Deadskins
SkinsJock wrote:NOBODY will get in his way, not even Kyle
I think Kyle has already gotten in his way many times.
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:34 am
by SkinsJock
Mike's in charge here NOT Kyle - Kyle gets in Mikes way ONLY because that is what Mike wants
Mike would love for Kyle to become the HC here - that ONLY happens if Kyle earns it
Mike is the HC & has a lot of 'power' - Dan Snyder is still the owner
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:42 am
by Deadskins
SkinsJock wrote:Mike's in charge here NOT Kyle - Kyle gets in Mikes way ONLY because that is what Mike wants
Mike would love for Kyle to become the HC here - that ONLY happens if Kyle earns it
Mike is the HC & has a lot of 'power' - Dan Snyder is still the owner
Really? Mike didn't buy the team? Are you sure?
I think we have already seen several instances where Kyle's wishes were taken into account far more than any other OC's would have been.
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:10 am
by SkinsJock
- nice try though