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I was a bit skeptical of the receiver situation heading into the year, but it doesn't look half bad so far. I have to eat crow about moss his hands have been impeccable in the preseason, with a dedication to route running as well. Gaffney brings a dimension of toughness and AA is still there for the deep routes. Plus the young guys don't look bad. Pleasant surprise.

very true and a pleasure to watch ...... guys getting open and catching the ball

I done told ya'll that Austin should be in the WR conversations. Well, he had enough of ya'll dissin him so he played up on Thursday - Baller....!!!

tribeofjudah wrote:I done told ya'll that Austin should be in the WR conversations. Well, he had enough of ya'll dissin him so he played up on Thursday - Baller....!!!

What are you talking about?

If we keep 6 WR's, here's my pick:

Moss
AA
Gaffney
Austin
Hankerson
Paul

If they, for some reason keep 7 WR's, I think they could take a flyer at Kelly. I could also see them keeping Kelly and trying to put Paul on the PS but I think he'd get picked up by someone else.

frankcal20 wrote:If we keep 6 WR's, here's my pick:

Moss
AA
Gaffney
Austin
Hankerson
Paul

If they, for some reason keep 7 WR's, I think they could take a flyer at Kelly. I could also see them keeping Kelly and trying to put Paul on the PS but I think he'd get picked up by someone else.

I agree... Paul would not clear waivers... and, despite the understandable doubts expressed by many, I think we would ultimately regret releasing Kelly...

We all know that Kelly has been hampered by one injury after another. But all I keep hearing year after year are coaches & players say how dawg on talented the kid is. Best hands on the team. Throwing target is so much bigger for him vs other players, etc.

If I'm Shanahan, I think that I would take the risk only because I see a higher degree of upside w/ Kelly and in all honesty, Paul would be in-active every week. I also think that a lot of players will be out there free to pick up if we were in need of a WR. But I am not taking anything away from Paul. He's worked his butt off in camp. He's made plays on ST's (returns) and at WR. But I think that Kelly has more upside than Paul does even with the injuries.

Don't forget Brandon Banks. Although he is the returner, he will take a WR slot.

Deadskin - who do you waive for Banks?

I would put Banks on IR until the NFL changes the kickoff rule back to what it was last year. Banks being essentially taken out of the k/o return game makes him lose 40% of his value to the team. His size will not allow him to be a solid contributor at WR. But I like him a lot. Love the speed. Just can't take a hit.

I understand your point trey - this FO has a difficult call with Kelly .. they'll do the right thing

this FO has shown that they WILL keep the players that THEY KNOW will help this franchise
That's good enough for me

If Kelly is let go and goes on to become an 'all world' WR, it just shows that these guys were right to keep him and give him EVERY opportunity to show he could help this franchise

Kelly will likely be gone soon - I wish him well - he's got great hands

I have NO problem with this FO releasing players that don't measure up to the other players at that position
no matter how GREAT those players become elsewhere they would NOT have made it here


this FO's shown that they know what they're doing
The previous FO had no clue about who to keep

frankcal20 wrote:Deadskin - who do you waive for Banks?

I would put Banks on IR until the NFL changes the kickoff rule back to what it was last year. Banks being essentially taken out of the k/o return game makes him lose 40% of his value to the team. His size will not allow him to be a solid contributor at WR. But I like him a lot. Love the speed. Just can't take a hit.

I don't know. Glad I don't have to make the choice. I was just pointing out something that I didn't think had been considered in the conversation so far.

frankcal20 wrote:If we keep 6 WR's, here's my pick:

Moss
AA
Gaffney
Austin
Hankerson
Paul

If they, for some reason keep 7 WR's, I think they could take a flyer at Kelly. I could also see them keeping Kelly and trying to put Paul on the PS but I think he'd get picked up by someone else.

We won't keep 7. Kelley is gone.

frankcal20 wrote:Deadskin - who do you waive for Banks?

I would put Banks on IR until the NFL changes the kickoff rule back to what it was last year. Banks being essentially taken out of the k/o return game makes him lose 40% of his value to the team. His size will not allow him to be a solid contributor at WR. But I like him a lot. Love the speed. Just can't take a hit.

I agree 100% Frank and also love your six picks at receiver. Plus the good thing about putting Banks on the IR is the fact that the NFL might change the rule and have them kicking off from the 30 again. All the coaches and players want it to be that way and they know the risk of injury associated to it and a healthy Banks next year would be awesome. Unless of course Austin or Paul step up and do a good enough job that we wouldn't need him.

I wonder why Stallworth isn't in the conversation. Seasoned, versatile, and seems to run good routes and catch well. I personally would keep him over Paul. That said, I haven't been able to watch any preseason yet.(tonite I get to watch the Ravens broadcast)

Please let us know your thoughts after you watch tonight's game.

I have followed all three games via nflnetwork play by play, so I'm not flying totally blind I know Stallworth didn't do much against his old team, but it seemed he made the most of opportunities in the first two games.

Deadskins wrote:Don't forget Brandon Banks. Although he is the returner, he will take a WR slot.

With the disappearance of kickoffs and a couple of competent PR's on the team, I don't see how they can justify keeping Banks. All the more so considering he's injured.

HarleyHog wrote:I have followed all three games via nflnetwork play by play, so I'm not flying totally blind I know Stallworth didn't do much against his old team, but it seemed he made the most of opportunities in the first two games.

I get what you're saying but as you'll see today, Niles Paul just seems to jump off the screen. They'll credit Armstrong with a catch that Paul makes in the game but you'll see it's #18, not #13. Or maybe that was last week. Can't remember.

Countertrey wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:If we keep 6 WR's, here's my pick:

Moss
AA
Gaffney
Austin
Hankerson
Paul

If they, for some reason keep 7 WR's, I think they could take a flyer at Kelly. I could also see them keeping Kelly and trying to put Paul on the PS but I think he'd get picked up by someone else.

I agree... Paul would not clear waivers... and, despite the understandable doubts expressed by many, I think we would ultimately regret releasing Kelly...

+1

frankcal20 wrote:

HarleyHog wrote:I have followed all three games via nflnetwork play by play, so I'm not flying totally blind I know Stallworth didn't do much against his old team, but it seemed he made the most of opportunities in the first two games.

I get what you're saying but as you'll see today, Niles Paul just seems to jump off the screen. They'll credit Armstrong with a catch that Paul makes in the game but you'll see it's #18, not #13. Or maybe that was last week. Can't remember.

Niles Paul is 84, Terrance Austin is 18. Maybe you are confusing the two.

Countertrey wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:If we keep 6 WR's, here's my pick:

Moss
AA
Gaffney
Austin
Hankerson
Paul

If they, for some reason keep 7 WR's, I think they could take a flyer at Kelly. I could also see them keeping Kelly and trying to put Paul on the PS but I think he'd get picked up by someone else.

I agree... Paul would not clear waivers... and, despite the understandable doubts expressed by many, I think we would ultimately regret releasing Kelly...

I don't have doubts about Kelly - there's a reason he's still here DESPITE his health
He's got great hands ..etc ... etc ... etc ..

IF we keep 6 - who do you let go instead of Kelly?



all I'm saying is that if these guys decide that Kelly does not offer what the other wideouts offer, then let him go

I hope he becomes a fantastic WR for an offense that he fits with
IF this FO let's him go it's because he will not do that here

Kelly's a VERY talented WR - THAT's why he's still in the mix here


Look at Andre Carter in NE - he was NOT going to be able to help here BECAUSE our system did not suit his talents
Carter tried here and played with the same intensity - he just did not suit
same player, different place

I'm not sorry Carter went to NE and looks like having a GREAT season,
GOOD LUCK to him
good luck to whomever is let go here because we have players that we want more

HarleyHog wrote:I have followed all three games via nflnetwork play by play, so I'm not flying totally blind I know Stallworth didn't do much against his old team, but it seemed he made the most of opportunities in the first two games.

If we are lucky someone will inquire about trading for him before he hits the open market. Stallworth has at least proven that he is still NFL quality.

SkinsJock wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:If we keep 6 WR's, here's my pick:

Moss
AA
Gaffney
Austin
Hankerson
Paul

If they, for some reason keep 7 WR's, I think they could take a flyer at Kelly. I could also see them keeping Kelly and trying to put Paul on the PS but I think he'd get picked up by someone else.

I agree... Paul would not clear waivers... and, despite the understandable doubts expressed by many, I think we would ultimately regret releasing Kelly...

I don't have doubts about Kelly - there's a reason he's still here DESPITE his health
He's got great hands ..etc ... etc ... etc ..

IF we keep 6 - who do you let go instead of Kelly?



all I'm saying is that if these guys decide that Kelly does not offer what the other wideouts offer, then let him go

I hope he becomes a fantastic WR for an offense that he fits with
IF this FO let's him go it's because he will not do that here

Kelly's a VERY talented WR - THAT's why he's still in the mix here


Look at Andre Carter in NE - he was NOT going to be able to help here BECAUSE our system did not suit his talents
Carter tried here and played with the same intensity - he just did not suit
same player, different place

I'm not sorry Carter went to NE and looks like having a GREAT season,
GOOD LUCK to him
good luck to whomever is let go here because we have players that we want more

Hope this helps

SkinsJock wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:If we keep 6 WR's, here's my pick:

Moss
AA
Gaffney
Austin
Hankerson
Paul

If they, for some reason keep 7 WR's, I think they could take a flyer at Kelly. I could also see them keeping Kelly and trying to put Paul on the PS but I think he'd get picked up by someone else.

I agree... Paul would not clear waivers... and, despite the understandable doubts expressed by many, I think we would ultimately regret releasing Kelly...

I don't have doubts about Kelly - there's a reason he's still here DESPITE his health
He's got great hands ..etc ... etc ... etc ..

IF we keep 6 - who do you let go instead of Kelly?



all I'm saying is that if these guys decide that Kelly does not offer what the other wideouts offer, then let him go

I hope he becomes a fantastic WR for an offense that he fits with
IF this FO let's him go it's because he will not do that here

Kelly's a VERY talented WR - THAT's why he's still in the mix here


Look at Andre Carter in NE - he was NOT going to be able to help here BECAUSE our system did not suit his talents
Carter tried here and played with the same intensity - he just did not suit
same player, different place

I'm not sorry Carter went to NE and looks like having a GREAT season,
GOOD LUCK to him
good luck to whomever is let go here because we have players that we want more

Carter & Kelley are totally different. Carter didn't fit the system. Kelley can't get healthy.

Countertrey wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:I done told ya'll that Austin should be in the WR conversations. Well, he had enough of ya'll dissin him so he played up on Thursday - Baller....!!!

What are you talking about?

On the other thread....no one mentioned Austin, maybe me only.