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QB1- John Beck
QB2-Rex Grossman
QB3- Kellen Clemens (Signed 7/27/11)

RB1- Tim Hightower (Acquired in trade 7/31/11)
RB2- Ryan Torain
RB3- Roy Helu

FB1- Mike Sellers

TE1- Chris ey
TE2- Fred Davis

WR1- Santana Moss
WR2- Jabar Gaffney (Acquired in trade 7/27/11)
WR3- Anthony Armstrong
WR4- Leonard Hankerson
WR5- Donte Stallworth (Signed 7/27/11)

LT- Trent Williams
LG- Kory Lichtensteiger
C- Will Montgomery
RG- Chris Chester (Signed 7/28/11)
RT- Jammal Brown

Backups
G/T Artis Hicks

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Okay, so this offense is a work in progress, but it's not instilling much confidence in Skins fans or much fear in opposing defenses. The offensive line remains the biggest weakness in my eyes, since every success on offense is attributable to what the hogs do in the trenches. We badly need to shore that up and this mediocre offense might surprise some people.

Tell you what, I'd be happy if we got Davin Joseph and Ryan Harris on the line...

pencil in Lictenstiger as starting LG.

Veeeeeery light pencil, with a question mark next to it...

Skinsfan55 wrote:Veeeeeery light pencil, with a question mark next to it...

OL will be address before Friday...

1niksder wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:Veeeeeery light pencil, with a question mark next to it...

OL will be address before Friday...

I wish I had your confidence. I'm starting to think that they aren't going to address the OL, because they like what they have. If they don't bring in a RT and at least one OG, they are just planning to tank the season (or they're morons).

This offense right now wouldn't scare most college defenses. There is not a single Star caliber player on that entire side of the ball. This is going to be a very difficult offensive team to watch if something doesn't change.

1niksder wrote:.. OL will be addressed before Friday ...

and I doubt that Rabach is starting at C in the game against the Gints

I think RT Brown will re-sign and we'll pick up depth at OG

it seems theyre going cheapo on the WR's, so one would think the line would be addressed heavily. But who knows

brad, right now my feeling is that they're throwing the 2011 season away... flushing it down the toilet before it even starts. Definitely on the offensive side of the ball.

Skinsfan55 wrote:QB1- John Beck
QB2-*
QB3- Kellen Clemens (signed 7/27/11)
*Note, Rex Grossman hasn't been officially re-signed as of yet.

RB1- Ryan Torain
RB2- Roy Helu
RB3- Evan Royster

FB1- Mike Sellers

TE1- Chris ey
TE2- Fred Davis

WR1- Santana Moss
WR2- Donte Stallworth (Signed 7/27/11)
WR3- Anthony Armstrong
WR4- Leonard Hankerson
WR5- Malcolm Kelly

LT- Trent Williams
LG-
C- Casey Rabach
RG-
RT-

Backups
C/G Kory Lichtensteiger, C/G Will Montgomery, G/T Artis Hicks

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Okay, so this offense is a work in progress, but it's not instilling much confidence in Skins fans or much fear in opposing defenses. The offensive line remains the biggest weakness in my eyes, since every success on offense is attributable to what the hogs do in the trenches. We badly need to shore that up and this mediocre offense might surprise some people.

Stallworth will NOT be the #2 WR. AA had 871 yds last yr. More than Stallworth has had in 1 season since2005. We obtained Jabar Gaffney. I'd be surprised if Stallworth makes the team.

K Will over Royster ar RB.

Casey Rabach had been told of his impending release, so I took him off the list. The o-line is looking mighty thin. Hopefully we start seeing signings trickle in.

Added Chris Chester as the RG since that's where he's played most of his career.

I think Chester, Lichtensteiger and Montgomery will all compete for both Center and Guard. Add Artis Hicks to the Guard competition and may the best two men win. I am assuming/hoping that another free agent guard will be signed and J. Brown will be re-signed.

I think the FO has been slow in addressing the O-line because there is SO MUCH going on in such a short time. (Asomugha hasn't even signed yet!) They just signed Chester and I bet now that they've secured all the draft picks and solidified the DLine, they will turn their attention to J.Brown and other OL FA's.

I also think since the McNabb experiment failed, that Mike/Kyle want to develop this offense with their own personnel. (no more band-aid fixes) I'm not saying it will work, but I think they envision an offense run by Beck that emphasizes precision and quick tempo (two things McNabb could not do). I think the offensive system may be pretty good if run properly. We may not start the season with household names, but by the end of the season, some budding stars may be emerging.

The real question for the offense, IMO, is how the run blocking and running game performs. Does Torain stay healthy? Does the O-line open holes?

I'm thinking that the RB out of Nebraska might 'benefit' from Mike's tutoring - this kid has a lot of heart

I'm looking for him to become another Shanahan 'find' as the season develops

You can change FB1 to Young and change TE3 (or cut) to Sellers.

Doc Walker has reported that the skins have changed Sellers to TE. Now maybe they are just seeing how Young works out at FB and if they are happy with him Sellers will get the boot.

Putting Sellers at TE makes a lot of sense to me. He'll basically play what Yoder did a few years ago. More of a blocking TE. Seller's has a lot of value on special teams and in our short yardage passing game. He get's nicked up a bit only b/c he's a part of so many plays and is in his early to mid 30's. This is a good way to get a season or two more out of him. Not to mention get another young RB on this team. Good move also being that he played TE under Joe Gibbs and has the size.

fleetus wrote:

I think Chester, Lichtensteiger and Montgomery will all compete for both Center and Guard.

Asking because I haven't read anything on why we aquired Chester - Do you think that they brought him in to play center?

Add Artis Hicks to the Guard competition and may the best two men win. I am assuming/hoping that another free agent guard will be signed and J. Brown will be re-signed.

I think Hicks proved, last year, that he is a reliable back up ti fill in when an injury occurs, like he has been his entire career. Agree with you on another FA and Brown.

I also think since the McNabb experiment failed, that Mike/Kyle want to develop this offense with their own personnel. (no more band-aid fixes) I'm not saying it will work, but I think they envision an offense run by Beck that emphasizes precision and quick tempo (two things McNabb could not do). I think the offensive system may be pretty good if run properly. We may not start the season with household names, but by the end of the season, some budding stars may be emerging.

I think that you are right. Clearly, we are not signing guys that will get us a championship this year. Next years, draft picks and free agents signed will have a different tone. If we can't call it rebuilding, we definitely are building.

The real question for the offense, IMO, is how the run blocking and running game performs. Does Torain stay healthy? Does the O-line open holes?

I agree with you that run blocking will be a foucus this year. I think that I may have read an article that the play calling will be more balanced this year.

First OL group

T.Williams LT
Lichtensteiger LG
Montgomery C
Hicks RG
Oldenburg RT

1niksder wrote:First OL group

T.Williams LT
Lichtensteiger LG
Montgomery C
Hicks RG
Oldenburg RT

spudstr04 wrote:

1niksder wrote:First OL group

T.Williams LT
Lichtensteiger LG
Montgomery C
Hicks RG
Oldenburg RT

Players that have just signed can't practice until Aug 4th

RE-SIGN BROWN! RE-SIGN BROWN! RE-SIGN BROWN! RE-SIGN BROWN!

Red_One43 wrote:RE-SIGN BROWN! RE-SIGN BROWN! RE-SIGN BROWN! RE-SIGN BROWN!

He is testing the market..... want LT $$$

1niksder wrote:

spudstr04 wrote:

1niksder wrote:First OL group

T.Williams LT
Lichtensteiger LG
Montgomery C
Hicks RG
Oldenburg RT

Players that have just signed can't practice until Aug 4th

I know, I know