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Trent Williams AWOL Again

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:12 am
by The Hogster
Per The Washington Post:

Trent Williams misses players’ workout again
By Mike Jones
One of the most noticeable absentees from the Washington Redskins’ player-led workouts has been second-year left tackle Trent Williams.

Drafted fourth overall out of Oklahoma last year, Williams joins benched quarterback Donovan McNabb, free-agent-to-be wide receiver Santana Moss and right tackle Jammal Brown (also a free agent) as the only offensive starters who haven’t attended any of the seven offseason practices.

Defensive end Adam Carriker, whose wife gave birth to a child during the offseason, cornerback Carlos Rogers (a free agent), rehabbing strong safety LaRon Landry and newly acquired free safety O.J. Atogwe are the only defensive starters who have not attended the workouts.

Reached by phone Wednesday, Williams said that he has been training with roughly a dozen players in his hometown of Houston. He said he considered attending this week’s workouts, but decided not to go because he was in a wedding last weekend, which would have interfered with travel plans.

“I kind of had my hands tied,” Williams said. “But I figure as long as I’m getting work in and am making sure I’m ready. I’ve been trimming down a little bit, focusing on total body strength, and I started back [doing squats] this offseason, which I hadn’t done since my sophomore year, to get my explosiveness in my legs back. I feel great.”

Redskins attending the workouts say the sessions have helped them shake off the rust and refresh their memory and feel for the playbook.

Williams doesn’t believe he will suffer significantly from passing on the chance to run through plays with his teammates.

“When the lockout’s lifted I’m pretty sure everybody’s going to be rusty,” he said. “I can’t be no rustier than what I was as a rookie last year. I didn’t know any of the playbook then. So I’ll automatically be further along.”

Linebacker London Fletcher and quarterback John Beck -- the players who have assumed leadership roles during the three weeks of group offseason workouts – said they aren’t allowing themselves to worry about no-shows.

“I understand guys have different things going on,” Fletcher said. “We’d love to have everybody here, but that’s not the situation. You just hope and trust that guys are doing the things they need to, to get ready for the season.”

When asked about Williams’ absence, Beck said, “It’d be nice to have as many guys as we could out here, but I’m happy with the guys that are coming out and I feel like we’ve gotten a lot accomplished.”

Tight end Chris Cooley also said he is only concerned about the players in attendance.

“Everyone’s happy with who’s showed up and what we’ve had here,” Cooley said. “Everyone’s been contacted, emailed, texted, called. We set up the opportunity for guys to show up and do what they want to do, and whoever makes it, makes it.”

One player happy for the opportunity to take all the snaps at left tackle is second-year player Selvish Capers, who spent all of last year on the practice squad. Rather than rotating with Williams or watching most of the plays, Capers has gotten extensive work, and describes the opportunity as a big plus.

“Everything helps. It’s good to be out here, getting reps, especially against Orakpo and Rob Jackson and Kerrigan. I’m starting to get a feel. Everything’s rolling,” Capers said. “It’s very important. It’s like a refresher course. Just being out here helps my memory of the plays coming together, so it’s very beneficial.”

By Mike Jones | 02:53 PM ET, 06/15/2011
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... _blog.html

Not a good sign in my view. The word on Trent Williams in college was that he was a physical talent with the feet of a HOF caliber LT but the work ethic of a J.A.G. (Just A Guy). He showed flashes in his first year, but was nagged with constant injuries. Shanahan challenged him to work harder at year end. This is a critical offseason for him. And, he's shown some signs that he's not as committed as he should be. Specifically this quote from ESPN 980:

Trent Williams said:
I thought this was a quarterbacks and receivers thing,” Williams told ESPN 980 on Wednesday. “I haven’t talked to anybody on the O-line.

He offered a different excuse for not being there in May. “I was in a wedding,” Williams said.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -workouts/

Everyone knows these player workouts are not a "QB and receivers thing." And, why haven't you talked to "anybody on the O-Line?" Chris Cooley says everyone has been called, emailed, and texted. I want Trent Williams to become the caliber of player that he can. He has the skills to do it. But, I've seen this movie before. Hoping for a different ending.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:40 pm
by CanesSkins26
As long as he's getting his work in somewhere this isn't a big deal.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:51 pm
by Hooligan
Considering these unofficial practices aren't near full-speed anyway, I don't believe he's missing THAT much. If anything it gives other players more reps (Capers).

The most surprising thing in this article, to me, was that he hasn't squatted in years. What's up with that? His choice or his trainers?

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:53 pm
by Irn-Bru
I don't think this is a big deal at all.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:57 pm
by VetSkinsFan
Lockout non-issue.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:22 pm
by The Hogster
Hooligan wrote:Considering these unofficial practices aren't near full-speed anyway, I don't believe he's missing THAT much. If anything it gives other players more reps (Capers).

The most surprising thing in this article, to me, was that he hasn't squatted in years. What's up with that? His choice or his trainers?
The squatting thing stood out to me too. Voluntary workouts aren't a big deal. A multi-million dollar, 2nd year, player with a rep for not working out missing all of them is.

If Casey Rabach is there, why aren't you.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:43 pm
by Red_One43
Just a thought - with his different reasons for missing - could it be his agent told him not to attend and he doesn't want to say it - which would probably make things look worse with his teammates risking their bodies especially Orakpo, Fletcher and Cooley. Who is his agent? Are this agent's other playing attending workouts?

I will withhold judgment until training camp. If he comes in stronger and in better shape then it will have proved to be better for him and the team. It is not the same as someone missing OTAs.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:06 pm
by The Hogster
Nothing right now is a big deal. But, since there is nothing else to discuss, this is what we have. This doesn't sit well with me, simply because of his reputation coming out of college.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:30 pm
by CanesSkins26
The Hogster wrote:Nothing right now is a big deal. But, since there is nothing else to discuss, this is what we have. This doesn't sit well with me, simply because of his reputation coming out of college.
I would tend to agree with you if he wasn't working out at all. But, he says that he is working out with other players back home and I haven't seen anything that would call that into question. I think we'll have a better idea once camp starts and we see what kind of shape he is in then.

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:33 pm
by langleyparkjoe
VetSkinsFan wrote:Lockout non-issue.
:!:

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:34 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
I don't expect players to fly in just for some walk-throughs. Offensive linemen aren't really doing any practicing in these situations anyway. There aren't any pads and they aren't truly going hard in the trenches.

Now the skilled positions are another story...

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:47 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I don't expect players to fly in just for some walk-throughs. Offensive linemen aren't really doing any practicing in these situations anyway. There aren't any pads and they aren't truly going hard in the trenches.

Now the skilled positions are another story...
That's a great point. It does seem like particuarly when you hear about QB's and receivers practicing together in the offseason they do seem to do better.

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:05 pm
by The Hogster
I'd just like to see the commitment from him. Time will tell. It says something when London Fletcher is there and Trent Williams isn't.

Ndamakung Suh is at the Detroit voluntaries. Everyone benefits when your top picks & highest paid players are leading the way in making sacrifices.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:20 pm
by gay4pacman
i wish i had a list of star players around the league not participating. i bet it is pretty long...

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:42 pm
by 1niksder
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I don't expect players to fly in just for some walk-throughs. Offensive linemen aren't really doing any practicing in these situations anyway. There aren't any pads and they aren't truly going hard in the trenches.

Now the skilled positions are another story...
That's a great point. It does seem like particuarly when you hear about QB's and receivers practicing together in the offseason they do seem to do better.
It works for QBs and WRs because it's a timing thing. Everyone else is spending money and taking risk doing things they can do at home or wherever they are at. If it's getting done with other NFL players (as Williams says) then that's even better.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:51 pm
by The Hogster
gay4pacman wrote:i wish i had a list of star players around the league not participating. i bet it is pretty long...
You're probably right. No doubt. Thing is, Trent Williams is not a star yet. He's a high paid, highly drafted player with star potential and a reputation of being lazy. I want him to succeed. I wish he didn't miss these workouts, however janky they may be--other leaders are there, many of whom have done much more in their careers--London Fletcher, Chris Cooley, Brian Orakpo, DeAngelo Hall.

And, the bad excuses just make it worse. "I had a wedding." "I thought it wasn't for me." "I didn't talk to anybody." All of these things were contradicted by Chris Cooley. A player with a rep for being a pro.

If the team leaders are there, it would be nice for T. Will to show up too. Unless he's content with a paycheck and doesn't want to be a leader.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:29 am
by KazooSkinsFan
The Hogster wrote:I'd just like to see the commitment from him. Time will tell. It says something when London Fletcher is there and Trent Williams isn't
What does it say? BTW, this a great application of the "begging the question" logical fallacy. Assuming a point which is not proven. In this case that commitment = coming to these workouts. This is in fact the statement many are challenging, so assuming it's true and drawing a conclusion isn't really an argument for it, it's an assumption you're right.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:55 am
by CanesSkins26
And, the bad excuses just make it worse. "I had a wedding." "I thought it wasn't for me." "I didn't talk to anybody." All of these things were contradicted by Chris Cooley. A player with a rep for being a pro.
This is my only concern. If you prefer to stay at home and work out, say so. But don't come up with lame excuses and lies, it just makes you sound like an idiot.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:43 am
by The Hogster
CanesSkins26 wrote:
And, the bad excuses just make it worse. "I had a wedding." "I thought it wasn't for me." "I didn't talk to anybody." All of these things were contradicted by Chris Cooley. A player with a rep for being a pro.
This is my only concern. If you prefer to stay at home and work out, say so. But don't come up with lame excuses and lies, it just makes you sound like an idiot.
Exactly.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:46 am
by The Hogster
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
The Hogster wrote:I'd just like to see the commitment from him. Time will tell. It says something when London Fletcher is there and Trent Williams isn't
What does it say? BTW, this a great application of the "begging the question" logical fallacy. Assuming a point which is not proven. In this case that commitment = coming to these workouts. This is in fact the statement many are challenging, so assuming it's true and drawing a conclusion isn't really an argument for it, it's an assumption you're right.
Whatever. Trent Williams has a reputation for being lazy. What it says is that a player that Shanahan publicly challenged to work harder has decided that he doesn't have to show up to workouts that team leaders are encouraging. Pretty simple. The excuses make it even worse. Logical reality.

Chris Cooley, Brian Orakpo, London Fletcher, Lorenzo Alexander, and even DeAngelo Hall are there. Trent Williams isn't. His absences say merely that he isn't there. It suggests that he doesn't see the same value in it that other team leaders do despite making more than many of them, and having a reputation for being a slacker. I'm not fooling myself. I've seen this movie before.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:56 am
by The Hogster
From Oklahoma's Strength Coach:
“He’s one of those guys, he’s definitely not a gym rat. If he was, there wouldn’t be anybody even close to him,” Schmidt told the Post. “If he really committed himself, it wouldn’t even be close. He’d be the best ever. That’s how much talent he’s got. There’s a lot of talent there that he just hasn’t tapped.
Schmidt went on to say that Williams could make the Pro Bowl “as many times as he wants”, but that he just has to assert himself, something it doesn’t sound like he did while in Norman.
http://blog.newsok.com/ou/2010/04/27/ou ... ork-ethic/

To start off your first offseason as a Pro with excuses like "I was in a wedding" "I didn't know this was for the O Linemen, I thought it was just for QBs and receivers" "I haven't talked to anybody" "I'm doing squats for the first time since high school" isn't exactly the display of commitment to greatness.

If he's content with being a good Left Tackle, then fine. But, if he wants to reach his full potential, showing your face once would help. Ndamakung Suh is known for having a good work ethic. Where do you think he is when his teamates are practicing?

If he were Laron Landry, give him a pass. He's not. Players who embrace leadership know that showing up for 3 days twice a summer isn't going to interfere with your at-home workout schedule. It only shows leadership and a commitment to improving since others are there.

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:15 pm
by 1niksder
Hooligan wrote:Considering these unofficial practices aren't near full-speed anyway, I don't believe he's missing THAT much. If anything it gives other players more reps (Capers).

The most surprising thing in this article, to me, was that he hasn't squatted in years. What's up with that? His choice or his trainers?
He said he was about the same playing weight as he was last year (323 pounds) and said “in the past few years, I haven’t been doing a lot of leg work, because of the knee problems,” but added “everything is perfect. I have no problem with anything. I feel better then I’ve ever felt.”

The Hogster wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
And, the bad excuses just make it worse. "I had a wedding." "I thought it wasn't for me." "I didn't talk to anybody." All of these things were contradicted by Chris Cooley. A player with a rep for being a pro.
This is my only concern. If you prefer to stay at home and work out, say so. But don't come up with lame excuses and lies, it just makes you sound like an idiot.
Exactly.
Now there are reports that his longtime friend Malcolm Kelly informed him that it was a all-position get together.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:43 am
by tribeofjudah
Ever hear of the 10,000 hour rule...? People who become experts in their field have already put in this many hours of PRACTICE.....!!!

Be it hockey, piano, tennis, golf, being a leader, a singer, or football, etc. This rule applies.

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:51 am
by tribeofjudah
The Hogster wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
The Hogster wrote:I'd just like to see the commitment from him. Time will tell. It says something when London Fletcher is there and Trent Williams isn't
What does it say? BTW, this a great application of the "begging the question" logical fallacy. Assuming a point which is not proven. In this case that commitment = coming to these workouts. This is in fact the statement many are challenging, so assuming it's true and drawing a conclusion isn't really an argument for it, it's an assumption you're right.
Whatever. Trent Williams has a reputation for being lazy. What it says is that a player that Shanahan publicly challenged to work harder has decided that he doesn't have to show up to workouts that team leaders are encouraging. Pretty simple. The excuses make it even worse. Logical reality.

Chris Cooley, Brian Orakpo, London Fletcher, Lorenzo Alexander, and even DeAngelo Hall are there. Trent Williams isn't. His absences say merely that he isn't there. It suggests that he doesn't see the same value in it that other team leaders do despite making more than many of them, and having a reputation for being a slacker. I'm not fooling myself. I've seen this movie before.
Indeed...so why was the FO so "high" on a slacker like this??? The FO might have fooled themselves. Took a chance, rolled the dice on a known SLACKER....!!!

Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:37 am
by SkinsJock
I still think these player "workouts" are a long, long way from a practice

Next thing will be someone 'analysing' the effects on all those players that did not attend these "practices" - what a waste of time


much ado about absolutely nothing IMO :lol: