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Another good post from the same NFL Scout that wrote: Mike Shanahan: Running Backs Build His Teams
http://thexlog.com/201105091048/xtra-po ... his-teams/


Why Albert Haynesworth to the Philadelphia Eagles
http://thexlog.com/201105201105/xtra-po ... kes-sense/

It's more about the Eagles then us, but I can't wait to get rid of this guy!!!!!

Haynesworth will NOT be playing for the Eagles.

Countertrey wrote:Haynesworth will NOT be playing for the Eagles.

True, but I hope we're still able to offload him onto them. He'd look good in those green sweatpants on the sidelines . . .

Irn-Bru wrote:He'd look good in those green sweatpants on the sidelines . . .

Or teal-puke, or black, or whatever it is that counts as their "colors" these days.

Trade him to Denver for Orton or a bag of Funyons. They passed on M. Dareus, maybe they would bite. I think he will be released though.

I have a hard time imagining a head coach any where in the league who thinks to himself, let's trade away draft picks for Haynesworth because he will be an asset to our defense. To be an asset to any team, Haynesworth will have to convince other teams that he is not the complete headache of a player that spent the past couple years in Washington.

For a coach to have any interest, several criteria will likely need to be met.

1. the coach will have to already know Haynesworth so there is some relationship in place. There needs to be some past experience that Haynesworth will like this coach's system and will do the requisite work to be a decent NFL player.

2. This coach must not be running a 3-4 or ask Haynesworth to occupy blockers

3. This coach must have a current need of a DT.

4. This defense must have some existing veteran leadership to keep Haynesworth in check, (if that is even possible)

So the only real candidates are:

Fisher, who is not currently coaching any where and didn't seem interested in bringing Haynesworth back to Tennessee last year.

Gregg Williams, Saints has history with Haynesworth and the right defensive system, but they just signed Shaun Rogers and already have Sedrick Ellis at the other DT spot, so very doubtful landing place for Haynesworth.

Jim Schwartz, Lions, meets the criteria, except they've drafted a DT in the 1st round two years in a row, Suh and Fairley.

Washburn, Eagles, I agree this may be the only place left that makes sense. Question is, if the Eagles were interested, why didn't they trade for him last year when they had the chance? AND, would they really want another NFL East trade? AND, Washburn is not the HC or Coordinator. What are the chances that both Andy Reid and the Eagles DC will put their reputations on the line for Haynesworth?

I just don't see a coach, with no prior Haynesworth relationship or experience, going out on a limb. No one will believe anything Haynesworth says and who wants to roll the dice that he will come in and truly work hard? If a team does roll the dice, it will not be a trade but as a free agent. And it will be with a heavily protected contract, with a small bonus and lots of "out" clauses. Therefore, I see the Skins releasing Haynesworth.

fleetus wrote:I have a hard time imagining a head coach any where in the league who thinks to himself, let's trade away draft picks for Haynesworth because he will be an asset to our defense. To be an asset to any team, Haynesworth will have to convince other teams that he is not the complete headache of a player that spent the past couple years in Washington.

For a coach to have any interest, several criteria will likely need to be met.

1. the coach will have to already know Haynesworth so there is some relationship in place. There needs to be some past experience that Haynesworth will like this coach's system and will do the requisite work to be a decent NFL player.

2. This coach must not be running a 3-4 or ask Haynesworth to occupy blockers

3. This coach must have a current need of a DT.

4. This defense must have some existing veteran leadership to keep Haynesworth in check, (if that is even possible)

So the only real candidates are:

Fisher, who is not currently coaching any where and didn't seem interested in bringing Haynesworth back to Tennessee last year.

Gregg Williams, Saints has history with Haynesworth and the right defensive system, but they just signed Shaun Rogers and already have Sedrick Ellis at the other DT spot, so very doubtful landing place for Haynesworth.

Jim Schwartz, Lions, meets the criteria, except they've drafted a DT in the 1st round two years in a row, Suh and Fairley.

Washburn, Eagles, I agree this may be the only place left that makes sense. Question is, if the Eagles were interested, why didn't they trade for him last year when they had the chance? AND, would they really want another NFL East trade? AND, Washburn is not the HC or Coordinator. What are the chances that both Andy Reid and the Eagles DC will put their reputations on the line for Haynesworth?

I just don't see a coach, with no prior Haynesworth relationship or experience, going out on a limb. No one will believe anything Haynesworth says and who wants to roll the dice that he will come in and truly work hard? If a team does roll the dice, it will not be a trade but as a free agent. And it will be with a heavily protected contract, with a small bonus and lots of "out" clauses. Therefore, I see the Skins releasing Haynesworth.

Good points! Eagles turned down an offere of Haynesworth in the McNabb trade. The only way to make Hayneworth be of value is to make the defense around him which is what the Titans did. In 2009, Jim Schwartz, coach of the Lions, gutted us for nearly 200 yards rushing right at Hayneworth being used as a conventional DT. His technique is very poor. His best skill is pass rushing with no other responsibilities. Haynesworth stomped on Dallas' Gourade's head because Gourade was eating his lunch. I am not convinced yet, that Shanahan is through with Haynesworth. I still think that Shanny will pull the "play my way or sit" mode for one more season. We all know that Shanny is one stubborn guy. Bonus is the word that makes Haynesworth work. I agree with you that if he is released that will be the type of contract, he will get.

Red_One43 wrote:

fleetus wrote:I have a hard time imagining a head coach any where in the league who thinks to himself, let's trade away draft picks for Haynesworth because he will be an asset to our defense. To be an asset to any team, Haynesworth will have to convince other teams that he is not the complete headache of a player that spent the past couple years in Washington.

For a coach to have any interest, several criteria will likely need to be met.

1. the coach will have to already know Haynesworth so there is some relationship in place. There needs to be some past experience that Haynesworth will like this coach's system and will do the requisite work to be a decent NFL player.

2. This coach must not be running a 3-4 or ask Haynesworth to occupy blockers

3. This coach must have a current need of a DT.

4. This defense must have some existing veteran leadership to keep Haynesworth in check, (if that is even possible)

So the only real candidates are:

Fisher, who is not currently coaching any where and didn't seem interested in bringing Haynesworth back to Tennessee last year.

Gregg Williams, Saints has history with Haynesworth and the right defensive system, but they just signed Shaun Rogers and already have Sedrick Ellis at the other DT spot, so very doubtful landing place for Haynesworth.

Jim Schwartz, Lions, meets the criteria, except they've drafted a DT in the 1st round two years in a row, Suh and Fairley.

Washburn, Eagles, I agree this may be the only place left that makes sense. Question is, if the Eagles were interested, why didn't they trade for him last year when they had the chance? AND, would they really want another NFL East trade? AND, Washburn is not the HC or Coordinator. What are the chances that both Andy Reid and the Eagles DC will put their reputations on the line for Haynesworth?

I just don't see a coach, with no prior Haynesworth relationship or experience, going out on a limb. No one will believe anything Haynesworth says and who wants to roll the dice that he will come in and truly work hard? If a team does roll the dice, it will not be a trade but as a free agent. And it will be with a heavily protected contract, with a small bonus and lots of "out" clauses. Therefore, I see the Skins releasing Haynesworth.

Good points! Eagles turned down an offere of Haynesworth in the McNabb trade. The only way to make Hayneworth be of value is to make the defense around him which is what the Titans did. In 2009, Jim Schwartz, coach of the Lions, gutted us for nearly 200 yards rushing right at Hayneworth being used as a conventional DT. His technique is very poor. His best skill is pass rushing with no other responsibilities. Haynesworth stomped on Dallas' Gourade's head because Gourade was eating his lunch. I am not convinced yet, that Shanahan is through with Haynesworth. I still think that Shanny will pull the "play my way or sit" mode for one more season. We all know that Shanny is one stubborn guy. Bonus is the word that makes Haynesworth work. I agree with you that if he is released that will be the type of contract, he will get.

You may be right about Shanahan's stubborness. In fact, I'm starting to suspect that stubborness is what has jeapardized the relationship with McNabb. But is there ANY justification for subjecting the team to another year of this Haynesworth mess and all the media badgering that goes with it, just to make one player pay for what he did to the franchise? I hope not.

There will be someone who will be willing to trade away a pick for Albert but there will need to be several factors come into play. I think given the current situation in Minnesotta, that could be a landing spot. The Williams' are getting up in age and also are suspended for a good part of the year. They also still play the 4/3 as well.

I have a feeling we will release him before he can be yet another distraction to the team this year. And to be totally honest, I could really care less at this point.

part of me wants Haynesworth gone

another part has me hoping that he sees himself as a huge failure when he looks back on his time in the NFL



I still hope we can get something for him - I paid for manure for my garden this weekend

SkinsJock wrote:part of me wants Haynesworth gone

another part has me hoping that he sees himself as a huge failure when he looks back on his time in the NFL

Is there a problem with wanting both SJ? lol

frankcal20 wrote:There will be someone who will be willing to trade away a pick for Albert but there will need to be several factors come into play. I think given the current situation in Minnesotta, that could be a landing spot. The Williams' are getting up in age and also are suspended for a good part of the year. They also still play the 4/3 as well.

I have a feeling we will release him before he can be yet another distraction to the team this year. And to be totally honest, I could really care less at this point.

Snyder's not going to release him unless we get a real offer or he pays money back, ala Arrington. No one's going to make us a real offer because he's so contaminated himself and even if they're interested they'll wait to see if we cut him and he's not going to give back any money. So this is not going to end anytime soon. I'd say they play a game where he has to come in and do enough to not warrant the Skins being able to force him to pay back money.

I was listening to one of the radio shows on ESPN 980 (DC area) around 11:45am and listened to the guys talk about Pro Football Focus rating Albert Haynesworth as the 3rd best Defensive Tackle in the NFL.
We all know that rating usually aren't worth the cyberspace they are written in; however, the talk that intrigued me is the case that they were making for someone make a play for him at a bargain price. One point they made was there is always some defensive coordinator out there that thinks that they can do better with a player. We all know the formula for Haynesworth put him n a 4-3, let him freelance and dangle a large bonus incentive in front of his face.

3. Albert Haynesworth, Washington Redskins

Fair to say things haven’t gone exactly to plan in Washington for the former Titan. Staggeringly though, when he’s been on the field he continues to be as good a DT as there is out there (even though he may be as scrutinized a defensive player as there is). Despite the pretty low sack totals in Washington, in his first year there, he was a top five defensive tackle and not that far off his best year. Even last year he generated pressure in the sub package defense. If you can get him playing his best then he’s a bargain whatever the price.

Grade: +60.75

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20 ... e-tackles/

Red_One43 wrote:I was listening to one of the radio shows on ESPN 980 (DC area) around 11:45am and listened to the guys talk about Pro Football Focus rating Albert Haynesworth as the 3rd best Defensive Tackle in the NFL.
We all know that rating usually aren't worth the cyberspace they are written in; however, the talk that intrigued me is the case that they were making for someone make a play for him at a bargain price. One point they made was there is always some defensive coordinator out there that thinks that they can do better with a player. We all know the formula for Haynesworth put him n a 4-3, let him freelance and dangle a large bonus incentive in front of his face.

3. Albert Haynesworth, Washington Redskins

Fair to say things haven’t gone exactly to plan in Washington for the former Titan. Staggeringly though, when he’s been on the field he continues to be as good a DT as there is out there (even though he may be as scrutinized a defensive player as there is). Despite the pretty low sack totals in Washington, in his first year there, he was a top five defensive tackle and not that far off his best year. Even last year he generated pressure in the sub package defense. If you can get him playing his best then he’s a bargain whatever the price.

Grade: +60.75

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20 ... e-tackles/

That says it all....

fleetus wrote:I have a hard time imagining a head coach any where in the league who thinks to himself, let's trade away draft picks for Haynesworth because he will be an asset to our defense. To be an asset to any team, Haynesworth will have to convince other teams that he is not the complete headache of a player that spent the past couple years in Washington.

For a coach to have any interest, several criteria will likely need to be met.

1. the coach will have to already know Haynesworth so there is some relationship in place. There needs to be some past experience that Haynesworth will like this coach's system and will do the requisite work to be a decent NFL player.

2. This coach must not be running a 3-4 or ask Haynesworth to occupy blockers

3. This coach must have a current need of a DT.

4. This defense must have some existing veteran leadership to keep Haynesworth in check, (if that is even possible)

So the only real candidates are:

Fisher, who is not currently coaching any where and didn't seem interested in bringing Haynesworth back to Tennessee last year.

Gregg Williams, Saints has history with Haynesworth and the right defensive system, but they just signed Shaun Rogers and already have Sedrick Ellis at the other DT spot, so very doubtful landing place for Haynesworth.

Jim Schwartz, Lions, meets the criteria, except they've drafted a DT in the 1st round two years in a row, Suh and Fairley.

Washburn, Eagles, I agree this may be the only place left that makes sense. Question is, if the Eagles were interested, why didn't they trade for him last year when they had the chance? AND, would they really want another NFL East trade? AND, Washburn is not the HC or Coordinator. What are the chances that both Andy Reid and the Eagles DC will put their reputations on the line for Haynesworth?

I just don't see a coach, with no prior Haynesworth relationship or experience, going out on a limb. No one will believe anything Haynesworth says and who wants to roll the dice that he will come in and truly work hard? If a team does roll the dice, it will not be a trade but as a free agent. And it will be with a heavily protected contract, with a small bonus and lots of "out" clauses. Therefore, I see the Skins releasing Haynesworth.

I disagree. Those who know him won't touch him.

He'll need to get that wallow reflex under control...

I just cannot accept that an NFL player that does not try to help the players around him, each and every play he's on the field for can be looked at as worth anything

this is the ultimate "team game" and you need all the parts to make an effort

Haynesworth CLEARLY showed what he's worth on more than a few plays = NOTHING

SkinsJock wrote:I just cannot accept that an NFL player that does not try to help the players around him, each and every play he's on the field for can be looked at as worth anything

this is the ultimate "team game" and you need all the parts to make an effort

Haynesworth CLEARLY showed what he's worth on more than a few plays = NOTHING

Try not to say that so loud, we're trying to get something for the guy.

Red_One43 wrote: .. we're trying to get something for the guy.

I would love it - I just hope he's gone

this fat waste is one of the best examples of why this franchise should NEVER AGAIN just bring in the best player available

I think Mike & Bruce will decide what to do with this slob (with Snyder's support) AND that decision will be what they feel is best for this franchise

Redskins will not release Haynesworth quickly after the lockout.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells the Philadelphia Sports Daily that the Redskins will not release Albert Haynesworth quickly after the lockout.
"They are not going to cut him," the source said. "If the Eagles or anyone else wants him it is going to have to be by trade. Because if they cut him, that’s giving him his way." It's no secret that the division rival Eagles would pounce all over Haynesworth if he became a free agent. Washington may end up holding onto Haynesworth for all of August if its trade demands aren't met. Source: Philadelphia Sports Daily Jul 7, 10:05

http://rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/2061 ... worth?rw=1

http://phillysportsdaily.com/eagles/201 ... les-union/

^^^ now that makes sense - that's like sticking it in the fat man's ample posterior .... SIDEWAYS

Haynesworth‘s contract will pay him a guaranteed $5.4 million this season. That is reason enough for the Redskins to exhaust all trade options before cutting him loose. And there is apparently extra motivation to go in that direction as well.

The $5.4 million was the last of the guaranteed money Haynesworth had coming to him. Because Albert chose to do something other than OTAs and mini-camps last year, his 2011 will not be guaranteed.

So if they do keep him they only have to wait for one or more teams to lose a D Lineman because of the abbreviated training camps and no OTAs

1niksder wrote:

Haynesworth‘s contract will pay him a guaranteed $5.4 million this season. That is reason enough for the Redskins to exhaust all trade options before cutting him loose. And there is apparently extra motivation to go in that direction as well.

The $5.4 million was the last of the guaranteed money Haynesworth had coming to him. Because Albert chose to do something other than OTAs and mini-camps last year, his 2011 will not be guaranteed.

So if they do keep him they only have to wait for one or more teams to lose a D Lineman because of the abbreviated training camps and no OTAs

we know what sort of shape the fat man will be in when the NFL gets back to business - I hope we get to see footage of him in the early days of camp

I wonder what the Vegas line is on the % of defensive plays this slob will be able to be a part of this season

As a fan I think I might be speaking for alot of us. The thing is I dont want Albert Haynesworth somehow rededicating himself and being on the Eagles. We all know Al has the talent. So what makes me as a Skins fan want to see him in an Eagles uniform?

No way do I think it is a good idea. Unless and I mean unless we get some major compensation. Other then that I hate the way the whole thing went down. What a waste. Heck I would even be open to Shanahan mending the relationship(not likely).

I want BAllen to just send him to the Raiders for a couple draft picks. Sounds good to me. We should have just traded him straight up for Namdi straight up last year and then give Nnamdi a fat contract. Namdi at least performed for a miserable club. Unlike Al who hardly played and was just a headache.

Nnamdi performed for a miserable club? The Raiders went 8-8 last year.