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Just wondering what people think about the availability of quarterbacks that we could obtain in a trade or through free agency. What does everyone think?

If I had to choose, I would say Palmer, but I wouldn't want to give up much for him. I actually think Kyle Orton would be a good choice.

Can you please add: NONE OF THE ABOVE or OTHER to the list of options?

None of the above is my choice. A QB needs mobility in the scheme of Shanny and Vince Young is the only truly mobile guy among them. Do I want Vince's tantrums and unprofessional behaviour in my team? Definitely NO.

M Hasselbeck already saw his best days done at Seattle. I rather make an investment and groom a young guy than try again one of these three guys.

Carson's production is already declining. I do not know if his knee will hold up either but he is not an elusive guy to start with.

Donovan McNabb

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Donovan McNabb

D. None of the Above

i would vote "none of the above" also. I don't think the Redskins are going to do much this year despite the easy schedule. Maybe trading McNabb and Haynesworth for whatever draft picks they can get for them will be worthwhile. For right now, Shanahan seems to be entralled with Beck so we will probably have to endure a year of him. Who knows, maybe he will surprise us and be better than everyone thinks.

none of the above

Orton would be good - he is a winner. McNabb is the guy, I just have a feeling since no one will trade for him and Shanny won't just cut him and he is the better of himself and Beck.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Donovan McNabb

If/when McNabb is gone then I won't be pining for the day he was here, but until then, he is he's a great QB and I don't know why we're looking at the rest of the mediocrities we have to choose from.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Donovan McNabb

If/when McNabb is gone then I won't be pining for the day he was here, but until then, he is he's a great QB and I don't know why we're looking at the rest of the mediocrities we have to choose from.

Because McNabb couldn't get it done last year, it's that simple. McNabb was less than mediocre for most of last season, we might as well play younger mediocrity that could possibly grow to become better. It's time to see what someone else can do; if that person ends up being worse than McNabb was, and he (McNabb) is still on the roster, than I would say give him another shot.

I honestly think that they will start the QB that practices the best if they ever get back to work.

TeeterSalad wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:If/when McNabb is gone then I won't be pining for the day he was here, but until then, he is he's a great QB and I don't know why we're looking at the rest of the mediocrities we have to choose from.

Because McNabb couldn't get it done last year, it's that simple

Sure, he had no chance and didn't deliver, silly me, my bad. A true quarterback don't need no stinking O-Line, more then one receiver or a running game, it's that simple. Thanks for splaining to me, I understand now. And it's not like he delivered when he had those things. Hmm..no wait...he did...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

TeeterSalad wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:If/when McNabb is gone then I won't be pining for the day he was here, but until then, he is he's a great QB and I don't know why we're looking at the rest of the mediocrities we have to choose from.

Because McNabb couldn't get it done last year, it's that simple

Sure, he had no chance and didn't deliver, silly me, my bad. A true quarterback don't need no stinking O-Line, more then one receiver or a running game, it's that simple. Thanks for splaining to me, I understand now. And it's not like he delivered when he had those things. Hmm..no wait...he did...

When exactly are you talking about when you say he delivered? His time in Philly or sometime this past season? Way to make a sensible post worth responding to.

This past season he delivered; he delivered the ball into the dirt short of receivers, he delivered the ball out of reach of easy touchdown catches, he delivered the ball to the sidelines etc.

By the way; Grossman had the same receivers, the same running game, and the same O-line and did better than McNabb last season.

TeeterSalad wrote:This past season he delivered; he delivered the ball into the dirt short of receivers, he delivered the ball out of reach of easy touchdown catches, he delivered the ball to the sidelines etc.

By the way; Grossman had the same receivers, the same running game, and the same O-line and did better than McNabb last season.

yes, and he also delivered the ball to the other team, many of which were simply brainless throws, utterly inexplicable and inexcusable for an 11-12 year veteran QB.

TeeterSalad wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

TeeterSalad wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:If/when McNabb is gone then I won't be pining for the day he was here, but until then, he is he's a great QB and I don't know why we're looking at the rest of the mediocrities we have to choose from.

Because McNabb couldn't get it done last year, it's that simple

Sure, he had no chance and didn't deliver, silly me, my bad. A true quarterback don't need no stinking O-Line, more then one receiver or a running game, it's that simple. Thanks for splaining to me, I understand now. And it's not like he delivered when he had those things. Hmm..no wait...he did...

When exactly are you talking about when you say he delivered? His time in Philly or sometime this past season? Way to make a sensible post worth responding to.

This past season he delivered; he delivered the ball into the dirt short of receivers, he delivered the ball out of reach of easy touchdown catches, he delivered the ball to the sidelines etc.

By the way; Grossman had the same receivers, the same running game, and the same O-line and did better than McNabb last season.

I love how you take a perennial pro-bowl quarterback who's gone to 5 NFC championship games and combine it with our long term inept O and bam, it's the quarterback's fault. Your argument is too dumb to give a serious response to which is why I didn't, and didn't again.

Are you going to also argue our aging team in Shannahan's fault? Your welcoming gift to new comers is blame for the half dozen years before they got here. That's a good recruiting strategy. Welcome, and thanks for nothing!

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I love how you take a perennial pro-bowl quarterback who's gone to 5 NFC championship games and combine it with our long term inept O and bam, it's the quarterback's fault. Your argument is too dumb to give a serious response to which is why I didn't, and didn't again.

regardless of his history, McNabb continually killed drives and turned the ball over on rookie mistakes. ROOKIE mistakes.

die cowboys die wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I love how you take a perennial pro-bowl quarterback who's gone to 5 NFC championship games and combine it with our long term inept O and bam, it's the quarterback's fault. Your argument is too dumb to give a serious response to which is why I didn't, and didn't again.

regardless of his history, McNabb continually killed drives and turned the ball over on rookie mistakes. ROOKIE mistakes.

You call them "rookie" I call them "running for your life with no one blocking and one guy to throw to."

to provide some perspective-by-comparison:

DONOVAN McNABB, 2010:
Completion Percentage: 58.3
Yards Per Attempt: 7.2
TD: 14
INT: 15

JASON CAMPBELL, 2009:
Completion Percentage: 64.5
Yards Per Attempt: 7.1
TD: 20
INT: 15


Jason Campbell, a supposedly much lesser QB than McNabb, significantly outperformed him despite the O-line being at least as bad in '09, or probably worse (e.g., no Trent Williams); and Kelly/D. Thomas in place of A. Armstrong. Not to mention playing in what is generally believed/assumed to be a vastly inferior offense from a scheme and playcalling standpoint.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I love how you take a perennial pro-bowl quarterback who's gone to 5 NFC championship games and combine it with our long term inept O and bam, it's the quarterback's fault. Your argument is too dumb to give a serious response to which is why I didn't, and didn't again.

regardless of his history, McNabb continually killed drives and turned the ball over on rookie mistakes. ROOKIE mistakes.

You call them "rookie" I call them "running for your life with no one blocking and one guy to throw to."

Moss
Armstrong
ey

He had enough weapons to post decent numbers.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Can you please add: NONE OF THE ABOVE or OTHER to the list of options?

That's my pick, NONE OF THE ABOVE!.. I'd rather go w/Sexy Rexy and Beck.. heck I'll suit up to be 3rd string QB if I have to.

Palmer- Old and broke up, will most like DIE in the NFC East
Young- Are you serious? Are you friggin serious?
Hasselback- Probably would've been my choice but Shan likes "athletic" guys right? So obviously Matt's old butt wouldn't work here.

JC's OLine was 1,000,000,000 x's better than our AARP OLine. I think that's the main reason why JC was very slightly better.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I love how you take a perennial pro-bowl quarterback who's gone to 5 NFC championship games and combine it with our long term inept O and bam, it's the quarterback's fault. Your argument is too dumb to give a serious response to which is why I didn't, and didn't again.

Are you going to also argue our aging team in Shannahan's fault? Your welcoming gift to new comers is blame for the half dozen years before they got here. That's a good recruiting strategy. Welcome, and thanks for nothing!

The argument that McNabb played like garbage last year is a dumb argument?

There were games when the O-line held up decently well and McNabb still choked and missed easy throws. There were also games when the running game got going strong and McNabb couldn't hit the throws needed to sustain a drive. When did McNabb have an elite receiving corps in Philly? I guess I don't remember that. McNabb is not the same QB he was during his pro-bowl years in Philly, not even close; then again Andy Reid probably knew that.

I'm not saying that its all his fault or that he can't turn it around, I'm just saying that based on last season I think they should give somebody else a go, and see how they do. Hell, Grossman did better than McNabb so what can it hurt? Oh and I apologize if this just comes off to you as another dumb argument.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I love how you take a perennial pro-bowl quarterback who's gone to 5 NFC championship games and combine it with our long term inept O and bam, it's the quarterback's fault. Your argument is too dumb to give a serious response to which is why I didn't, and didn't again.

regardless of his history, McNabb continually killed drives and turned the ball over on rookie mistakes. ROOKIE mistakes.

You call them "rookie" I call them "running for your life with no one blocking and one guy to throw to."

Moss
Armstrong
ey

He had enough weapons to post decent numbers.

As I said, one "receiver." Yes, he also had a tight end to dump off too. Portis is also a good back out of the backfield when he's playing. But you're supporting my point, and adding comedy.

TeeterSalad wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I love how you take a perennial pro-bowl quarterback who's gone to 5 NFC championship games and combine it with our long term inept O and bam, it's the quarterback's fault. Your argument is too dumb to give a serious response to which is why I didn't, and didn't again.

Are you going to also argue our aging team in Shannahan's fault? Your welcoming gift to new comers is blame for the half dozen years before they got here. That's a good recruiting strategy. Welcome, and thanks for nothing!

The argument that McNabb played like garbage last year is a dumb argument?

There were games when the O-line held up decently well and McNabb still choked and missed easy throws. There were also games when the running game got going strong and McNabb couldn't hit the throws needed to sustain a drive. When did McNabb have an elite receiving corps in Philly? I guess I don't remember that. McNabb is not the same QB he was during his pro-bowl years in Philly, not even close; then again Andy Reid probably knew that.

I'm not saying that its all his fault or that he can't turn it around, I'm just saying that based on last season I think they should give somebody else a go, and see how they do. Hell, Grossman did better than McNabb so what can it hurt? Oh and I apologize if this just comes off to you as another dumb argument.

You take an offense that's been dreadful for years and place a quarterback who's a perennial winner and is HOF bound and obviously the problem is the quarterback. Gotcha. Just because three of you stamp your feet and insist doesn't make it any less reality challenged.

I'm with you Kazzo.. I don't understand how folks can compare Mcnugget's performance with his filly oline compared to our non-existent oline.