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Pretty compelling argument here. I love the way this guy thinks.

Will Vince Young be Mike Shanahan’s New Jake Plummer?

http://thexlog.com/201107192232/xtra-po ... e-plummer/

PeterC042 wrote:Pretty compelling argument here. I love the way this guy thinks.

Will Vince Young be Mike Shanahan’s New Jake Plummer?

http://thexlog.com/201107192232/xtra-po ... e-plummer/

No, or at least I hope HELL no!

I really have no opinion about Young other than he is a certified mental flake. As for the article, every year there are agents, writers and players who claim that the Redskins are interested in them or thier boy to drive up the salary. It is an annual rite of passage. I will believe it when they are signed.

Oh gosh I hope not

PeterC042 wrote:Pretty compelling argument here. I love the way this guy thinks.

Will Vince Young be Mike Shanahan’s New Jake Plummer?

http://thexlog.com/201107192232/xtra-po ... e-plummer/

No way. VY is less disciplined than McNab. He & K. Shan would come to blows.

PeterC042 wrote:Pretty compelling argument here. I love the way this guy thinks.

Will Vince Young be Mike Shanahan’s New Jake Plummer?

http://thexlog.com/201107192232/xtra-po ... e-plummer/

Two things in the article that stand out for me are:

Kyle Shanahan also played at the University of Texas with Vince Young.

I had forgotten that Vince was on the team at the same time as Kyle, so Kyle should have some idea about the personality of VY.

For everyone who is down on Vince Young leading a franchise and saying that there is no way for him to be successful, what were your thoughts on Mike Vick out of prison and Kurt Warner leaving the Giants for the Cardinals? It’s all about being around the right people, system, and environment.

This is also a good argument, all it takes is a guy being around the right people. One major difference between Vick and Warner's football situations is they were on what they knew to be their last chance to make it again. Vince isn't there yet and Mike is Coachie Dearest of quarterbacks. That mix spells a disaster that even Kyle prevent.

Thanks for posting the article, it made for a good read.

This is also a good argument, all it takes is a guy being around the right people. One major difference between Vick and Warner's football situations is they were on what they knew to be their last chance to make it again. Vince isn't there yet and Mike is Coachie Dearest of quarterbacks. That mix spells a disaster that even Kyle prevent.

No, it isn't Vick didn't suck before he went to prison and Warner is most likely going into the Hall of Fame. All his personality issues and off the field problems aside, Vince Young sucks as a quarterback. 1-1 td:int ratio and a career 75 qb rating. Vick had his fair share of issues as a passer but he is a much bigger threat with his legs that Young.

As for this supposed Texas connection, they were at Texas together for one season. Shanahan was a senior during Young's freshman season when he redshirted. They probably said three words total to each other.

Red

This is also a good argument, all it takes is a guy being around the right people. One major difference between Vick and Warner's football situations is they were on what they knew to be their last chance to make it again. Vince isn't there yet and Mike is Coachie Dearest of quarterbacks. That mix spells a disaster that even Kyle prevent.

Canes

No, it isn't Vick didn't suck before he went to prison and Warner is most likely going into the Hall of Fame. All his personality issues and off the field problems aside, Vince Young sucks as a quarterback. 1-1 td:int ratio and a career 75 qb rating. Vick had his fair share of issues as a passer but he is a much bigger threat with his legs that Young.

The gist of the argument was Plummer (Arizone rating 69.0) became a better QB under Shanahan (Denver rating 84.3). Vince's completion percentage is better than pre-shanny plummer and Vince's 42 TD's to 42 Ints is far better than Jake's 90 TD's to 114 Ints. Vince is more athletic than Jake. Vince's career rating is 75.7 as compared to Jake's 69.0 with Arizona. The author is saying that Vince who has a winning record as a starter might see a similar growth in the right situation ( as is true with pretty much anyone in the right fit). Whether or not it is with Shanny is another story.

Now let's look at the author's choice of Vick and Warner of examples of being in the right fit and your argument that pre-prison Vick didn't suck and Vince does suck.

Clearly, Vick is a better quarterback with Philly than with Atlanta. Vick's completion pct last year of 62.6. was way over his Falcon average 53.8. Young's career average is 58.6. Vick Philly INT pct - 1.6. Falcon INT %3.0. Vince 3.5%. Vick's Falcon rating - 75.7 Young 75.7 (If 75% sucks for Vince then it sucked for the pre -prison Vick). Vick Falcon starter's record 38-28-1 (58%). Young's starter record 30-17 (64.8%). Vick Philly 2011 rating 100.2. Young 2011- 98. 6. Based on Stats alone, that's a tough argument that Vince Sucked and pre-prison Vick didn't.

Kurt Warner from 2002 - 2006 was 8 -23 - 0 as a starter and 27 TDs and 30 Ints. His first year under Wisenhunt (2007) his TD/Int ratio was 27/17. Before, Wisenhunt, Warner's career was over. Right coach comes around, Warner is back to his old days. Warner might be going to the Hall of Fame, but we might not be talking Hall of Fame for Warner, if not for Wisenhunt, or another other coach that fit, becoming his head coach.

For the gist of the author's argument, Vick and Warner fit.

Canes

As for this supposed Texas connection, they were at Texas together for one season. Shanahan was a senior during Young's freshman season when he redshirted. They probably said three words total to each other.

The author was not saying that Kyle was friends with Vince, he was saying that he saw what the guy can do close up. You can Bet Kyle took note when vince joined the team. Vince was not just any redshirt QB. As a Texas Longhorn fan, I knew all about Vince Young coming out of High School. All of the top colleges did.

Wikipedia

Among the honors Young received in high school were:

*being named Parade's and Student Sports' National Player of the Year after compiling 3,819 yards and 59 touchdowns (TD) as a senior,
*being named 2001 Texas 5A Offensive Player of the Year,
*designation as The Sporting News's top high school prospect,
*and the Pete Dawkins Trophy in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl.

With Chris Simms as the senior starter, Mack Brown felt it was in the best interest of the team to redshirt him. It was also in the best interest of the team to change the offense for Vince the next year.

All stats are from pro-football-reference.com

We're not signing Vince Young. Even if I were up for another Diva no way the Shannahans would put up with that nonsense. Fischer told him after his last "episode" not to stop in the locker room, but to keep running. Who on earth thinks Mikey would sign someone like that? It's completely out of character.

It's kind of funny that some would think there's a chance that Vince Young is coming here

Vince Young could be the only free agent QB available and he would not be brought in here to compete for the job

we don't have a lot to think about but that is just not a move that Allen or Shanahan are making

NOT HAPPENING

Red_One43 wrote:Red

This is also a good argument, all it takes is a guy being around the right people. One major difference between Vick and Warner's football situations is they were on what they knew to be their last chance to make it again. Vince isn't there yet and Mike is Coachie Dearest of quarterbacks. That mix spells a disaster that even Kyle prevent.

Canes

No, it isn't Vick didn't suck before he went to prison and Warner is most likely going into the Hall of Fame. All his personality issues and off the field problems aside, Vince Young sucks as a quarterback. 1-1 td:int ratio and a career 75 qb rating. Vick had his fair share of issues as a passer but he is a much bigger threat with his legs that Young.

The gist of the argument was Plummer (Arizone rating 69.0) became a better QB under Shanahan (Denver rating 84.3). Vince's completion percentage is better than pre-shanny plummer and Vince's 42 TD's to 42 Ints is far better than Jake's 90 TD's to 114 Ints. Vince is more athletic than Jake. Vince's career rating is 75.7 as compared to Jake's 69.0 with Arizona. The author is saying that Vince who has a winning record as a starter might see a similar growth in the right situation ( as is true with pretty much anyone in the right fit). Whether or not it is with Shanny is another story.

Now let's look at the author's choice of Vick and Warner of examples of being in the right fit and your argument that pre-prison Vick didn't suck and Vince does suck.

Clearly, Vick is a better quarterback with Philly than with Atlanta. Vick's completion pct last year of 62.6. was way over his Falcon average 53.8. Young's career average is 58.6. Vick Philly INT pct - 1.6. Falcon INT %3.0. Vince 3.5%. Vick's Falcon rating - 75.7 Young 75.7 (If 75% sucks for Vince then it sucked for the pre -prison Vick). Vick Falcon starter's record 38-28-1 (58%). Young's starter record 30-17 (64.8%). Vick Philly 2011 rating 100.2. Young 2011- 98. 6. Based on Stats alone, that's a tough argument that Vince Sucked and pre-prison Vick didn't.

Kurt Warner from 2002 - 2006 was 8 -23 - 0 as a starter and 27 TDs and 30 Ints. His first year under Wisenhunt (2007) his TD/Int ratio was 27/17. Before, Wisenhunt, Warner's career was over. Right coach comes around, Warner is back to his old days. Warner might be going to the Hall of Fame, but we might not be talking Hall of Fame for Warner, if not for Wisenhunt, or another other coach that fit, becoming his head coach.

For the gist of the author's argument, Vick and Warner fit.

Canes

As for this supposed Texas connection, they were at Texas together for one season. Shanahan was a senior during Young's freshman season when he redshirted. They probably said three words total to each other.

The author was not saying that Kyle was friends with Vince, he was saying that he saw what the guy can do close up. You can Bet Kyle took note when vince joined the team. Vince was not just any redshirt QB. As a Texas Longhorn fan, I knew all about Vince Young coming out of High School. All of the top colleges did.

Wikipedia

Among the honors Young received in high school were:

*being named Parade's and Student Sports' National Player of the Year after compiling 3,819 yards and 59 touchdowns (TD) as a senior,
*being named 2001 Texas 5A Offensive Player of the Year,
*designation as The Sporting News's top high school prospect,
*and the Pete Dawkins Trophy in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl.

With Chris Simms as the senior starter, Mack Brown felt it was in the best interest of the team to redshirt him. It was also in the best interest of the team to change the offense for Vince the next year.

All stats are from pro-football-reference.com

Rumor has it that one if not both of the Shannys think they can fix Mr. Young

1niksder wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:Red

This is also a good argument, all it takes is a guy being around the right people. One major difference between Vick and Warner's football situations is they were on what they knew to be their last chance to make it again. Vince isn't there yet and Mike is Coachie Dearest of quarterbacks. That mix spells a disaster that even Kyle prevent.

Canes

No, it isn't Vick didn't suck before he went to prison and Warner is most likely going into the Hall of Fame. All his personality issues and off the field problems aside, Vince Young sucks as a quarterback. 1-1 td:int ratio and a career 75 qb rating. Vick had his fair share of issues as a passer but he is a much bigger threat with his legs that Young.

The gist of the argument was Plummer (Arizone rating 69.0) became a better QB under Shanahan (Denver rating 84.3). Vince's completion percentage is better than pre-shanny plummer and Vince's 42 TD's to 42 Ints is far better than Jake's 90 TD's to 114 Ints. Vince is more athletic than Jake. Vince's career rating is 75.7 as compared to Jake's 69.0 with Arizona. The author is saying that Vince who has a winning record as a starter might see a similar growth in the right situation ( as is true with pretty much anyone in the right fit). Whether or not it is with Shanny is another story.

Now let's look at the author's choice of Vick and Warner of examples of being in the right fit and your argument that pre-prison Vick didn't suck and Vince does suck.

Clearly, Vick is a better quarterback with Philly than with Atlanta. Vick's completion pct last year of 62.6. was way over his Falcon average 53.8. Young's career average is 58.6. Vick Philly INT pct - 1.6. Falcon INT %3.0. Vince 3.5%. Vick's Falcon rating - 75.7 Young 75.7 (If 75% sucks for Vince then it sucked for the pre -prison Vick). Vick Falcon starter's record 38-28-1 (58%). Young's starter record 30-17 (64.8%). Vick Philly 2011 rating 100.2. Young 2011- 98. 6. Based on Stats alone, that's a tough argument that Vince Sucked and pre-prison Vick didn't.

Kurt Warner from 2002 - 2006 was 8 -23 - 0 as a starter and 27 TDs and 30 Ints. His first year under Wisenhunt (2007) his TD/Int ratio was 27/17. Before, Wisenhunt, Warner's career was over. Right coach comes around, Warner is back to his old days. Warner might be going to the Hall of Fame, but we might not be talking Hall of Fame for Warner, if not for Wisenhunt, or another other coach that fit, becoming his head coach.

For the gist of the author's argument, Vick and Warner fit.

Canes

As for this supposed Texas connection, they were at Texas together for one season. Shanahan was a senior during Young's freshman season when he redshirted. They probably said three words total to each other.

The author was not saying that Kyle was friends with Vince, he was saying that he saw what the guy can do close up. You can Bet Kyle took note when vince joined the team. Vince was not just any redshirt QB. As a Texas Longhorn fan, I knew all about Vince Young coming out of High School. All of the top colleges did.

Wikipedia

Among the honors Young received in high school were:

*being named Parade's and Student Sports' National Player of the Year after compiling 3,819 yards and 59 touchdowns (TD) as a senior,
*being named 2001 Texas 5A Offensive Player of the Year,
*designation as The Sporting News's top high school prospect,
*and the Pete Dawkins Trophy in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl.

With Chris Simms as the senior starter, Mack Brown felt it was in the best interest of the team to redshirt him. It was also in the best interest of the team to change the offense for Vince the next year.

All stats are from pro-football-reference.com

Rumor has it that one if not both of the Shannys think they can fix Mr. Young

Now, that's the Mike that I know. All that counts is the highlight film.

Red_One43 wrote:Now, that's the Mike that I know. All that counts is the highlight film.

Then why are McNabb and Fatso outta here? They have great highlight films. I think what counts with them first is doing what you're told by them. A sixteen year old girl in a man's body's not going to do that even if that's their intention. I think you're confusing the Shannahans with Dannyshands, Danny and Vinnie. Now they liked highlight reels.

Wouldn't be shocked to see them bring in Vince as insurance. Rex may not be back, McNabb may not be back. Beck and Vince for the year and one will be released next year. If we stink we'll try to get Luck. Either Beck or Vince will be the QB for the next year or so while Luck sits on the bench. #shrug. Who really knows... lol

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:Now, that's the Mike that I know. All that counts is the highlight film.

Then why are McNabb and Fatso outta here? They have great highlight films. I think what counts with them first is doing what you're told by them. A sixteen year old girl in a man's body's not going to do that even if that's their intention. I think you're confusing the Shannahans with Dannyshands, Danny and Vinnie. Now they liked highlight reels.

Shanahan often evaluated players by watching tapes of their highlights, a system employed by some in the league who believe that if you see a player at his best then he can be coached up to that ability....

But many league executives say the approach can become intoxicating to a coach who is confident in his ability to coach the player to that level and has the ultimate authority to choose that player.

"He didn't listen to his scouts," said one NFL general manager, who asked not to be identified because he didn't want to publicly criticize another team executive.

Another executive, who also did not want his name used because he might have to deal with Shanahan again, said that Shanahan let his coaching emotions get in the way, "overrating" the players he had brought in both on offense and defense....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 0010700047

Specifically Concerning Donovan, Mark Schlereth says:

OK, let me tell you. And this is endemic of all coaches. Don't just put this on Mike, you can put this on anybody. Donovan's biggest issue has been accuracy. He's always struggled over his career with being a very accurate QB. I can put on any game film this year of Donovan and there's six or seven balls a game where he throws them into the dirt where nobody has an opportunity [to make the catch]. Where you're like, "Really?" It's a 7-yard throw and you threw it four yards short in the dirt. How can that be? And, the problem with coaches in general is they really feel like they can cure or fix anybody. From the inaccuracy, they'll say, "Oh, it's his footwork. Under my expert tutelage I'll get him to setup a different way. I'll get his knees bent a little bit more. I'll get his weight distributed more evenly. And I'll fix this issue."

http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/12/29/190 ... traded-for

It was McNabb's highlight film that got Mike to bring Donovan in here. Why is he out of here? Not enough Redskin highlights to keep him here. Shanahan could not "fix" him.

After seeing highlights of Albert, Mike salivated over having Albert play NT. Called him to his office to watch tape of himself so Mike could show him how to improve his technique. We know the story here. Mike couldn't "fix" him either.

Vince Young is scheduled to make $8.5 million dollars this year. Sure he will be released, but how much money would the Shanhan's be willing to pay him to be a back up? There is some coach out there that believes that he can fix Vince and wil pay him starter money to do it.

If the Shanahans are committed to Beck, which I believe that they are, there is no way the Redskins pursue Vince Young during this free agency period.

No way VY accepts coming to a team to be a back up.

^ +1

Red_One43 wrote:Vince Young is scheduled to make $8.5 million dollars this year. Sure he will be released, but how much money would the Shanhan's be willing to pay him to be a back up? There is some coach out there that believes that he can fix Vince and wil pay him starter money to do it.

If the Shanahans are committed to Beck, which I believe that they are, there is no way the Redskins pursue Vince Young during this free agency period.

No way VY accepts coming to a team to be a back up.

This is exactly what they were saying last nite on NFL channel.

Its hard to speculate what happens.. I kinda wondered if VY would meet w the shannys when he had the fall out w his coach. Personally I woulldnt mind signing him up and see what he can do in the b & g. Guess we wait and see what happens jus like all the other rumors

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Wouldn't be shocked to see them bring in Vince as insurance

AH needs a backup nut job in case he's not here to do it himself?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Wouldn't be shocked to see them bring in Vince as insurance. Rex may not be back, McNabb may not be back. Beck and Vince for the year and one will be released next year. If we stink we'll try to get Luck. Either Beck or Vince will be the QB for the next year or so while Luck sits on the bench. #shrug. Who really knows... lol

I certainly don't - BUT I'm sure that nobody that matters here (the FO or HC or OC) want to bring in Young for any reason

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Wouldn't be shocked to see them bring in Vince as insurance. Rex may not be back, McNabb may not be back. Beck and Vince for the year and one will be released next year. If we stink we'll try to get Luck. Either Beck or Vince will be the QB for the next year or so while Luck sits on the bench. #shrug. Who really knows... lol

I would. His & Kyle's temperments would clash too much.

hopefully all this BS stops soon so we can see that a lot of this stupid speculation is so far off base

Vince Young will not be a part of our franchise - NO WAY - makes absolutely no sense

The gist of the argument was Plummer (Arizone rating 69.0) became a better QB under Shanahan (Denver rating 84.3). Vince's completion percentage is better than pre-shanny plummer and Vince's 42 TD's to 42 Ints is far better than Jake's 90 TD's to 114 Ints. Vince is more athletic than Jake. Vince's career rating is 75.7 as compared to Jake's 69.0 with Arizona. The author is saying that Vince who has a winning record as a starter might see a similar growth in the right situation ( as is true with pretty much anyone in the right fit). Whether or not it is with Shanny is another story.

Plummer didn't actually improve all that much when he went to Denver. His 2001 season with the Cardinals is pretty comparable to what he did in Denver. He also had a better supporting cast in Denver than he did in Arizona which likely can be attributed to the marginal increase in performance. His biggest problem was always inconsistency, which was a problem both in Arizona and Denver.

Clearly, Vick is a better quarterback with Philly than with Atlanta.

Obviously

Vick's completion pct last year of 62.6. was way over his Falcon average 53.8. Young's career average is 58.6. Vick Philly INT pct - 1.6. Falcon INT %3.0. Vince 3.5%. Vick's Falcon rating - 75.7 Young 75.7 (If 75% sucks for Vince then it sucked for the pre -prison Vick). Vick Falcon starter's record 38-28-1 (58%). Young's starter record 30-17 (64.8%). Vick Philly 2011 rating 100.2. Young 2011- 98. 6. Based on Stats alone, that's a tough argument that Vince Sucked and pre-prison Vick didn't.

You're cherry picking stats. Nobody is going to dispute that Vick didn't have a high completion percentage in Atlanta, but he was a far more effective qb and a more dangerous player than Young ever has been or ever will be. The most tds that Young has ever accounted for in a season is 19. Other than his rookie season, when he only started 3 games, and 2003, when he was hurt and missed most of the season, Vick scored more than 20 tds each year. Young has never once done that. Only once in Atlanta did Vick have more int's than tds and that was his rookie year when he had 3 and 2, respectively. In 3 of his 5 seasons Young has had more int's than tds.

And you completely ignored that which made Vick most dangerous, his scrambling ability. Young had 552 rushing yards his rookie year and hasn't come close to matching that again. In each of his full seasons in Atlanta Vick topped that easily. 777 yards in 2002, 902 in 2004, 597 in 2005, and 1039 in 2006.

Young is going to have trouble finding any job in the NFL this year, let alone a starting job. Teams would've been lining up to give Vick a starting qb job, by comparison, if Atlanta had decided to cut him at any time before the dog fighting and subsequent prison term.

Kurt Warner from 2002 - 2006 was 8 -23 - 0 as a starter and 27 TDs and 30 Ints. His first year under Wisenhunt (2007) his TD/Int ratio was 27/17. Before, Wisenhunt, Warner's career was over. Right coach comes around, Warner is back to his old days. Warner might be going to the Hall of Fame, but we might not be talking Hall of Fame for Warner, if not for Wisenhunt, or another other coach that fit, becoming his head coach.

Honestly, this is some of the biggest bunch of nonsense I've read on this board in a while. Warner struggled in the seasons that you mentioned because he was constantly injured. In 2002 in broke a finger on his throwing hand; in 2003 he had a broken hand; and in 2005 he tore his MCL.

In 2004 he actually played well for the Giants (86.5 qb rating) but during the season they decided to have Eli Manning start. You know, the guy that was drafted first overall.

Likewise, in 2006 he was playing well (89.3 qb rating) but the Cardinals wanted to give their supposed qb of the future, Leinart, a shot.

So even in all of the bad seasons that you cite for Warner, only twice was his qb rating under 85, and that was in 2002 and 2003 when he started a total of 7 games.

Wisenhunt didn't all of a sudden turn Warner back into a top qb. He got healthy and was given a chance to be the full-time starter again. He would have been equally as productive as the last few years in 2004, 2005, and 2006 if he had played full seasons. Any comparison of the Young situation to Warner is stupid and not based in reality.[/quote]

As a Titans fan, I have to say you guys don't want VY.

He played well his rookie year in a drastically simplified 1 read and go offense. Teams tried to play him like they played Vick w/ a spy and man coverage and he was able to beat it reasonably well in large part b/c he ran a lot. He struggled once they switched to more zones b/c he can't read defenses worth a crap and he won't put in the effort to learn in part b/c he's dumb as a box of rocks (6 on the wonderlic before his agent got him a do over).

After his rookie season the Titans brought back 'Dinger who was known as a very good vertical offensive OC. He's the guy that coached McNair up and got him his co-MVP season w/ Manning. So what's VY do? he goes back to Houston in the offseason to hang out on campus and party w/ coeds instead of sticking in Nashville and learning the new offense and getting to know his new OC, all the while doing an interview where he proclaims "can't no body teach me nothing."

Shockingly he struggles his 2nd year and the Titans win b/c of a dominate defense (new contract seeking Haynesworth) despite his 17picks and 10 fumbles. They make it to the playoffs and play the Chargers and during the game, while they were winning, he refuses to go back in and asks to be taken out b/c he's playing badly. Fisher forces him back in the game and they lose.

The next season is the beginning of the end for VY. Week 1, he again has a mental breakdown and refuses to go back into the game b/c he's playing badly and the crowd boos him. Fisher again forces him back into the game and he's injured the next play (legitimately injured) leading to him skipping the MRI the next day and his mom calls Fisher in the middle of the night b/c VY left the house w/ a gun thus "suicide watch" begins as they get the cops to track him down. After that he's benched and KC takes us to the playoffs.

The titans have some bad breaks early and then injuries and poor defensive play lead to an 0-6 start and the owner forcing Fisher to start VY again. Vy plays decently against poor teams w/ everyone playing 9 in the box about every play vs CJ, leading everyone to think he might possibly turn the corner... soon after he proclaims himself as an "elite" QB.

And then last year, he plays decently again in a very simple offense as the titans obviously try to hide him (very few pass attempts per game) and every team again loading the box vs CJ (denver admitted to blitzing both their OLBs on every play). After about half way through he's injured yet again. And then after the bye vs Miami when he's suppose to be ready, he doesn't even give it an effort. professing that he's still injured and can't go... Fisher still makes him the #2. KC gets injured and VY is forced in the game and runs around like he's perfeclty healthy.

Then comes the game against you guys iirc where he's legitimately injured again. we've got video via NFLN of the trainer informing Fisher that VY can't grip the ball and that he's accuracy is all over the place. after the game, VY throws his pads into the stands, tells off the head coach and walks out on the team in the middle of the post game meeting in the locker room. Multiple players tried to stop him from walking out but couldn't. This is when it really blows up and VY is done and everyone knows it.

during the offseason the owner has multiple meetings as multiple staff and players try to convince him that VY needs to go. suppossedly even a lot of players stepped up and begged the owner to release VY due to him being unprofessional, immature and having a very poor work ethic. this is also when it comes out how badly prepared he is. during steelers week that season, he skipped meetings to take McNair's kids out and obviously wasn't prepared (he got benched after 2 picks and 2 fumbles in about a quarter of play). CJ even came out and said that on one play the protection scheme VY called for a play didn't match the formation and when he tried to tell VY this, VY told him to shut up and get in formation... the resulting sack/fumble is on nfl.com and you can see CJ desperately trying to get over and block the OLB coming free on the blitz.


So yeah, that's VY. he's a very talented immature mental midget w/ a very poor work ethic who thinks he's an "elite" QB. trust me.. you guys don't want him.