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According to Mike Jones of the Washington Post, the Redskins are interested in Jenkins — and Jenkins is interested in the Redskins.

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I think this could be a good pick up. We could also grab his brother to play nose tackle.

i am in favor of picking up both those guys, just so we can put them on the field along with Jarvis Jenkins and have an all-Jenkins defensive line

die cowboys die wrote:i am in favor of picking up both those guys, just so we can put them on the field along with Jarvis Jenkins and have an all-Jenkins defensive line

That would make it too easy for the play-by-play announcers.

Don't we have Carriker this year? I thought he was excellent

chiefhog44 wrote:Don't we have Carriker this year? I thought he was excellent

as far as I know, there is no limit on the # of really good players at 1 position each team is allowed to have - this could change

In all reality the Jenkins we drafted is still a second and may need time to develop, if he develops at all. So bringing in a FA makes sense. I believe we actually weren't that bad at DE last year and the lack of a NT made it look worse.

brad7686 wrote: I believe we actually weren't that bad at DE last year and the lack of a NT made it look worse.

I felt that Kedric Golston's DE postion was screaming for an upgrade.

We need him badly.

die cowboys die wrote:i am in favor of picking up both those guys, just so we can put them on the field along with Jarvis Jenkins and have an all-Jenkins defensive line

NICE!.. I'm all for that!

brad7686 wrote:In all reality the Jenkins we drafted is still a second and may need time to develop, if he develops at all. So bringing in a FA makes sense. I believe we actually weren't that bad at DE last year and the lack of a NT made it look worse.

I agree completely, we should have addressed NT earlier in the draft.
Also I think Jarmon will be a very good DE somewhere. I just hope it's with us.

yupchagee wrote:

brad7686 wrote:In all reality the Jenkins we drafted is still a second and may need time to develop, if he develops at all. So bringing in a FA makes sense. I believe we actually weren't that bad at DE last year and the lack of a NT made it look worse.

I agree completely, we should have addressed NT earlier in the draft.
Also I think Jarmon will be a very good DE somewhere. I just hope it's with us.

I like Jarmon a lot too. It's time for a break out year from him. Maybe now that we're going to play the same D as last year this will be the one for him. If there is a season this year, which I doubt.

It seems to me DE is not a huge need for us now. We have Adam C, Jarvis Jenkins, Gholsten, Jarmon and oldsters Daniels and Holliday. With just two spots, how many do we keep? 4 or 5?

I'd like to see us concentrate on ILB and CB in free agency. If our current lot of NTs won't get it done, then we'll need another NT -- Franklin, the guy from SF. The question is, how many free agents can you spend money on?

We also need help on Offense -- one good WR, at least one lineman, maybe a QB.

We can't fix all of our ills in one year...

fredp45 wrote:It seems to me DE is not a huge need for us now. We have Adam C, Jarvis Jenkins, Gholsten, Jarmon and oldsters Daniels and Holliday. With just two spots, how many do we keep? 4 or 5?

I'd like to see us concentrate on ILB and CB in free agency. If our current lot of NTs won't get it done, then we'll need another NT -- Franklin, the guy from SF. The question is, how many free agents can you spend money on?

We also need help on Offense -- one good WR, at least one lineman, maybe a QB.

We can't fix all of our ills in one year...

Good question. What is our priority in free agency? What Cullen gives us that we don't have is a DE that can rush the passer as well as play the run He had 8 sacks last year. Jarvis is not expected to be a pass rusher. Carriker has yet to find his college prowess a pass rusher. Jarmon had potential to be that pass rusher, but potential is the key. Golston might be out if we sign Cullen. Holliday and Daniels are probably on their way out, period, as we get younger and prepare for the future.

I would think that NT would be the priority since we do have some depth at DE and question marks at NT and that NT is the key position of a 3-4. D line was clearly our major weakness on defense. Questions here is how high are the coaches on Neild. We know that Anthony Bryant is a solid back up. If healthy can Kemo play? How high are we on the NT prospects out there? Do we let Kemo go and pick up another stop gap guy like Kris Jenkins and look towad the draft next year?

If Rocky leaves, we would need to go after somebody. Stephen Tulloch - I like. He is young and rated by some as the top FA ILB/MLB. The question here is how do the coaches feel about Riley and Henson.

Carlos will most likely leave - So CB is also a need. Do was go after Nnamdi Asomugha? or somebody cheaper like Jonathan Joseph who can catch?

Lot's of holes!!! Of course, we knew that. We can't get 'em all this year.

Your question of how many free agents can we sign is dead on because the Offense can use a few free agents - do we sign O linemen. , What about a vet QB like Bulger? So we are talking possiblitites of a DE, NT, CB, ILB, at least one OL, a QB. We certaiinly can't sign all the top guys available for those positions. Do we go after the second tier guys like the old plan B? We also have to think about signing out own - Santana and Rocky.

This will make a great thread once the lockout is lifted? What are our priorities? Fred, you defintely got me thinking on this one. I was Cullen Jenkins all the way until your post.

I know one thing, I am glad our FO set us up in a position to be able to have to spend money on players.

Red_One43 wrote:

fredp45 wrote:It seems to me DE is not a huge need for us now. We have Adam C, Jarvis Jenkins, Gholsten, Jarmon and oldsters Daniels and Holliday. With just two spots, how many do we keep? 4 or 5?

I'd like to see us concentrate on ILB and CB in free agency. If our current lot of NTs won't get it done, then we'll need another NT -- Franklin, the guy from SF. The question is, how many free agents can you spend money on?

We also need help on Offense -- one good WR, at least one lineman, maybe a QB.

We can't fix all of our ills in one year...

Good question. What is our priority in free agency? What Cullen gives us that we don't have is a DE that can rush the passer as well as play the run He had 8 sacks last year. Jarvis is not expected to be a pass rusher. Carriker has yet to find his college prowess a pass rusher. Jarmon had potential to be that pass rusher, but potential is the key. Golston might be out if we sign Cullen. Holliday and Daniels are probably on their way out, period, as we get younger and prepare for the future.

I would think that NT would be the priority since we do have some depth at DE and question marks at NT and that NT is the key position of a 3-4. D line was clearly our major weakness on defense. Questions here is how high are the coaches on Neild. We know that Anthony Bryant is a solid back up. If healthy can Kemo play? How high are we on the NT prospects out there? Do we let Kemo go and pick up another stop gap guy like Kris Jenkins and look towad the draft next year?

If Rocky leaves, we would need to go after somebody. Stephen Tulloch - I like. He is young and rated by some as the top FA ILB/MLB. The question here is how do the coaches feel about Riley and Henson.

Carlos will most likely leave - So CB is also a need. Do was go after Nnamdi Asomugha? or somebody cheaper like Jonathan Joseph who can catch?

Lot's of holes!!! Of course, we knew that. We can't get 'em all this year.

Your question of how many free agents can we sign is dead on because the Offense can use a few free agents - do we sign O linemen. , What about a vet QB like Bulger? So we are talking possiblitites of a DE, NT, CB, ILB, at least one OL, a QB. We certaiinly can't sign all the top guys available for those positions. Do we go after the second tier guys like the old plan B? We also have to think about signing out own - Santana and Rocky.

This will make a great thread once the lockout is lifted? What are our priorities? Fred, you defintely got me thinking on this one. I was Cullen Jenkins all the way until your post.

I know one thing, I am glad our FO set us up in a position to be able to have to spend money on players.

Don't count out home grown talent. Barnes deserves a shot at CB. I'm excited about Riley and Henson was looking good until he got hurt last pre-season. Bryant was looking fairly solid at the end of last year (granted, I think the report I recall was vs Giants 3rd string C ).

Not saying we can't look at these free agents or that they won't help us out, but we shouldn't sell our draftees short.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

fredp45 wrote:It seems to me DE is not a huge need for us now. We have Adam C, Jarvis Jenkins, Gholsten, Jarmon and oldsters Daniels and Holliday. With just two spots, how many do we keep? 4 or 5?

I'd like to see us concentrate on ILB and CB in free agency. If our current lot of NTs won't get it done, then we'll need another NT -- Franklin, the guy from SF. The question is, how many free agents can you spend money on?

We also need help on Offense -- one good WR, at least one lineman, maybe a QB.

We can't fix all of our ills in one year...

Good question. What is our priority in free agency? What Cullen gives us that we don't have is a DE that can rush the passer as well as play the run He had 8 sacks last year. Jarvis is not expected to be a pass rusher. Carriker has yet to find his college prowess a pass rusher. Jarmon had potential to be that pass rusher, but potential is the key. Golston might be out if we sign Cullen. Holliday and Daniels are probably on their way out, period, as we get younger and prepare for the future.

I would think that NT would be the priority since we do have some depth at DE and question marks at NT and that NT is the key position of a 3-4. D line was clearly our major weakness on defense. Questions here is how high are the coaches on Neild. We know that Anthony Bryant is a solid back up. If healthy can Kemo play? How high are we on the NT prospects out there? Do we let Kemo go and pick up another stop gap guy like Kris Jenkins and look towad the draft next year?

If Rocky leaves, we would need to go after somebody. Stephen Tulloch - I like. He is young and rated by some as the top FA ILB/MLB. The question here is how do the coaches feel about Riley and Henson.

Carlos will most likely leave - So CB is also a need. Do was go after Nnamdi Asomugha? or somebody cheaper like Jonathan Joseph who can catch?

Lot's of holes!!! Of course, we knew that. We can't get 'em all this year.

Your question of how many free agents can we sign is dead on because the Offense can use a few free agents - do we sign O linemen. , What about a vet QB like Bulger? So we are talking possiblitites of a DE, NT, CB, ILB, at least one OL, a QB. We certaiinly can't sign all the top guys available for those positions. Do we go after the second tier guys like the old plan B? We also have to think about signing out own - Santana and Rocky.

This will make a great thread once the lockout is lifted? What are our priorities? Fred, you defintely got me thinking on this one. I was Cullen Jenkins all the way until your post.

I know one thing, I am glad our FO set us up in a position to be able to have to spend money on players.

Don't count out home grown talent. Barnes deserves a shot at CB. I'm excited about Riley and Henson was looking good until he got hurt last pre-season. Bryant was looking fairly solid at the end of last year (granted, I think the report I recall was vs Giants 3rd string C ).

Not saying we can't look at these free agents or that they won't help us out, but we shouldn't sell our draftees short.

I hear you. Given that free agency should be used to fill a couple of holes and not fill a roster and that Shanny voiced a 3 -4 four year plan, there are some areas that he just might go with what we have.

Cullen Jenkins' base salary is $3.2 million. The bidding will begin somewhere around there.

http://www.sportscity.com/NFL-Salaries/

fredp45 wrote:It seems to me DE is not a huge need for us now. We have Adam C, Jarvis Jenkins, Gholsten, Jarmon and oldsters Daniels and Holliday. With just two spots, how many do we keep? 4 or 5?

I'd like to see us concentrate on ILB and CB in free agency. If our current lot of NTs won't get it done, then we'll need another NT -- Franklin, the guy from SF. The question is, how many free agents can you spend money on?

We also need help on Offense -- one good WR, at least one lineman, maybe a QB.

We can't fix all of our ills in one year...

My priorities for D in FA are NT & if Carlos leaves (Probable) CB.
Even if Rocky doesn't come back (I think he will) we have Blades (People seem to forget about him) Riley & Henson.

Not saying we can't upgrade elsewhere, but I think upgrades at these positions will have the greatest impact. Esp NT.

Red_One43 wrote:
Good question. What is our priority in free agency? What Cullen gives us that we don't have is a DE that can rush the passer as well as play the run He had 8 sacks last year. Jarvis is not expected to be a pass rusher. Carriker has yet to find his college prowess a pass rusher. Jarmon had potential to be that pass rusher, but potential is the key. Golston might be out if we sign Cullen. Holliday and Daniels are probably on their way out, period, as we get younger and prepare for the future.

I would think that NT would be the priority since we do have some depth at DE and question marks at NT and that NT is the key position of a 3-4. D line was clearly our major weakness on defense. Questions here is how high are the coaches on Neild. We know that Anthony Bryant is a solid back up. If healthy can Kemo play? How high are we on the NT prospects out there? Do we let Kemo go and pick up another stop gap guy like Kris Jenkins and look towad the draft next year?

Cullen would be a good addition that would create a nice DE rotation without forcing Jarvis Jenkins to start day one. Aubrayo Franklin would give Neild time to get his feet under him as a pro NT as well. Adam Carriker, Kedric Golston, Jeremy Jarmon, Darrion Scott, and the two Jenkins along with Anthony Bryant, Neild and Franklin would pretty much fix the D line.

Red_One43 wrote:If Rocky leaves, we would need to go after somebody. Stephen Tulloch - I like. He is young and rated by some as the top FA ILB/MLB. The question here is how do the coaches feel about Riley and Henson.

I think Rocky wants to come back but I also think there are better ILB on the market but most of them are on the wrong side of 30. Re-signing Rocky and adding a young/cheap free agent like San Diego’s Kevin Burnett would allow for better completion for a weak spot on the roster. Lorenzo Alexander, Chris Wilson, Rob Jackson, Perry Riley, and Robert Henson would have to battle for 3 maybe 4 spots

Red_One43 wrote:Carlos will most likely leave - So CB is also a need. Do was go after Nnamdi Asomugha? or somebody cheaper like Jonathan Joseph who can catch?

Rogers is gone no doubt about it, but I'm not sure Nnamdi is the right fit. He had 8 interceptions in a season 5 years ago, but only three over the last 4 seasons. The Redskins want turnovers and Aso doesn't produce them. Brent Grimes is only 27 years old, was in the top 5 in deflected passes last season, and had five picks last year. Jonathan Joseph will be looking for $10+ million per years

Red_One43 wrote:Lot's of holes!!! Of course, we knew that. We can't get 'em all this year.

Your question of how many free agents can we sign is dead on because the Offense can use a few free agents - do we sign O linemen. , What about a vet QB like Bulger? So we are talking possiblitites of a DE, NT, CB, ILB, at least one OL, a QB. We certaiinly can't sign all the top guys available for those positions. Do we go after the second tier guys like the old plan B? We also have to think about signing out own - Santana and Rocky.

I think Shanny has a plan and a list that he'll be working off and signing six free agents is nothing new for "the Danny".

Red_One43 wrote:This will make a great thread once the lockout is lifted? What are our priorities? Fred, you defintely got me thinking on this one. I was Cullen Jenkins all the way until your post.

I know one thing, I am glad our FO set us up in a position to be able to have to spend money on players.

I think NT, ILB, OG, CB, DE, then QB are the priories here. I put QB last because I think he grab one or two UDFA at that spot and Davin Joseph will be a starting guard.

1niksder wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:
Good question. What is our priority in free agency? What Cullen gives us that we don't have is a DE that can rush the passer as well as play the run He had 8 sacks last year. Jarvis is not expected to be a pass rusher. Carriker has yet to find his college prowess a pass rusher. Jarmon had potential to be that pass rusher, but potential is the key. Golston might be out if we sign Cullen. Holliday and Daniels are probably on their way out, period, as we get younger and prepare for the future.

I would think that NT would be the priority since we do have some depth at DE and question marks at NT and that NT is the key position of a 3-4. D line was clearly our major weakness on defense. Questions here is how high are the coaches on Neild. We know that Anthony Bryant is a solid back up. If healthy can Kemo play? How high are we on the NT prospects out there? Do we let Kemo go and pick up another stop gap guy like Kris Jenkins and look towad the draft next year?

Cullen would be a good addition that would create a nice DE rotation without forcing Jarvis Jenkins to start day one. Aubrayo Franklin would give Neild time to get his feet under him as a pro NT as well. Adam Carriker, Kedric Golston, Jeremy Jarmon, Darrion Scott, and the two Jenkins along with Anthony Bryant, Neild and Franklin would pretty much fix the D line.

Red_One43 wrote:If Rocky leaves, we would need to go after somebody. Stephen Tulloch - I like. He is young and rated by some as the top FA ILB/MLB. The question here is how do the coaches feel about Riley and Henson.

I think Rocky wants to come back but I also think there are better ILB on the market but most of them are on the wrong side of 30. Re-signing Rocky and adding a young/cheap free agent like San Diego’s Kevin Burnett would allow for better completion for a weak spot on the roster. Lorenzo Alexander, Chris Wilson, Rob Jackson, Perry Riley, and Robert Henson would have to battle for 3 maybe 4 spots

Red_One43 wrote:Carlos will most likely leave - So CB is also a need. Do was go after Nnamdi Asomugha? or somebody cheaper like Jonathan Joseph who can catch?

Rogers is gone no doubt about it, but I'm not sure Nnamdi is the right fit. He had 8 interceptions in a season 5 years ago, but only three over the last 4 seasons. The Redskins want turnovers and Aso doesn't produce them. Brent Grimes is only 27 years old, was in the top 5 in deflected passes last season, and had five picks last year. Jonathan Joseph will be looking for $10+ million per years

Red_One43 wrote:Lot's of holes!!! Of course, we knew that. We can't get 'em all this year.

Your question of how many free agents can we sign is dead on because the Offense can use a few free agents - do we sign O linemen. , What about a vet QB like Bulger? So we are talking possiblitites of a DE, NT, CB, ILB, at least one OL, a QB. We certaiinly can't sign all the top guys available for those positions. Do we go after the second tier guys like the old plan B? We also have to think about signing out own - Santana and Rocky.

I think Shanny has a plan and a list that he'll be working off and signing six free agents is nothing new for "the Danny".

Red_One43 wrote:This will make a great thread once the lockout is lifted? What are our priorities? Fred, you defintely got me thinking on this one. I was Cullen Jenkins all the way until your post.

I know one thing, I am glad our FO set us up in a position to be able to have to spend money on players.

I think NT, ILB, OG, CB, DE, then QB are the priories here. I put QB last because I think he grab one or two UDFA at that spot and Davin Joseph will be a starting guard.

I agree with signing Cullen Jenkins and Franklin and I agree with you that there are better ILB prospects out there than Rocky, so we might be looking elsewhere. I heard Kevin Durant's name mentioned on one of the ESPN 980 shows this afternoon. Though I think that Asomugha has so few interceptions because QBs are afraid to throw his way, I have to agree that this is not the way to go - that is waaaay too much money. I also have to agree about Joseph too. Grimes? If he covers as well as Rogers and can catch, he will do just fine and for the right price. Davin Joseph is on my list.

I think NT, DE, OG, OT (Ryan Harris should come cheap) CB, ILB, then QB. I agree with you that of the two other QB's to come to came, neither will be an established vet - One UDFA and one project vet. It is sink or swim with Grossman or Beck.

I heard this guys name, Stephen Bowen, Dallas Cowboy, on ESPN 980 (DC Area) on Friday. Stephen Bowen. The Radio Sports guys like him as a cheaper and younger alternative to Cullen Jenkins who is often injured. Love to steal one of their prized possessions, they have alreay offered him second round tender at $1.9 million. If we can't get him, at bid the price up on him.

Although Bowen doesn't attract a lot of limelight or get a lot of press, he has been surprisingly effective in a limited role (one which grew last season as he replaced an injured Marcus Spears in the starting lineup). As the DMN article points out, Bowen was named a "secret Superstar" by Pro Football Focus. After reviewing the 2010 tape, the guys at PFF ranked Bowen as the league's third-best 3-4 defensive end. Pretty impressive stuff. Exhibit A: in 346 pass-rush opportunities, Bowen had 25 total quarterback disruptions (one fewer than Jay Ratliff, who rushed the passer 137 more times).

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/6/9 ... phen-bowen

Red_One43 wrote:I heard this guys name, Stephen Bowen, Dallas Cowboy, on ESPN 980 (DC Area) on Friday. Stephen Bowen. The Radio Sports guys like him as a cheaper and younger alternative to Cullen Jenkins who is often injured. Love to steal one of their prized possessions, they have alreay offered him second round tender at $1.9 million. If we can't get him, at bid the price up on him.

Although Bowen doesn't attract a lot of limelight or get a lot of press, he has been surprisingly effective in a limited role (one which grew last season as he replaced an injured Marcus Spears in the starting lineup). As the DMN article points out, Bowen was named a "secret Superstar" by Pro Football Focus. After reviewing the 2010 tape, the guys at PFF ranked Bowen as the league's third-best 3-4 defensive end. Pretty impressive stuff. Exhibit A: in 346 pass-rush opportunities, Bowen had 25 total quarterback disruptions (one fewer than Jay Ratliff, who rushed the passer 137 more times).

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/6/9 ... phen-bowen

Younger is what Shanny wants and cheaper is the route they should take, depleting a rival is a bonus. Going younger means guys still not at their peak, and going cheaper means the ability to bring in more free agents to compete for roster spots.

Including resigning their own players and going younger and cheaper this would be nice:

Re-Sign: Rex Grossman, QB

Sign: San Francisco’s Aubrayo Franklin, NT

Sign: San Diego’s Kevin Burnett, ILB

Re-Sign: Santana Moss, WR

Sign: Tampa Bay’s Davin Joseph, G

Re- Sign: Jammal Brown, RT

Sign: Atlanta's Brent Grimes, CB

Sign: Carolina's Ryan Kalil, C

Sign: Detroit's Turk McBride, DE

Sign: New Orlean's Usama Young, or Baltimore's Josh Wilson, both play CB with local ties (hometown Discount???)

Sign: Denver's Ryan Harris OT

Re-Sign: Rocky McIntosh ILB

Sign: Jacksonville's Trent Edwards, or Pittsburg's Dennis Dixon, both play QB

Bringing in another WR and RB wouldn't hurt either.

Young and Cheap could fill a lot of holes quick, with this group.

1niksder wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:I heard this guys name, Stephen Bowen, Dallas Cowboy, on ESPN 980 (DC Area) on Friday. Stephen Bowen. The Radio Sports guys like him as a cheaper and younger alternative to Cullen Jenkins who is often injured. Love to steal one of their prized possessions, they have alreay offered him second round tender at $1.9 million. If we can't get him, at bid the price up on him.

Although Bowen doesn't attract a lot of limelight or get a lot of press, he has been surprisingly effective in a limited role (one which grew last season as he replaced an injured Marcus Spears in the starting lineup). As the DMN article points out, Bowen was named a "secret Superstar" by Pro Football Focus. After reviewing the 2010 tape, the guys at PFF ranked Bowen as the league's third-best 3-4 defensive end. Pretty impressive stuff. Exhibit A: in 346 pass-rush opportunities, Bowen had 25 total quarterback disruptions (one fewer than Jay Ratliff, who rushed the passer 137 more times).

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/6/9 ... phen-bowen

Younger is what Shanny wants and cheaper is the route they should take, depleting a rival is a bonus. Going younger means guys still not at their peak, and going cheaper means the ability to bring in more free agents to compete for roster spots.

Including resigning their own players and going younger and cheaper this would be nice:

Re-Sign: Rex Grossman, QB

Sign: San Francisco’s Aubrayo Franklin, NT

Sign: San Diego’s Kevin Burnett, ILB

Re-Sign: Santana Moss, WR

Sign: Tampa Bay’s Davin Joseph, G

Re- Sign: Jammal Brown, RT

Sign: Atlanta's Brent Grimes, CB

Sign: Carolina's Ryan Kalil, C

Sign: Detroit's Turk McBride, DE

Sign: New Orlean's Usama Young, or Baltimore's Josh Wilson, both play CB with local ties (hometown Discount???)

Sign: Denver's Ryan Harris OT

Re-Sign: Rocky McIntosh ILB

Sign: Jacksonville's Trent Edwards, or Pittsburg's Dennis Dixon, both play QB

Bringing in another WR and RB wouldn't hurt either.

Young and Cheap could fill a lot of holes quick, with this group.

Ryan Kalil has been franchised.

1niksder wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:I heard this guys name, Stephen Bowen, Dallas Cowboy, on ESPN 980 (DC Area) on Friday. Stephen Bowen. The Radio Sports guys like him as a cheaper and younger alternative to Cullen Jenkins who is often injured. Love to steal one of their prized possessions, they have alreay offered him second round tender at $1.9 million. If we can't get him, at bid the price up on him.

Although Bowen doesn't attract a lot of limelight or get a lot of press, he has been surprisingly effective in a limited role (one which grew last season as he replaced an injured Marcus Spears in the starting lineup). As the DMN article points out, Bowen was named a "secret Superstar" by Pro Football Focus. After reviewing the 2010 tape, the guys at PFF ranked Bowen as the league's third-best 3-4 defensive end. Pretty impressive stuff. Exhibit A: in 346 pass-rush opportunities, Bowen had 25 total quarterback disruptions (one fewer than Jay Ratliff, who rushed the passer 137 more times).

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/6/9 ... phen-bowen

Younger is what Shanny wants and cheaper is the route they should take, depleting a rival is a bonus. Going younger means guys still not at their peak, and going cheaper means the ability to bring in more free agents to compete for roster spots.

Including resigning their own players and going younger and cheaper this would be nice:

Re-Sign: Rex Grossman, QB

Sign: San Francisco’s Aubrayo Franklin, NT

Sign: San Diego’s Kevin Burnett, ILB

Re-Sign: Santana Moss, WR

Sign: Tampa Bay’s Davin Joseph, G

Re- Sign: Jammal Brown, RT

Sign: Atlanta's Brent Grimes, CB

Yes, to all above

Sign: Carolina's Ryan Kalil, C

Hasn't he been franchised? Yes, if we could get him.

Sign: Detroit's Turk McBride, DE

Impressive player sounds like a Shanny type, but is only 6-2, 278. Was let go by the Chiefs when they switched to a 3-4. Doesn't seem like a 3-4 DE fit. I am going to go with Stephen Bowen even over Cullen Jenkins as my younger and cheaper signee.

Sign: New Orlean's Usama Young, or Baltimore's Josh Wilson, both play CB with local ties (hometown Discount???)

Usama is listed as safety for the Saints, but played CB in college. Saint's SB Nation blogger says that he is among the guys he hopes return. Sign for competition. Might beat out Moore. Josh Wilson has four interception TDs in 3 years and one in at least each of his 3 pro seasons pro seasons. Sounds like he can catch. Definitely fill Buchanan's role.

Sign: Denver's Ryan Harris OT

Why sign Harris if you re-sign Brown? I like Harris, but he is my signee if Brown signs elsewhere.

Re-Sign: Rocky McIntosh ILB

My question here, Is Rocky a true ILB? If we sign Kevin Durant for ILB and have Riley, Henson, and Zo as inside backers, why re-sign Rocky?

Sign: Jacksonville's Trent Edwards, or Pittsburg's Dennis Dixon, both play QB

I expect one of the two remaining QB slots to be filled with a project vet like Trent who was promising at one point, but might fullful promise in our scheme. Not sure if Trent or Dixon is the guy.

Bringing in another WR and RB wouldn't hurt either.

Interesting that you didn't go after a name receiver like "Rice." I am so tempted to do so, but this year is just not the year to spend on the WR spot. Signing a lower tier WR or RB sounds like a Shanny guy because he loves competition.

Young and Cheap could fill a lot of holes quick, with this group.

I do like young and cheap. Sounds like the old "Plan B" free agent philosophy of Joe Gibbs - get hungry, younger, and cheaper guys.

Question - How much do you estimate all the guys that you said that you would like to sign or re-sign will cost?

yupchagee wrote:

1niksder wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:I heard this guys name, Stephen Bowen, Dallas Cowboy, on ESPN 980 (DC Area) on Friday. Stephen Bowen. The Radio Sports guys like him as a cheaper and younger alternative to Cullen Jenkins who is often injured. Love to steal one of their prized possessions, they have alreay offered him second round tender at $1.9 million. If we can't get him, at bid the price up on him.

Although Bowen doesn't attract a lot of limelight or get a lot of press, he has been surprisingly effective in a limited role (one which grew last season as he replaced an injured Marcus Spears in the starting lineup). As the DMN article points out, Bowen was named a "secret Superstar" by Pro Football Focus. After reviewing the 2010 tape, the guys at PFF ranked Bowen as the league's third-best 3-4 defensive end. Pretty impressive stuff. Exhibit A: in 346 pass-rush opportunities, Bowen had 25 total quarterback disruptions (one fewer than Jay Ratliff, who rushed the passer 137 more times).

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/6/9 ... phen-bowen

Younger is what Shanny wants and cheaper is the route they should take, depleting a rival is a bonus. Going younger means guys still not at their peak, and going cheaper means the ability to bring in more free agents to compete for roster spots.

Including resigning their own players and going younger and cheaper this would be nice:

Re-Sign: Rex Grossman, QB

Sign: San Francisco’s Aubrayo Franklin, NT

Sign: San Diego’s Kevin Burnett, ILB

Re-Sign: Santana Moss, WR

Sign: Tampa Bay’s Davin Joseph, G

Re- Sign: Jammal Brown, RT

Sign: Atlanta's Brent Grimes, CB

Sign: Carolina's Ryan Kalil, C

Sign: Detroit's Turk McBride, DE

Sign: New Orlean's Usama Young, or Baltimore's Josh Wilson, both play CB with local ties (hometown Discount???)

Sign: Denver's Ryan Harris OT

Re-Sign: Rocky McIntosh ILB

Sign: Jacksonville's Trent Edwards, or Pittsburg's Dennis Dixon, both play QB

Bringing in another WR and RB wouldn't hurt either.

Young and Cheap could fill a lot of holes quick, with this group.

Ryan Kalil has been franchised.

That answers my question about Kalil.

yupchagee wrote:Ryan Kalil has been franchised.

I missed that so I'd go with Lyle Sendlein, from the Cardinals or Kyle Cook from the Bengals

Red_One43 wrote:I heard this guys name, Stephen Bowen, Dallas Cowboy, on ESPN 980 (DC Area) on Friday. Stephen Bowen. The Radio Sports guys like him as a cheaper and younger alternative to Cullen Jenkins who is often injured. Love to steal one of their prized possessions, they have alreay offered him second round tender at $1.9 million. If we can't get him, at bid the price up on him.

Although Bowen doesn't attract a lot of limelight or get a lot of press, he has been surprisingly effective in a limited role (one which grew last season as he replaced an injured Marcus Spears in the starting lineup). As the DMN article points out, Bowen was named a "secret Superstar" by Pro Football Focus. After reviewing the 2010 tape, the guys at PFF ranked Bowen as the league's third-best 3-4 defensive end. Pretty impressive stuff. Exhibit A: in 346 pass-rush opportunities, Bowen had 25 total quarterback disruptions (one fewer than Jay Ratliff, who rushed the passer 137 more times).

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/6/9 ... phen-bowen

Bowen had a second-round tender placed on him, which might change based on the new CBA - if not he might cost

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:Younger is what Shanny wants and cheaper is the route they should take, depleting a rival is a bonus. Going younger means guys still not at their peak, and going cheaper means the ability to bring in more free agents to compete for roster spots.

Including resigning their own players and going younger and cheaper this would be nice:

Re-Sign: Rex Grossman, QB

Sign: San Francisco’s Aubrayo Franklin, NT

Sign: San Diego’s Kevin Burnett, ILB

Re-Sign: Santana Moss, WR

Sign: Tampa Bay’s Davin Joseph, G

Re- Sign: Jammal Brown, RT

Sign: Atlanta's Brent Grimes, CB

Yes, to all above

If we can't get Devin Joseph I'd settle for the Saints Carl Nicks if he's available, and the Jets David Harris if Burnett isn't signed.

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:Sign: Carolina's Ryan Kalil, C

Hasn't he been franchised? Yes, if we could get him.

Yeah I missed that...

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:Sign: Detroit's Turk McBride, DE

Impressive player sounds like a Shanny type, but is only 6-2, 278. Was let go by the Chiefs when they switched to a 3-4. Doesn't seem like a 3-4 DE fit. I am going to go with Stephen Bowen even over Cullen Jenkins as my younger and cheaper signee.

Then I'd go with Cullen Jenkins....

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:Sign: New Orlean's Usama Young, or Baltimore's Josh Wilson, both play CB with local ties (hometown Discount???)

Usama is listed as safety for the Saints, but played CB in college. Saint's SB Nation blogger says that he is among the guys he hopes return. Sign for competition. Might beat out Moore. Josh Wilson has four interception TDs in 3 years and one in at least each of his 3 pro seasons pro seasons. Sounds like he can catch. Definitely fill Buchanan's role.

Usama might be a better #2 corner than anyone else on the Redskins roster AND can play safety, combined with Barnes (who looked good filling in at safety late last year) could free up a safety spot for another position

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:Sign: Denver's Ryan Harris OT

Why sign Harris if you re-sign Brown? I like Harris, but he is my signee if Brown signs elsewhere.

Brown plays both left and right tackle, if he can't beat out Harris as the starting RT, then we still can be done with Stephon Heyer as the swing tackle

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:Re-Sign: Rocky McIntosh ILB

My question here, Is Rocky a true ILB? If we sign Kevin Durant for ILB and have Riley, Henson, and Zo as inside backers, why re-sign Rocky?

He wants to re-sign here but if he leaves and Ryan Kerrigan can't play OLB what will they do? Zo was OK on the outside but if he were a option he wouldn't be trying to move inside, Riley and Henson are unknowns and Flecther won't be around for too many more years so we can't have to many ILB in camp

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:Sign: Jacksonville's Trent Edwards, or Pittsburg's Dennis Dixon, both play QB

I expect one of the two remaining QB slots to be filled with a project vet like Trent who was promising at one point, but might fullful promise in our scheme. Not sure if Trent or Dixon is the guy.

I actually want him to bring in Bulger but who knows what the Shannies will do

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:Bringing in another WR and RB wouldn't hurt either.

Interesting that you didn't go after a name receiver like "Rice." I am so tempted to do so, but this year is just not the year to spend on the WR spot. Signing a lower tier WR or RB sounds like a Shanny guy because he loves competition.

They'll have the money to go after Rice but it may limit them in filling other holes, it really all boils down to what the final CBA looks like.

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:Young and Cheap could fill a lot of holes quick, with this group.

I do like young and cheap. Sounds like the old "Plan B" free agent philosophy of Joe Gibbs - get hungry, younger, and cheaper guys.

Question - How much do you estimate all the guys that you said that you would like to sign or re-sign will cost?

Again until they get a CBA we won't know how 2011 contracts will be structured to impact the new cap and spending floor. Regardless, the way Eric Shaffer works they can get them all