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Free agent CB Carlos Rogers made it clear Wednesday night that he doesn't expect to re-sign with the Redskins, while also taking shots at DeAngelo Hall.

"I wasn't the corner that gave up the most touchdowns or yards or first downs," said Rogers, speaking directly about Hall. "But I'm the corner that is looked at (as) the second corner, (management feels) I need to be replaced." Asked if he regrets anything he's said, Rogers replied "I don't care. I ain't say nothing that ain't true." He could be as high as the third best corner available on the open market, depending on free agency rules.

WOW! I didn't realize how much of a jerk this guy was. I knew that he wanted a new deal last year, but he is throwing his teammates under the bus. Good riddance. Let's sign Nnamdi Asomugha!!! Class act and shutdown corner....check!

well, all of that is true. if he could just learn to catch it wouldn't be an issue. If Hall didn't get so many picks he would have to go, his cover skills are atrocious.

He was on the Junkies this morning also. I didn't hear all of the interview but here are some pieces of info I remember...

He has put his house up for sale.
Looking forward to being an unrestricted FA. Has a feeling that the team doesn't want him back.
Big Al wasn't a distraction last year. The players had enough to deal with learning a new system that they didn't have time to pay attention to that.
Team didn't have the personnel to run a 3-4 last year.
Williams was his favorite DC. Blache his least favorite.
Thinks that McNabb still has skills. Said he struggled because he was under a lot of pressure and didn't know the system.
He would start Rex over Beck.
JC got a raw deal. Never addressed oline for him. Did well in Oakland.
Skins focused on signing the big name free agents, and not finding players that fit on the team. Team doesn't take care of its own. Players leave here and thrive on their new teams. Thinks that Shanahan is going to change this approach.
Confirmed issues between McNabb and the coaching staff.

It's fun to speculate right now but let's see what really happens when we get back to reality

I would imagine the defensive coaches (or maybe even Mike) will have a discussion with Rogers about what the Redskins want to accomplish with their defense and how he fits in here - if he wants out I'm sure he will not be here but I don't think he's going to be made to feel unwanted

I'd love to get Asomugha IF we lose Rogers BUT I doubt that Asomugha is choosing this franchise over the Cowboys or the Eagles and I think he's going to be the highest paid CB ever

Speculate about what? He's been talking like that for a looooooooong time.

Sorry, but if you get mad because the fans don't like you, you have problems. Get over yourself jerk.

.. and I NEVER liked him anyways even though I always gave him his props for being a ball deflector... when in some cases it lost the game for us. . still I never held that against him because its a team thing.

Hit the road jack, this is ONE fan that won't miss ya..

.. and of course he'll join another team and they'll win a SB and he'll start talking crap about DC. Seems to be the norm.

- half glass empty

langleyparkjoe wrote:Speculate about what? He's been talking like that for a looooooooong time.

Sorry, but if you get mad because the fans don't like you, you have problems. Get over yourself jerk.

.. and I NEVER liked him anyways even though I always gave him his props for being a ball deflector... when in some cases it lost the game for us. . still I never held that against him because its a team thing.

Hit the road jack, this is ONE fan that won't miss ya..

Speculate, hypothesize, discuss, postulate ... call it what you want

I'm not a Rogers fan at all but if the DBs coach (or Haslett) wants him here AND he wants to be a part of this defense, I think there's a good chance that the guys in charge will not listen to you or me


there's a lot of BS going on and a lot of guys are sayin' things they don't really mean


I'm only sayin ...

brad7686 wrote:well, all of that is true. if he could just learn to catch it wouldn't be an issue. If Hall didn't get so many picks he would have to go, his cover skills are atrocious.

I agree. Rogers is a good corner but the man cannot hold onto the football. I'd like to see him stay, but if he does leave at least I won't want to rip my hair out everytime he drops an easy pick. Of course if he does leave he'll probably go to a different team and catch everything that comes his way...

It makes Rogers look bad, but you can't dispute the truth of a lot of what he's saying. Though I wish he would admit that his drop problem is an issue . . . every time I hear from him, it's because he thinks he's undervalued or is being slighted.

if we let him walk and dont get namdi or another legit starter we would be taking a big step back. hope these rookies are ready.....not going to be....i say make amends. our secondary would be set just another thing we dont have to worry about. if we can upgrade do it, if not bring "cash" back

Wouldn't be surprised to see us go after Asomugha. He'll be 30 this summer and is still an elite CB. Cowboys can't compete money-wise. Jerry has all his cash tied up in that monster stadium. Danny will outbid all others. I like the trade of Rogers for Asomugha! If we pulled the trigger on this, we'd have the best backfield, starters and reservers, in the league easily. It allows Haslett to play the defense he wants to.

Rogers has wanted out of Washington for a couple years. I don't see anything in the things posted that he supposedly said that is not 1) true and 2) he hasn't said before. Maybe Thompson will be able to replace Rogers. Hope! Hope!

I thought it was interesting what he didn't say. Though he clearly singled out Hall, he didn't say anything outright bad about Shanahan or Haslett.
I guess he hasn't quite shut the door on his end.

TeeterSalad wrote:

brad7686 wrote:well, all of that is true. if he could just learn to catch it wouldn't be an issue. If Hall didn't get so many picks he would have to go, his cover skills are atrocious.

I agree. Rogers is a good corner but the man cannot hold onto the football. I'd like to see him stay, but if he does leave at least I won't want to rip my hair out everytime he drops an easy pick. Of course if he does leave he'll probably go to a different team and catch everything that comes his way...

Is there any doubt that if Rogers held onto 5 our of every 10 balls that hit his hands, he would be considered the most dangerous corner in football? He has mad cover skills, and can tackle... but quarterbacks are willing to challenge him because they probably won't get hurt.

'los has to get a clue... and a little stickum...

Countertrey wrote:

TeeterSalad wrote:

brad7686 wrote:well, all of that is true. if he could just learn to catch it wouldn't be an issue. If Hall didn't get so many picks he would have to go, his cover skills are atrocious.

I agree. Rogers is a good corner but the man cannot hold onto the football. I'd like to see him stay, but if he does leave at least I won't want to rip my hair out everytime he drops an easy pick. Of course if he does leave he'll probably go to a different team and catch everything that comes his way...

Is there any doubt that if Rogers held onto 5 our of every 10 balls that hit his hands, he would be considered the most dangerous corner in football? He has mad cover skills, and can tackle... but quarterbacks are willing to challenge him because they probably won't get hurt.

'los has to get a clue... and a little stickum...

Yea, and even with the drops he was the second least targeted cb in the nfc last year after asomugha

Have fun in Oakland Carlos.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Big Al wasn't a distraction last year. The players had enough to deal with learning a new system that they didn't have time to pay attention to that.

Not that I'd expect him to say differently, but I have a very hard time believing that this is true. Athletes will always say that they're professional and can ignore things like this, and it's true that the media/fans make a bigger deal out of things than they need to, but Haynesworth had a negative impact on this team last year.

JC got a raw deal. Never addressed oline for him. Did well in Oakland.

I can understand having some sympathy for JC, but the reality is that he was not getting the job done. How many times did we go into the fourth quarter of a winnable game, only to see JC throw a costly interception, fail to orchestrate a decent drive, or make some stupid mistake (like a penalty) that cost us? I have distinct memories of multiple Dallas games in particular where a Campbell-caused mistake cost us the game in the last minute.

Maybe you can say in general that Campbell didn't get the support he needed. Fair enough. But he had plenty of opportunities, IMO, to show a little flair when we needed a clutch performance . . . and Campbell never rose to the occasion.

I was all for keeping Campbell about as long as we kept him, but it became pretty clear that our future was not bright with him under center.

Irn-Bru wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Big Al wasn't a distraction last year. The players had enough to deal with learning a new system that they didn't have time to pay attention to that.

Not that I'd expect him to say differently, but I have a very hard time believing that this is true. Athletes will always say that they're professional and can ignore things like this, and it's true that the media/fans make a bigger deal out of things than they need to, but Haynesworth had a negative impact on this team last year.

JC got a raw deal. Never addressed oline for him. Did well in Oakland.

I can understand having some sympathy for JC, but the reality is that he was not getting the job done. How many times did we go into the fourth quarter of a winnable game, only to see JC throw a costly interception, fail to orchestrate a decent drive, or make some stupid mistake (like a penalty) that cost us? I have distinct memories of multiple Dallas games in particular where a Campbell-caused mistake cost us the game in the last minute.

Maybe you can say in general that Campbell didn't get the support he needed. Fair enough. But he had plenty of opportunities, IMO, to show a little flair when we needed a clutch performance . . . and Campbell never rose to the occasion.

I was all for keeping Campbell about as long as we kept him, but it became pretty clear that our future was not bright with him under center.

+1 At some point, it became obvious to all but the blindest Campbell fan that he was not progressing. He could not make reads, and could not hit the deep ball. He had no pocket presence, no awareness of the pass rush. Campbell was sunk costs, and was moved appropriately.

Irn-Bru wrote:It makes Rogers look bad, but you can't dispute the truth of a lot of what he's saying. Though I wish he would admit that his drop problem is an issue . . . every time I hear from him, it's because he thinks he's undervalued or is being slighted.

His agent should be telling him to shut up

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Free agent CB Carlos Rogers made it clear Wednesday night that he doesn't expect to re-sign with the Redskins, while also taking shots at DeAngelo Hall.

"I wasn't the corner that gave up the most touchdowns or yards or first downs," said Rogers, speaking directly about Hall. "But I'm the corner that is looked at (as) the second corner, (management feels) I need to be replaced." Asked if he regrets anything he's said, Rogers replied "I don't care. I ain't say nothing that ain't true." He could be as high as the third best corner available on the open market, depending on free agency rules.

WOW! I didn't realize how much of a jerk this guy was. I knew that he wanted a new deal last year, but he is throwing his teammates under the bus. Good riddance. Let's sign Nnamdi Asomugha!!! Class act and shutdown corner....check!

I've always had concerns about Carloser, his work, play, lack of play, and attitude..... and get some "hooked on Phonics" man, get those marbles out 'cho 'mouf..........

Irn-Bru wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Big Al wasn't a distraction last year. The players had enough to deal with learning a new system that they didn't have time to pay attention to that.

Not that I'd expect him to say differently, but I have a very hard time believing that this is true. Athletes will always say that they're professional and can ignore things like this, and it's true that the media/fans make a bigger deal out of things than they need to, but Haynesworth had a negative impact on this team last year.

JC got a raw deal. Never addressed oline for him. Did well in Oakland.

I can understand having some sympathy for JC, but the reality is that he was not getting the job done. How many times did we go into the fourth quarter of a winnable game, only to see JC throw a costly interception, fail to orchestrate a decent drive, or make some stupid mistake (like a penalty) that cost us? I have distinct memories of multiple Dallas games in particular where a Campbell-caused mistake cost us the game in the last minute.

Maybe you can say in general that Campbell didn't get the support he needed. Fair enough. But he had plenty of opportunities, IMO, to show a little flair when we needed a clutch performance . . . and Campbell never rose to the occasion.

I was all for keeping Campbell about as long as we kept him, but it became pretty clear that our future was not bright with him under center.

Please, name me the QBs who have been successful with a new scheme every year? I bet that's a really short list, b/c Brady, Manning (either one), Brees, Big Ben, McNabb, and a SLEW of other QBs who HAVE been successful haven't had that lack of stability. Do I think that JC is elite? No, but don't put all that on him.

Vet... how much adjustment to scheme is required to hit a reciever in stride on a deep route? How much adjustment to scheme is required to know the 3 seconds is a long time in the pocket?

Countertrey wrote:Vet... how much adjustment to scheme is required to hit a reciever in stride on a deep route? How much adjustment to scheme is required to know the 3 seconds is a long time in the pocket?

That was exactly the issue. The system is to get receivers open. The consistent inability to hit them when they are is on him.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Please, name me the QBs who have been successful with a new scheme every year?

I don't disagree, but I don't see how that contradicts what I've written.

In the first place, Campbell really only faced two major scheme shifts as a Redskin. He had most of the year to adjust for Saunders's scheme before stepping in — not to mention a year before that as 3rd QB as a transition period to the NFL in general — and then another year to execute it. Zorn brought a second shift, but again Campbell had two years to adjust. I'm not saying he should have been perfect, but I don't see how a new scheme justifies his performance being as mediocre as it was.

And even if the new schemes are to blame for inconsistent performances, the points I've made about Campbell failing in key moments still stands, I think. (And CT and Kazoo point out, rightly I think, that schemes don't have much to do with inaccuracy and pocket presence.) What I'm saying is that even if coaching, schemes, or something else is primarily to blame, if Campbell was to be our starting quarterback, he needed to show more flair and talent than he did, especially in the crucial moments of games.

I've said (as have others) time and time again that Campbell lacks that killer instinct that other successful quarterbacks possess. That, to me, is a big indicator that Campbell was never likely to succeed here in DC.

Do I think that JC is elite? No, but don't put all that on him.

Yes, but what this leaves out is that there is a large range of options in between "awful" and "elite." JC wasn't elite, and he wasn't awful. There were mitigating circumstances, as you point out. But even with those qualifications in mind, it is beyond me how anyone could assess his play in Washington as something other than "mediocre at best."

.. again, stop concentrating on what us fans are saying and learn to catch. maybe if you do that we won't have any reason to give negative comments at all and Danny would be willing to pay you.

someone send him THAT message directly from me, not reppin you guys as skins fans, this is from me.