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Posted: **Sat May 28, 2011 12:23 pm**

"the Danny" did interviews with NBC 4 and to Fox 5 this week. Here are some of the quotes

Whether he is worried about missing NFL games this season-

“No, actually, I’m actually very confident in Roger Goodell, the commissioner, and his staff and the team he’s got,” Snyder said. “I think they’ll get to the table soon and negotiate a deal and I’m optimistic. I think we’ll have a full season, and I’m excited about this season for us.”

The highs and lows of Snyder’s 12 years of ownership.

“I think that I'll always be a fan so it’s gonna come natural to me,” Snyder said of the question. “Obviously not making the playoffs enough would be the lows, and some of the years — last year 6-10, or 4-12 — you feel really disappointed. 2005 would probably be the high year. I thought we were gonna make the Super Bowl. I was convinced, and a lot of the players and coaches [were too].”

His involvement in football operations:

“You know what’s interesting is there’s a little bit of a misperception here.When Joe Gibbs was here for over four seasons, nobody came to talk to me about football, and the same thing now. It was very similar between Mike Shanahan and Joe Gibbs, that they take command of the football team, and I love that.

“I mean, for me it’s easy. I don’t want to be involved. I enjoyed this draft probably more than any draft we had, because these guys worked so hard at preparation. It’s very different than Vinny Cerrato, their structure, and I can tell you that I thought the trades and the moves that Bruce [Allen] made to accomplish what he accomplished was really remarkable. It was a great Redskin day, and I think people two or three years from now are gonna LOVE this draft.”

On Albert Haynesworth:

“Talk to Bruce. Talk to Bruce Allen...It’s their decision....They keep me totally informed, these guys have been great on that....I completely trust them....Sometimes when you spend a lot of money, disappointment would be an understatement.”

On the media:

“I think to some degree it’s part of the media landscape changing, and now with the blogging and all these different things, there’s a lot of stuff that’s written that’s just completely false. Something that I read about recently, someone sent me that said something about uh, um, uh, arm sleeves or some wristbands, I have no idea what he’s talking about.

“So there’s there’s a lot of that out there, a tremendous amount of it, and I think some of the criticism is rightfully so. I mean, we haven’t won a Super Bowl, so it’s a disappointment to us and the fans overall, and I respect that completely. And I think that we will win and we’ll win a bunch, and it’s just a matter of time. And with winning, I think people will recognize over the years as I get a bit older, I came in as a young brash guy, and 34, one of the youngest owners ever in the NFL, and that stirs it up. And I was a fan coming in, I think the team was 3-13 or whatever it was the year prior, and I was just like every fan — hey we’ve got to make changes — and made a bunch of wrong moves and a bunch of right moves.

Posted: **Sat May 28, 2011 4:18 pm**

This was interesting comment:

"I mean, for me it’s easy. I don’t want to be involved. I enjoyed this draft probably more than any draft we had, because these guys worked so hard at preparation. It’s very different than Vinny Cerrato -- their structure -- and I can tell you that I thought the trades and the moves that Bruce made to accomplish what he accomplished was really remarkable. It was a great Redskin day, and I think people two or three years from now are going to love this draft."

It was preceded by this tidbit:

"When Joe Gibbs was here for over four seasons, nobody came to talk to me about football, and the same thing now. It was very similar between Mike Shanahan and Joe Gibbs, that they take command of the football team, and I love that.

Did he throw his boy Vinny under the bus?

Before Gibbs - Vinny was in charge as Vice President of Football Operations, then Gibbs got the title President of Football Operations (second man to hold that title during "the Danny's" 12 yr. ownership) and ran the team without talking football with "the Danny". Now it's Bruce and Shanny replacing Vinny C. (they have the same title of Vice Presidents of Football Operations) and not talking football with the owner. He didn't mention Marty, but is on record that he didn't have fun back then. Marty was GM, PFO, and coach.

Why did Vinny have to talk football with "the Danny"? During Marty's year there was no VPFO, that's what Vinny was named when he was rehired and no one filled the role of PFO might be a answer but then again there is currently no PFO and the two VPs don't talk to him.

Gibbs run wasn't bad and Shanny is showing signs... is "the Danny" laying the mess at the feet of his lap dog?

He also said he knows nothing about a wristband, lends credit to not talking football.

Just wondering

Posted: **Sun May 29, 2011 5:03 pm**

1niksder wrote:He also said he knows nothing about a wristband, lends credit to not talking football.

Just wondering

An owner trying to avoid the fundamental responsibility for his choices and role in the overall performance of this team over the last 12 years.

There is no question that when Danny compares Vinny to Joe Gibbs or Mike Shanahan in this interview, it is done with an effort to critcise Vinny's poor preparation and draft choices. Is he trying to suggest that he was not part of those FA and Draft choices? What a joke!

I only have one question: If that job was poorly done by Vinny, why did he stay as long as he did throughout TWO long tenures?

I hope Vinny comes out to spill the beans from his side of the story one day. :twisted:

Posted: **Sun May 29, 2011 6:36 pm**

Redskin in Canada wrote:I hope Vinny comes out to spill the beans from his side of the story one day.

I'm waiting to hear his side :lol:

He gets plenty of airtime, weekdays from 8-10 p.m. on 105.7 The Fan in Baltimore.

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 11:12 am**

Redskin in Canada wrote:An owner trying to avoid the fundamental responsibility for his choices and role in the overall performance of this team over the last 12 years

And unfortunately so far I see no reason to think he's actually learned how to run a successful organization. He made a good choice with Shannahan, but the only things he does right are when he stays out of them. Last time I thought he'd learned not to be a moron by hiring Gibbs he hired Zorn and undercut him with one of the biggest oafish fiascos I've ever seen in the NFL with the Lewis experiment. What has he learned in 12 years other then to try to control himself? And then only doing it for a period of time then failing to do that.

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 8:10 pm**

1niksder wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:I hope Vinny comes out to spill the beans from his side of the story one day.

I'm waiting to hear his side
He gets plenty of airtime, weekdays from 8-10 p.m. on 105.7 The Fan in Baltimore.

I bet he signed a nice fat non-disclosure agreement when he got his buyout...

Posted: **Mon May 30, 2011 10:31 pm**

I wouldn't waste my time buying anything that a$$ prints. He is worse than Snyder. Given the choice between the two, if it came to that, I pick Snyder's side

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 8:38 am**

I agree ChiefHog44

I would give less credence to Cerrato than Snyder and I think that Snyder's an incompetent evaluator of NFL players and personnel - I think that Snyder made a lot of terrible management decisions and that Cerrato made some huge mistakes in his role as well - no wonder they earned the nickname of "dumb and dumber" - these 2 certainly made a mockery of our franchise for 12 years

btw - thanks to 1niksder for continuing to add threads like this

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 10:28 am**

Go Danny!

Posted: **Tue May 31, 2011 11:38 am**

Keep in mind Snyder came in @ 34. I really think he can mature and do this right eventually. So far, I kinda liked the draft. We'll see where things go from here. I DO know that it can't be another season of treading water.

Posted: **Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:57 am**

VetSkinsFan wrote:Keep in mind Snyder came in @ 34. I really think he can mature and do this right eventually. So far, I kinda liked the draft. We'll see where things go from here. I DO know that it can't be another season of treading water.

Posted: **Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:32 am**

Dan Snyder, Joe Gibbs and being hands-off
By Dan Steinberg
At the risk of being accused of obsession, let me write something else about Dan Snyder.

One of the frequent refrains of his post-Tony Wyllie media appearances is that Dan Snyder is now a hands-off owner. Another sometimes-twist to this refrain is that, while circumstances forced him to be hands-on during the Zorn Era, he was previously hands-off during the Gibbs Era. To wit, here’s Gibbs talking to Dan Hellie and Lindsay Czarniak last week”

“You know what’s interesting is there’s a little bit of a misperception here. When Joe Gibbs was here for over four seasons, nobody came to talk to me about football, and the same thing now. It was very similar between Mike Shanahan and Joe Gibbs, that they take command of the football team, and I love that. I mean, for me it’s easy. I don’t want to be involved. ”

Or there was this, from his interview with the gentlemen at Hogs Haven in 2010:

“I’m here, number one, for support, OK? It starts with hiring the right people and give them support and let them do their jobs and let them be successful by doing their jobs. And it ends there. It’s very simplistic. When Joe Gibbs was here for four years, you didn’t hear anything about meddling or anything at all...not a word. The last two years, you know, can be excuses, but reality is reality. We were not good for two seasons, and went in the wrong direction.”

Or there was this, from his Super Bowl interview with Jim Rome:

“It’s the same process I went through with Joe Gibbs for four years. As Joe said, he had no budget, and he exceeded it. So my role is to help sign the checks, support what they want to do and their missions in free agency, and whatever decision and route they take I’m sure will be different than what Joe did, but I’ll be the same as I was with him.”

So that’s all pretty clear. During the Gibbs Era, nobody came to talk to Snyder about football. There was no talk of meddling. Snyder only signed the checks.

Except this is what Gibbs said at the time. Like, from April, 2007:

“The three of us [Gibbs, Snyder and Cerrato] normally at the end of it try and come up with a final game plan for the draft....Dan’s philosophy is to be aggressive. We fall in the category of being more aggressive and it’s based on Dan being as aggressive as he is.”

Or this, from September, 2006:

“We talk a lot. We are back and forth all the time. We work down the hall from one another. I count on his opinion. He’s very instrumental on the draft, the salary-cap, free agency, strategy on how the team should be built.”

Or this from the Virginian-Pilot in April, 2007, about draft prep:

The highest-rated players are brought in for meetings with owner Dan Snyder, Gibbs and other organization members. A meal is arranged as a final effort to find any nugget of new information....Snyder, Gibbs and Cerrato also will meet during this period to review how well certain prospects might fit in the organization.

Or this, from the AP in 2007:

Gibbs is holding several days of talks with owner Dan Snyder about the direction of the team. The coach said he’s “willing to talk about anything,” but he called “incorrect” any assumptions that he was open to hiring a general manager or that he would change the team’s aggressive approach in making offseason moves.

Or this from the Washington Times in 2007, which reported that Snyder had attended two draft workouts, including that of Calvin Johnson:

“[Johnson’s workout] was really impressive,” Snyder said. “We’ve had dinner with 25 of the first-round picks, and we tried to cover as much ground as we could in a limited amount of time.”

So, at the risk of being obsessed, let me point out that during the Gibbs Era, there was no meddling and nobody talked to Dan Snyder about football and all he did was sign the checks, and also the draft strategy was based on his philosophy and he was instrumental in shaping the team’s free agency approach and he met with draft prospects and watched their workouts.

Got it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/dan-snyder-joe-gibbs-and-being-hands-off/2011/06/03/AGi1ryHH_blog.html

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:19 pm**

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:An owner trying to avoid the fundamental responsibility for his choices and role in the overall performance of this team over the last 12 years

And unfortunately so far I see no reason to think he's actually learned how to run a successful organization. He made a good choice with Shannahan, but the only things he does right are when he stays out of them. Last time I thought he'd learned not to be a moron by hiring Gibbs he hired Zorn and undercut him with one of the biggest oafish fiascos I've ever seen in the NFL with the Lewis experiment. What has he learned in 12 years other then to try to control himself? And then only doing it for a period of time then failing to do that.

Made the right choice with Shanahan in what way?
As a coach, yes.
As a Front Office leader? Based on what?
That's why he was fired in Denver.
Thus far, Haynesworth and McNabb glare as examples that Danny may have screwed the pooch yet again.
Mike gave 3 veteran RBs primary snaps in Training Camp. All 3 busted for the season.
His Offensive Line choices left Donovan running for his skin and playing hurt.
His switch form top 10 4-3 to catfish 3-4 was a failure.
His two best WRs were left over from Vinny.
All of the Defensive players he brought in busted.

So just where is it the Mike was the right choice to run the Front Office?
He hasn't proven anything.... yet.
I'm open to waiting on his success, but it's not happening as of today.

To think that Dan Snyder has even the talent to recognize and hire a football mind to manage his team is serious doubt.
There is no proof at all that Dan can even do THAT much.
He hired two names the fans would like.
That's it. Something else to get you people who still buy things to buy more and stuff money in his pockets.

What Dan is doing with his lawsuits and this lie about his involvement is nothing but him wanting to be in a position to grab some cookies of fame should Mike succeed.

IF the Redskins do succeed, it will be despite Dan Snyder, not because of him.

Add "Liar" to the list of Snyder descriptions. Everybody knows that Gibbs said that he, Vinny and Dan made the personnel decisions. Everybody should know Dan's policy that they had to him what he was spending the money on. "It's Dan's money". Do you guys remember that line?

And if Dan is not involved in the process, then why was he interviewing players at the Combine this year?

Total rubbish. He's the same money grubbing, self-obsessed creep he has always been.

Don't let my words mislead you.
I hate him.

Posted: **Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:32 pm**

KCskin wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:An owner trying to avoid the fundamental responsibility for his choices and role in the overall performance of this team over the last 12 years

And unfortunately so far I see no reason to think he's actually learned how to run a successful organization. He made a good choice with Shannahan, but the only things he does right are when he stays out of them. Last time I thought he'd learned not to be a moron by hiring Gibbs he hired Zorn and undercut him with one of the biggest oafish fiascos I've ever seen in the NFL with the Lewis experiment. What has he learned in 12 years other then to try to control himself? And then only doing it for a period of time then failing to do that.

Made the right choice with Shanahan in what way?
As a coach, yes.
As a Front Office leader? Based on what?
That's why he was fired in Denver.
Thus far, Haynesworth and McNabb glare as examples that Danny may have screwed the pooch yet again.
Mike gave 3 veteran RBs primary snaps in Training Camp. All 3 busted for the season.
His Offensive Line choices left Donovan running for his skin and playing hurt.
His switch form top 10 4-3 to catfish 3-4 was a failure.
His two best WRs were left over from Vinny.
All of the Defensive players he brought in busted.

So just where is it the Mike was the right choice to run the Front Office?
He hasn't proven anything.... yet.
I'm open to waiting on his success, but it's not happening as of today.

Haynesworth was NOT a Shanahan FO decision. Keeping Haynesworth was a coaching decision. You have admitted that Shanahan was the right choice as coach. Yes, he did blunder with McNabb as an FO guy and maybe as a coach, but what FO guy or coach has never made a blunder? Unfortunately, for Shanahan, his blunder came on the heels of several Redskin FO blunders.

What coach would have let Portis go under the same circumstances especially given Portis' salary? Why not kick the old guys' tires for such a low cost? How was that a bad strategy given what they had on the team and given that Shananhan is looking for a specific kind of back for his offense?

His switch to a 3-4 last year was a long term decision. Once again, you said that he was the right choice as coach. Now, Shanny knows what he needs and has experienced guys to teach the new guys.

Shanny's O line? Well let's look at Shanny's O-line. TRent was a rookie - good FO draft choice. (Hmm) Brown was still feelingng the effects of his surgery but they got him for next to nothing (swapping a 4th for a 5th). Was that a bad FO move given what we had. Speaking of what we had, Heyer was pressed into starting duty. Big Mike Williams unexpectedly was out and that forced a back up, Artis, into the starting line up. Rabach is rabach. Shanny chose not to sign old big name guys like Faneca and gut it out (Good FO decision). His O line improved during the year with reserves and cast offs such as Kory and Montgomery. His patchwork O-line beat the Titans on their home turf. One of the reasons, McNabb might have been brought in is because Shanny knew that he needed a mobile QB with that line (Hmm).

Two best WR's were left over from Vinny? - Vinny did acquire AA, but did AA play under Vinny's regime? Give Shanny some credit in giving a practice squad guy a shot. Give Joe a little credit for Moss - after all he said it was OK for Laverneous to vacate - not Vinny. Don't see your point on this one anyway. Talent is talent and Shanny kept those two talented receivers.

All of the defensive players he brought in - busted? Carriker obtained for nothing busted? Get Real. Again, in free agency, Shanny chose to sign low cost guys and wait for this year's free agency (Good FO decision).

Shanny may have talked about winning last year, but his actions said that his priority was to gear up for this year. The switch in defensive schemes and holding off on old highed priced vets to gear up for free agency this year.

KCskin said, "I'm open to waiting on his success, but it's not happening as of today."

No, you are not open to waiting on his success. You are open to bashing which you are entitled too, but why not just be honest and say it. If you were open you wouldn't be so one sidedly negative. If you were open you would look at the OJ Atogwe signing and say, Shanny signed a good player that fits his defensive scheme and didn't break the bank. If you were open, you would wait until this free agency period happens before you continued your bashing. If you were open, you would be talking about Shanny's handling of the draft and how he turned 8 picks into 13, at one point. If you were open, you would come up with better examples to try to prove your point and look at all of his FO decisions instead of the ones you deemed a failure (Haynesworth wasn't even his FO decision). If you were open, you would recognize that we are in the middle of a labor dispute and they ain't much Shanny can do as of today. Quit claiming you are open, when your words say you are a hater. You admit how you feel about Danny, but claiming that you are open to waiting on Shanny's success and saying all that you said, makes you sound like what you claim Danny is.

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:20 am**

KCskin wrote:Don't let my words mislead you.
I hate him.

How would your words have "mislead" me? Every word said you hate him. There's no point in debating that. The point of my post was even hugely critical of Danny and you went off on a statement in it that I think he made one right decision, and you would hear none of it. You are very trusting of the media believing every hack journalist's deadline conjecture as fact.

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:58 am**

Haters cannot look at the situation here without finding something bad - they are biased and unreasonable

We had many years with an owner that wanted good things for our Redskins but had no clue about owning or managing an NFL franchise

I don't hate Snyder but I'm glad that he brought in one of the very few HCs that could get this franchise straightened out - maybe the only one

we shall see how things go here after a season that was not very good but was certainly a step in the right direction

Snyder does deserve some credit (if only a little) for bringing in Shanahan and letting him be in charge here
although, his failures should have led him to giving up control a lot sooner

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:11 am**

I'd rather have Daniel Snyder than Mike Brown, Al Davis, and several owners. He's no Kraft, or Rooney, but he's not the worst there is.

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:16 am**

Daniel Snyder has accumulated so many enemies among fans, players, coaches, former employes, former associates and business partners, and members of the media that he rightfully deserves to be mocked, laughed at and criticised by any and everyone of them.

His tenure as owner of this team is only comparable in misery and pain to those brought to fans by Preston Marshall. Even the greatest coach in my lifetime, Joe Gibbs, could not win with that Front Office.

A Redskin fan is a TRUE fan in spite of the owner who has brought nothing but failure and ridicule to this team. There is a WHOLE 12 years of failure and many terrible decisions against the Team and the fans.

The fact that a good size of the fanbase is already fed up should not surprise anybody. Many fans love their team but have given up on Snyder for as long as he owns the team. I disagree with the assessment made on Shanahan. However, NOBODY can deny that the "new Danny" is a LIAR this time around. He WAS INVOLVED. He IS INVOLVED. He WILL BE INVOLVED. He can be controlled and guided for worse under Cerrato or better as it may have happened during Gibbs before and Shanahan now BUT he is involved.

Daniel Snyder does not care how long it takes him to win (if ever) as long as he keeps on making bundles of money losing.

We are different: we fans are with the Skins for MEMORIES and LOYALTY. Danny is in for the MONEY and the EGO.

No sympathy for Daniel Snyder EVER from me.

Give Shanahan a chance even if the owner may not have too much patience a year from now. :roll:

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:22 am**

The Hogster wrote:I'd rather have Daniel Snyder than Mike Brown, Al Davis, and several owners. He's no Kraft, or Rooney, but he's not the worst there is.

Yes, I agree. He is mediocre at best. Not even good enough to be number 1 at being the worst. :lol:

However, my dear brother, Al Davis is senile now. BUT Al is acquainted with Lombardi Trophies. He had a team which defeated perhaps the BEST Skins team of all time in a Superbowl. Daniel Snyder BOUGHT three trophies won by Jack Kent Cooke and they are polished every year.

So, Davis NOW, maybe. Davis on balance, definitely not.

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:32 am**

Redskin in Canada wrote:
The Hogster wrote:I'd rather have Daniel Snyder than Mike Brown, Al Davis, and several owners. He's no Kraft, or Rooney, but he's not the worst there is.
Yes, I agree. He is mediocre at best. Not even good enough to be number 1 at being the worst.

However, my dear brother, Al Davis is senile now. BUT Al is acquainted with Lombardi Trophies. He had a team which defeated perhaps the BEST Skins team of all time in a Superbowl. Daniel Snyder BOUGHT three trophies won by Jack Kent Cooke and they are polished every year.

So, Davis NOW, maybe. Davis on balance, definitely not.

Of course, Davis' body of work is better than Danny's. I'd take a winner over the years of futility Danny has overseen. I'm looking at this more from the standpoint that the fans of the Raiders and Bengals must feel like their teams are being held hostage perhaps moreseo than we do.

Danny is trying hard to win, he just doesn't know how.

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:27 pm**

The Hogster wrote: ... Danny is trying hard to win, he just doesn't know how.

NOT A CLUE :roll:

what's even worse is that he still thinks the past 12 years are not primarily due to his ownership and managing

I guess we really can't discuss something that doesn't even exist :wink:

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:35 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:
The Hogster wrote: ... Danny is trying hard to win, he just doesn't know how.

NOT A CLUE

He fired Vinny, so maybe he's getting one

SkinsJock wrote:what's even worse is that he still thinks the past 12 years are not primarily due to his ownership and managing

You can put some of this mess on the fact that he owns the team but the bulk of it goes to the fact he tried to manage the team. Maybe he's stopped doing that when he fired Vinny..... we shall see

SkinsJock wrote:I guess we really can't discuss something that doesn't even exist

We do that all the time

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:57 pm**

Redskin in Canada wrote:Daniel Snyder does not care how long it takes him to win (if ever) as long as he keeps on making bundles of money losing

I agree with you he's a terrible owner, but I disagree with you on this. I think he is a fan of the Washington Redskins, he just doesn't know how to manage a performance organization

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:58 pm**

The Hogster wrote:Danny is trying hard to win, he just doesn't know how.

Exactly. Then again we almost always do see things alike...

Posted: **Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:40 pm**

From 1niksder's author post:

His involvement in football operations:

Quote:

“You know what’s interesting is there’s a little bit of a misperception here.When Joe Gibbs was here for over four seasons, nobody came to talk to me about football, and the same thing now. It was very similar between Mike Shanahan and Joe Gibbs, that they take command of the football team, and I love that.

Upon Joe Gibbs being hired as Head Coach and President of Football Operations, this article ran:

Vinny Cerrato will remain as vice president of football operations, but Gibbs will have final say on which players make his roster. However, draft choices, trades and signings will be decided in a three-person consensus format among Gibbs, Cerrato and owner Daniel Snyder, sources told Mortensen.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1702079

Danny said:

When Joe Gibbs was here for over four seasons, nobody came to talk to me about football, and the same thing now

Was Danny being honest here?

I disagree with KCskin's view of Shanahan and I don't hate Danny like KCskin does, but I do agree with him.

KCskin wrote:

Add "Liar" to the list of Snyder descriptions. Everybody knows that Gibbs said that he, Vinny and Dan made the personnel decisions. Everybody should know Dan's policy that they had to him what he was spending the money on. "It's Dan's money". Do you guys remember that line?

And if Dan is not involved in the process, then why was he interviewing players at the Combine this year?

Redskin in Canada wrote:

However, NOBODY can deny that the "new Danny" is a LIAR this time around. He WAS INVOLVED. He IS INVOLVED. He WILL BE INVOLVED. He can be controlled and guided for worse under Cerrato or better as it may have happened during Gibbs before and Shanahan now BUT he is involved.

I agree with RiC as well.

As KC said everybody knew that it was a "three-person consensus format among Gibbs, Cerrato and Danny. The player trades and free agent aquisiitions under Gibbs supposrts that this format was a reality. 1. Letting Ryan Clark and Antonio Pierce go even though Gregg Williams loved these two. 2. Signing Archuleta even though he did not fit Gregg's defense. 3. Signing Brandon Lloyd even though he wasn't a Gibbs character guy. 4. Trading for T.J. Duckett. and letting him go after the season basically renting him for a third round pick and he didn't even start a game. No way Vinny makes Gibbs or influences Gibbs to make these kinds of personnel decisions. Gibbs is not really known as a personnel guy, but no way Gibbs goes against his DC over good character Redskin guys without somebody influencing him. No way he goes against his DC and picks up somebody that doesn't fit without somebody influencing him. I know that this is not news to a lot of you, but Danny says:

When Joe Gibbs was here for over four seasons, nobody came to talk to me about football, and the same thing now

No way that nobody talked football with him when Gibbs was there. Since that is not true, the "and the same thing now" that Danny adds to the end of the sentence, raises questions. I don't believe that Danny is not part of a three person format of any kind with Shanny and Allen, but when a successful coach like Shanahan makes an inexplicable player transaction like McNabb, it smells of the Danny. I am not saying that Shanny was forced to take on McNabb. Afterall, McNabb had some enticing qualities and Shanny had the ego to feel that he could make it work. Here is the similarity with Gibbs. Gibbs goes against his DC to pick up and get rid of players. Clearly, at the Danny's influence. Gibbs could have said no, but we all know that Gibbs seemed to want to be Danny's "yes man" - always praising the Danny. Shanny goes against his OC to pick up a player. Not because Danny said so, but because Danny probably asked (He saw marketing value in McNabb). Shanny could have said no as well and he in no way comes across acting like Danny's "yes man." Shanny's ego said that he could make it work for Kyle and everything would be alright. True, it is still Shanny's blunder because he could have said no and because he didn't manage the situation right, but Danny isn't telling the truth about "nobody talking football with him" under Gibbs and Shanahan. If what I believe is true, again, it doesn't absolve Shanny at all, but it sheds light on how Shanny could have made such an error in the first place - Like Gibbs, Shanny should not have gone against his coordinator in his coordinator's choice in personnel. For both Gibbs and Shanahan, going against this fundamental of coaching brought disastrous results. Fortunately, Shanny has time to repair the damage and get the ship in the right direction.

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