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Hungry, high-character guys, motivated. Everything we've been sensing from this team in preseason.

Though, if I'm honest, D Hall remains one of the players whose contract (and perhaps even starting role) is based to a degree on the star power he brought with him. He had 6 INTs last year but not very good coverage rates. Although I hate to exercise caution about a guy who single-handedly won us two games a year ago, I'm concerned that he's going to regress to the mean on turnovers this year while his coverage continues to be spotty.

But that's the cynic in me. I do think the team's attitude has improved tremendously correlating with the departures of Haynesworth, Rogers, Portis, and McNabb.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... ll-insider

DeAngelo Hall says no star power is no problem for Redskins
By Mike Jones
The Washington Redskins in the last decade have posted a winning record just twice. But there has been no shortage of star power and flashy, big-name free agent signings or trades – until this year.

With Donovan McNabb now in Minnesota, Albert Haynesworth in New England and Clinton Portis still without a team, Coach Mike Shanahan purged the team of the big names and stars.

The most recognizable players still on the roster are DeAngelo Hall, Chris ey, London Fletcher and Brian Orakpo. But none of them are considered to rank among the league’s biggest names.

Washington passed on the chance to sign high-profile players in free agency and instead pursued role players willing to sacrifice for the greater good. Shanahan repeatedly has stressed that this year, the Redskins’ roster comprises hungry, high-character players.

Hall last season recorded six interceptions and earned Pro Bowl MVP honors, but said the Redskins are better off this year despite a lack of big stars. The seventh-year veteran declared that although Washington may not have Pro Bowl players at every position, the roster features solid players at nearly every position.

“Just because people in the media aren’t making them out to be Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or anyone like that doesn’t mean that we don’t have players,” Hall said. “If you go down our roster and you ask opposing teams about guys in this locker room, they’ll definitely say, ‘You’ve got to watch out for this guy, and you’ve got to watch out for this guy. That guy’s a [bull] dog.’ Each individual person brings something different to the table. Do we have a guy that we’re paying $100 million to? No we don’t. But who needs a guy that you’re going to pay $100 million to if he won’t come out onto the field and play?”

Fletcher is team’s vocal leader and captain of the defense. But the Redskins still don’t even know who their quarterback will be.

Hall said this year’s group doesn’t concern itself with who’s team the Redskins are, so to speak.

“It’s the team. The best part about this team is that it’s a team,” said Hall, who doesn’t hesitate speaking up when needed. “The Dallas Mavericks might’ve had Dirk Nowitzki but they played as a team. Different guys stepped up at different times. It wasn’t about one or two guys that were made to lead the franchise to a championship. It was about the whole team working together as a team to get that done.”

Irn-Bru wrote:I hate to exercise caution about a guy who single-handedly won us two games a year ago, I'm concerned that he's going to regress to the mean on turnovers this year while his coverage continues to be spotty.

No doubt with Hall we live by the sword and die by the sword. But as I and others bashed Rogers for drawing more passes and allowing QB's to try to thread a needle because he was zero threat to intercept them, Hall diverts a lot of passes because he's an enormous threat to intercept. He also causes more overthrows and out of bounds throws as well as QB's want to make sure he can't get his hands on the ball. And he's on a good receiver as well. You can't just count passes given up and INTs.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:And he's on a good receiver as well. You can't just count passes given up and INTs.

I look at stats that are a little more involved than that. (You make good points, though.)

See:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a ... stats-2010

and

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/player ... ngelo-hall

I wonder if the effectiveness of DHall's coverage will improve now that we (hopefully) will be pressuring QB's more. Given that he often goes against the best reciever, time is a huge consideration. Given enough time, good recievers get open. He will probably, as you say, live and die by the sword, but Haslett wants takeaways, so I don't expect them to try to change much at his end. QB s on their backside complete a lot fewer passes.

Shutup Hall you blow.

HarleyHog wrote:I wonder if the effectiveness of DHall's coverage will improve now that we (hopefully) will be pressuring QB's more. Given that he often goes against the best reciever, time is a huge consideration. Given enough time, good recievers get open. He will probably, as you say, live and die by the sword, but Haslett wants takeaways, so I don't expect them to try to change much at his end. QB s on their backside complete a lot fewer passes.

With good safeties you can gamble a little at CB. We need Landry to get healthy and back on the field - but not before he's ready.

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Shutup Hall you blow.

Wow, what useful analysis. Very helpful. Great post.***sarcasm, riposte***

Hall's personality gets him a bum rap even with Skins fans. He's not constantly getting torched. He makes plays, causes turnovers, shifts games our way, and even has been tackling better. He's a hard worker, and has been at every team activity, even during the lockout.

If he had the personality of a London Fletcher, nobody would focus on his occassional bad plays.

You just made a big mistake Harley Hog. You want proof Hall blows here you go. Read it and weep.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a ... stats-2010

Bottom 10 Cornerbacks in Success Rate, 2010
Player Team Charted
Targets Yd/Pass Rk Avg. Pass
Distance YAC Rk Success
Rate Rk
Jonathan Wade 2TM 40 9.9 77 15.7 2.7 16 38% 83
DeAngelo Hall WAS 88 10.5 81 10.4 5.8 81 39% 82
Jacob Lacey IND 44 9.5 75 10.3 4.5 69 39% 81
Chris Gamble CAR 41 7.7 50 11.5 4.6 70 39% 80
Fabian Washington BAL 43 10.4 79 11.1 5.9 82 40% 79
Mike Jenkins DAL 80 10.5 80 15.3 4.3 66 40% 78
Richard Marshall CAR 82 7.2 40 9.0 3.2 34 41% 77
Shawntae Spencer SF 67 8.5 62 10.7 2.7 17 42% 76
Charles Tillman CHI 84 8.1 58 10.9 3.6 46 43% 75
Terence Newman DAL 83 9.1 71 13.4 3.4 41 43% 74

In the discussion thread for Wednesday's article, someone asked me why I created a minimum of 40 passes when the best cornerbacks are often the guys that opponents won't throw at. This is the reason why. Even with a minimum of 40 passes, you can see the effect of small sample size, as four of the bottom five guys were near 40 passes. Of course, you'll have more of these guys at the bottom than you will at the top, because some of these players had fewer passes because teams pulled them out of the starting lineup. Fabian Washington is a good example, starting the first eight games for Baltimore and then mostly disappearing from the field because he was so horrible in the first half of the season.

This list also shows you just how ridiculous it was to send DeAngelo Hall to the Pro Bowl. Is he really the second- or third-worst starting cornerback in the league? No, his numbers were better than this in past seasons. But he's certainly not one of the best cornerbacks in the league, even after you consider all his interceptions.

The other thing we see on this list was the complete implosion of the Dallas secondary this season. There were some injury issues, but Mike Jenkins and Terence Newman were horrible all season. There have been reports this offseason that the Cowboys may cut Newman, but they can't really cut Jenkins, who is still young and was very good in 2009. They just need to figure out what the hell happened to him last year.

Bottom 10 Cornerbacks in Yards per Pass, 2010
Player Team Charted
Targets Yd/Pass Rk Avg. Pass
Distance YAC Rk Success
Rate Rk
Kareem Jackson HOU 73 11.1 83 15.3 6.0 83 47% 67
Alphonso Smith DET 47 10.6 82 14.4 4.8 76 47% 66
DeAngelo Hall WAS 88 10.5 81 10.4 5.8 81 39% 82
Mike Jenkins DAL 80 10.5 80 15.3 4.3 66 40% 78
Fabian Washington BAL 43 10.4 79 11.1 5.9 82 40% 79
Rashean Mathis JAC 64 10.1 78 14.1 4.9 79 44% 72
Jonathan Wade 2TM 40 9.9 77 15.7 2.7 16 38% 83
Eric Wright CLE 53 9.8 76 12.5 4.6 71 43% 73
Jacob Lacey IND 44 9.5 75 10.3 4.5 69 39% 81
Jason Allen 2TM 58 9.3 74 16.7 3.4 39 52% 46

Jason Allen actually had his best season in 2010, especially after Miami released him and Houston picked him up. His high yards per pass figure comes from just a handful of plays, mostly by Braylon Edwards. For some reason, Allen was dominated by Edwards, who had receptions of 67, 42, and 27 yards against Allen in two games (one with Miami, one with Houston).

One last table:
Bottom 10 Cornerbacks in YAC Allowed, 2010
Player Team Charted
Targets Yd/Pass Rk Avg. Pass
Distance YAC Rk Success
Rate Rk
Kareem Jackson HOU 73 11.1 83 15.3 6.0 83 47% 67
Fabian Washington BAL 43 10.4 79 11.1 5.9 82 40% 79
DeAngelo Hall WAS 88 10.5 81 10.4 5.8 81 39% 82
Leon Hall CIN 65 8.7 69 14.8 5.2 80 55% 27
Rashean Mathis JAC 64 10.1 78 14.1 4.9 79 44% 72
Vontae Davis MIA 66 7.9 53 10.8 4.9 78 47% 65
Stanford Routt OAK 92 5.7 13 15.1 4.9 77 66% 3
Alphonso Smith DET 47 10.6 82 14.4 4.8 76 47% 66
Tracy Porter NO 50 7.5 46 10.5 4.7 75 54% 33
Darrelle Revis NYJ 57 5.6 11 16.5 4.7 74 70% 1

Complete numbers, updated to account for plays with double coverage, will be in Football Outsiders Almanac 2011 this July (or whenever the owners and players decide to make nice).[url][/url]

RedskinsRule56 wrote:You just made a big mistake Harley Hog. You want proof Hall blows here you go. Read it and weep.

Posting links that Irn-Bru already posted does not invalidate Harley's criticism of your previous post.

Hall blows end of story.

Deadskins I did not see that Irn-Bru already posted that link.

I know I haven't been on this site long but RedskinsRule56 I haven't seen you type anything positive yet. I know you've been a member since 2004 but I just don't understand why are you so negative? Even realistic people have a positive outlook on things, it seems like you're not even trying.

TroySantana wrote:I know I haven't been on this site long but RedskinsRule56 I haven't seen you type anything positive yet. I know you've been a member since 2004 but I just don't understand why are you so negative? Even realistic people have a positive outlook on things, it seems like you're not even trying.

Now that's pretty damn funny that a new guy posted that!!!

Man it's so amazing to me LPJ, how can you go through a whole season being so negative?

I am realistic, there are not many positive things to say.

RedskinsRule56 wrote:I am realistic, there are not many positive things to say.

A true fan can find something to be positive about. It appears you're positive about being negative.

I am positive about getting Andrew Luck and the future being much brighter because of it.

TroySantana wrote:

RedskinsRule56 wrote:I am realistic, there are not many positive things to say.

A true fan can find something to be positive about. It appears you're positive about being negative.

Dude, you're going to give yourself a headache trying to rationalize with this guy... betta yuh just leave him alone in his own world. You know that old saying about arguing with a fool and from a distance you can't tell who's who? or something like that? LOL.. that's what will happen to you!

LPJ your next poll should be would you rather the Redskins draft
Andrew Luck
Matt Barkley
Landry Jones
or Nick Foles

RedskinsRule56 wrote:LPJ your next poll should be would rather the Redskins draft
Andrew Luck
Matt Barkley
Landry Jones
or Nick Foles

You don't think that'll be done during the offseason when it matters? Maybe you should root for something like.. gee I don't know.. your so called "favorite football team" to do something good so we don't NEED to draft a qb? nevamind, please don't answer that, you've answered it already.. *da hell am I thinking?*

John Beck sucks and so does Rex Grossman. Neither one of them are franchise QB's, the sooner posters accept that the better.

TroySantana wrote:Man it's so amazing to me LPJ, how can you go through a whole season being so negative?

She's a negatizer!

Why does Hall need to recreate this mess regarding Big Albert? There is no doubt that Big Albert was a boob, but I don't understand why that was necessary?

RedskinsRule56 wrote:I am positive about getting Andrew Luck and the future being much brighter because of it.

RR56, please check your PMs.