The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era

1. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, Oakland Raiders: He is by far the elite of this group. Expect a real bidding war for him among several teams. Cover corners with his skill who aren't yet 30 are worth their weight in gold.

2. Carlos Rogers, CB, Washington Redskins: He is a solid cover player who is also a good tackler. He has started 31 games the past five seasons, so he will get action once the free-agency period begins. He is 29 years old.

3. Tyson Clabo, T, Atlanta Falcons: He is a self-made player who has turned from a scrap-heap pickup into a Pro Bowl-caliber tackle. He isn't the most athletic player, but he gets by with his smarts and toughness.

4. Michael Huff, S, Oakland Raiders: He is coming off his best season after moving off the line of scrimmage. He has proven to be more of a coverage safety than a run-support guy, which is what you want in this pass-happy league. His value has gone up, and he gets a break because his contract voided the same way Asomugha's did.

5. Jammal Brown, T, Washington Redskins: He played right tackle for the Redskins last season, but he's more of a left tackle. He started slowly last season while battling back from a knee injury, but he showed well as the season moved along. He would be a nice option for a team looking for tackle help since he's only 29.

6. Alex Smith, QB, San Francisco 49ers: He's relatively young and he has had some moments where he has looked like he could be a solid starter. He might just need a change of scenery, but it looks like he's heading back to San Francisco.

7. Chris Spencer, C, Seattle Seahawks: This 2006 first-round pick hasn't quite lived up to the expectations, in part because of injuries, but he is a capable starter and at 29 is still relatively young by center standards.

8. Jason Babin, DE, Tennessee Titans: He had his big season (12½ sacks) at the right time since he's ready to become an unrestricted free agent. Teams have to ask if he is coming into his own or whether that was a one-year aberration since he had 19½ sacks in his previous six seasons. He plays hard, that's for sure.

9. Cullen Jenkins, DE-DT, Green Bay Packers: He had seven sacks last season in 11 games. He has 29 the past four seasons. That's why he will be attractive to teams. He can rush the passer from an end spot in the 3-4 or inside as a tackle in the 4-3.

10. Barrett Ruud, ILB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: The Bucs would like to keep him, but the price might get out of hand. He isn't fancy, but he's a solid middle linebacker who always seems to be around the ball.

11. Braylon Edwards, WR, New York Jets: Receiver-hungry teams will take a long, hard look at Edwards. He is 28 years old and can stretch the field, as evidenced by his 15.8 career average per catch. He averaged 17.1 yards per catch last season. He does have trouble with drops at times.

12. Quintin Mikell, S, Philadelphia Eagles: This strong safety went to the Pro Bowl two years ago and remains a nice cover player. He has good range for a strong safety, which you need now. He is 29 years old.

13. Chris Carr, CB, Baltimore Ravens: He started 16 games last season for the Ravens and had his best season. He had two interceptions and played well in coverage. He can also return kicks, and at 28 he has good football left in his body.

14. Aubrayo Franklin, DT, San Francisco 49ers: The 49ers put the franchise tag on him in 2010, but they didn't this season. He had another decent season, even if it wasn't as good as his 2009 season, but the price to tag him again was too much.

15. Santana Moss, WR, Washington Redskins: He had 93 catches last season, but only averaged 12 yards per catch. The latter number might mean he's slowing down entering his 11th season.

16. Kevin Burnett, ILB, San Diego Chargers: After being acquired from the Cowboys, Burnett had his best season in 2010. He was one of the better defenders for San Diego. He is a perfect 3-4 inside backer.

17. Ike Taylor, CB, Pittsburgh Steelers: He is a physical corner who would fit better in a scheme that didn't ask him to play a lot of man coverage. But he did improve as a man cover player late last year, which could help his stock. At 31, he isn't a kid anymore.

18. Donte Whitner, S, Buffalo Bills: The Bills have indicated they don't want him back, so he's likely gone, even though he only has five years of service. Whitner is an in-the-box safety who was a top-10 pick. If a team is looking for a special coverage safety, this shouldn't be the choice. He struggles there.

19. Tommie Harris, DT, Chicago Bears: This former first-round pick wore out his welcome in Chicago, but he was a starter for six games last season and he's only 28 years old. He did have 1½ sacks in the playoff victory over Seattle. Maybe a change of scenery would do him good.

20. Ben Leber, OLB, Minnesota Vikings: He gets lost on the Vikings defense, but he is a good, solid player. He isn't in the same class as Chad Greenway, the Vikings' other linebacker who was given the franchise tag, but he is more than a journeymen.

21. Robert Gallery, G, Oakland Raiders: Even though most would consider him a draft bust, he has been a solid starter after moving from tackle to guard. He would be a quality starter for most teams.

22. Olin Kreutz, C, Chicago Bears: The Bears would like to re-sign this 13-year veteran, but what if some team gives him a nice deal to leave? He's still a quality player, but for how long? Age is a concern.

23. Terrell Owens, WR, Cincinnati Bengals: Surprised to see his name here considering his age? Well, he was the Bengals' best receiver last season and showed he's far from done. He can help a team for a couple of years. Wouldn't be worth a long-term deal, but a short-team one might make sense.

24. Darren Sproles, RB, San Diego Chargers: If a team wants a speed back who can be a nice change of pace, coupled with a good return man, this would be their guy.

25. Cedric Benson, RB, Cincinnati Bengals: He has been reborn in Cincinnati, but he isn't a kid anymore (29 in December) by running back standards. That could keep a team from spending money -- especially in a league where backs get used up quickly.

brad7686 wrote:I feel like we'll go after asomugha. Rogers will get enough action that the skins won't get him as cheap as they want. I'd let Moss walk. Hopefully Brown will be cheaper than indicated by that list.

It would have made more sense to keep tryon that way you would have him and barnes with hall and you could afford to let carlos walk. But the skins are gonna make a splash regardless, might as well be asomugha.

Also, umm, (cough) T.O. (cough)

VetSkinsFan wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I feel like we'll go after asomugha. Rogers will get enough action that the skins won't get him as cheap as they want. I'd let Moss walk. Hopefully Brown will be cheaper than indicated by that list.

It would have made more sense to keep tryon that way you would have him and barnes with hall and you could afford to let carlos walk. But the skins are gonna make a splash regardless, might as well be asomugha.

Also, umm, (cough) T.O. (cough)

You want to essentially trade Moss for TO? hell no IMO. We know what Moss is about and what he can do for us in burgundy and gold.

Neither Tryon (while here) or Barnes (yet) has shown they can start. I think we'll get a serious look at Barnes this pre-season and hopefully he shows he can start here in the NFL, but for our best bet, I think we should keep Rogers. He's been solid for us, short of the stone hands, and I'd rather him be out there than an unknown.

I really don't know about paying Aso $15M/yr either, b/c that's what he's rumored to want. If he was homegrown, that's one thing, but I'm tired of bringing in high profile (and priced) FAs. And would we use him to best fit his strengths is another question.

brad7686 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I feel like we'll go after asomugha. Rogers will get enough action that the skins won't get him as cheap as they want. I'd let Moss walk. Hopefully Brown will be cheaper than indicated by that list.

It would have made more sense to keep tryon that way you would have him and barnes with hall and you could afford to let carlos walk. But the skins are gonna make a splash regardless, might as well be asomugha.

Also, umm, (cough) T.O. (cough)

You want to essentially trade Moss for TO? hell no IMO. We know what Moss is about and what he can do for us in burgundy and gold.

Neither Tryon (while here) or Barnes (yet) has shown they can start. I think we'll get a serious look at Barnes this pre-season and hopefully he shows he can start here in the NFL, but for our best bet, I think we should keep Rogers. He's been solid for us, short of the stone hands, and I'd rather him be out there than an unknown.

I really don't know about paying Aso $15M/yr either, b/c that's what he's rumored to want. If he was homegrown, that's one thing, but I'm tired of bringing in high profile (and priced) FAs. And would we use him to best fit his strengths is another question.

Tryon is solid. He's not Rogers, but he's a starter anyway. All I was saying is that now we are in a position where we have to dish out money for a corner. There are no other options.

T.O. is a lot better than Moss. It's a fact. Moss will cost more than he is worth IMO. He's also not getting any younger.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I feel like we'll go after asomugha. Rogers will get enough action that the skins won't get him as cheap as they want. I'd let Moss walk. Hopefully Brown will be cheaper than indicated by that list.

It would have made more sense to keep tryon that way you would have him and barnes with hall and you could afford to let carlos walk. But the skins are gonna make a splash regardless, might as well be asomugha.

Also, umm, (cough) T.O. (cough)

You want to essentially trade Moss for TO? hell no IMO. We know what Moss is about and what he can do for us in burgundy and gold.

Neither Tryon (while here) or Barnes (yet) has shown they can start. I think we'll get a serious look at Barnes this pre-season and hopefully he shows he can start here in the NFL, but for our best bet, I think we should keep Rogers. He's been solid for us, short of the stone hands, and I'd rather him be out there than an unknown.

I really don't know about paying Aso $15M/yr either, b/c that's what he's rumored to want. If he was homegrown, that's one thing, but I'm tired of bringing in high profile (and priced) FAs. And would we use him to best fit his strengths is another question.

Tryon is solid. He's not Rogers, but he's a starter anyway. All I was saying is that now we are in a position where we have to dish out money for a corner. There are no other options.

T.O. is a lot better than Moss. It's a fact. Moss will cost more than he is worth IMO. He's also not getting any younger.

TO(born December 7, 1973) is 5 1/2 years older than Moss (born born June 1, 1979). Moss caught 92 balls for us last year? And TO is a cancer. No thanks.

die cowboys die wrote:especially if this season ends up with no salary cap again, i'd be thrilled to bring in Asomoamgiaugah, despite our history with high-priced free agents. why? because

A) he should still have plenty of good years in him
B) he is well-established as a high character, hard-working guy. he's not going to "pull a haynesworth".


rogers hates it here and wants out ASAP. he's as good as gone.

brad7686 wrote:Tryon is solid.

andyjens89 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Tryon is solid.

And on the Colts.

The Hogster wrote:Resign Rogers, Brown, & Moss. Sign Asogmua and Cullen Jenkins.

Willie McGinest explained that an OLB in the 3-4 who has not played in a 3-4 before (Ryan Kerrigan) needs to have an End beside him with experience, or else that whole side of the defense is gonna get trampled.

Cullen Jenkins would fill that need at End. And, hopefully Carriker and Orakpo can develop more on the other side with a year of experience. I can't see the value of leaving Kerrigan there with Jarvis Jenkins. (2 Rookies).

Just a thought.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Any list having Carlos Rogers as the #2 free agent is so fatally flawed I have a hard time believing anything else it says.

brad7686 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Resign Rogers, Brown, & Moss. Sign Asogmua and Cullen Jenkins.

Willie McGinest explained that an OLB in the 3-4 who has not played in a 3-4 before (Ryan Kerrigan) needs to have an End beside him with experience, or else that whole side of the defense is gonna get trampled.

Cullen Jenkins would fill that need at End. And, hopefully Carriker and Orakpo can develop more on the other side with a year of experience. I can't see the value of leaving Kerrigan there with Jarvis Jenkins. (2 Rookies).

Just a thought.

There's no way we can sign that many players. We'll be lucky to even get asomugha or rogers.

The Hogster wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Resign Rogers, Brown, & Moss. Sign Asogmua and Cullen Jenkins.

Willie McGinest explained that an OLB in the 3-4 who has not played in a 3-4 before (Ryan Kerrigan) needs to have an End beside him with experience, or else that whole side of the defense is gonna get trampled.

Cullen Jenkins would fill that need at End. And, hopefully Carriker and Orakpo can develop more on the other side with a year of experience. I can't see the value of leaving Kerrigan there with Jarvis Jenkins. (2 Rookies).

Just a thought.

There's no way we can sign that many players. We'll be lucky to even get asomugha or rogers.

Not true. We are in the top 3rd of teams as far as "cap space" (assuming a new CBA will be reached). Additionally, the trade of McNabb and/or Haynesworth would give us more than enough room to re-sign our guys and sign the 2 free agents mentioned above.

brad7686 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I feel like we'll go after asomugha. Rogers will get enough action that the skins won't get him as cheap as they want. I'd let Moss walk. Hopefully Brown will be cheaper than indicated by that list.

It would have made more sense to keep tryon that way you would have him and barnes with hall and you could afford to let carlos walk. But the skins are gonna make a splash regardless, might as well be asomugha.

Also, umm, (cough) T.O. (cough)

You want to essentially trade Moss for TO? hell no IMO. We know what Moss is about and what he can do for us in burgundy and gold.

Neither Tryon (while here) or Barnes (yet) has shown they can start. I think we'll get a serious look at Barnes this pre-season and hopefully he shows he can start here in the NFL, but for our best bet, I think we should keep Rogers. He's been solid for us, short of the stone hands, and I'd rather him be out there than an unknown.

I really don't know about paying Aso $15M/yr either, b/c that's what he's rumored to want. If he was homegrown, that's one thing, but I'm tired of bringing in high profile (and priced) FAs. And would we use him to best fit his strengths is another question.

Tryon is solid. He's not Rogers, but he's a starter anyway. All I was saying is that now we are in a position where we have to dish out money for a corner. There are no other options.

T.O. is a lot better than Moss. It's a fact. Moss will cost more than he is worth IMO. He's also not getting any younger.

Although I keep forgetting we have McNabb now, which could cause drama if T.O. was brought in.

SkinsJock wrote:HOPEFULLY - either Rogers or Asomugha is playing CB in B&G this season

Q: Hey Adam, just wondering your thoughts on the whole Nnamdi Asomugha situation and how likely it is that the Raiders will be able to retain him. And if that isn't going to happen, where do you think he will land?

-- Aric (China)

A: Ah, the Asomugha question that everyone wants answered, Aric. Here's my take on it: Asomugha is the top free agent available. Every single team in the league would want him, but there are only a handful of realistic destinations for him. My sense is that topping the list are three NFC East teams: Philadelphia, Dallas and Washington. Each could use a superior cornerback, failed to land a front-line cornerback in last month's draft, has shown the ability to spend money in the past and will not want to see Asomugha on a division rival. There are other teams that could make a play for Asomugha, and my sense is it would be a mistake to dismiss the Ravens, Jets, Texans and maybe even the Buccaneers. But the three NFC East teams seem like they will be the teams to watch -- and beat -- for Asomugha's services.

fleetus wrote:I think we all need to face the fact that this is a re-building phase. Moss and Rogers, for better or worse, are part of the failed past. Moss is past his prime and may not take a salary which reflects that fact. If he is willing to take less money and finish his career in Washington, by all means we should re-sign him.

We traded a pick away last year for J. Brown. He had a shaky season, but may be prepared for a good season in Washington now. We need to re-sign him if possible. Hopefully he understands that he was overpayed for a sub-par performance last year and should accept a reasonable deal in Washington.

With three new WR's on the roster plus Banks, Armstrong and possibly Kelly, it may be time to offer up massive amounts of playing time to whoever can win the jobs without adding any big name free agent WR's.