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QB- ???

RB-
FB-

TE- Chris ey

WR- Santana Moss
WR- Leonard Hankerson (3rd Round, 2011)
WR- Anthony Armstrong

LT- Trent Williams
LG-
C-
RG-
RT-

Lots of holes obviously. McNabb's status is in question, the running back position is in turmoil, Mike Sellers is old, tight end and wide receiver actually seem pretty solid, and we're back to uncertainty on the line (which can hopefully be filled today in the last day of the draft.)

Here's the thing, the line is going to be rebuilt this year so you have to look at who's here and is a viable starter:

LT: Williams
LG:
C: Rabach
RG: Hicks
RT: Brown (New Orleans trade)

As for the RB position I don't have any concern there only b/c of Shanny's history. FB will be Sellers (until he retires) and we have Young who if I remember was a RB at Citidel.

Lastly:

WR #1 - Kelly
WR #2 - Armstrong
WR #3 - Hankerson

Now for my WR list here, again I'm only using guys who are under contract. Moss is a FA. Kelly will be the #1 only b/c that's what he's practiced and b/c he's not hurt right now, he's slotted in that position.

Armstrong is not a #1 - WR. If we put him in at #1, we're screwed b/c he doesn't have the skill set to be a #1.

And finally I listed Hankerson as the #3 solely b/c he's a rookie coming into a complex offense that will take him some time to grow into.

Not sure that Hicks will be starter. He kinda lost his starting job by the end of the year didnt he?

And Sellers will be the starting FB this year. Going into the future is this his last year? I don't know. But he will be starting again most likely.

Armstrong will probably be in the slot, that's why I think Hankerson will be a #2.

Also, Shanahan's reputation on drafting running backs is really mainly due to his typically awesome line. When you have a hall of fame LT in Zimmerman, a star LG in Schlereth and an All-Pro C in Tom Nalen it's a lot easier to run.

Even though those guys were eventually replaced, the line was always decent.

With us, we have Trent Williams, who's still largely unproven, Rabach who is old, Lichtensteiger who's "just a guy" and that's about it. The o-line is in shambles, and we definitely need to devote some picks to it. Hopefully guys like Capers and Cook can step up too.

I think Hicks will play for us this year b/c last year he was banged up. I think the year before he was coming off an ACL which everyone says (and I know personally) that it takes a good year to come back from. But he's extremely versatile in that he can play Guard and RT which is what he did at Minny & somewhere else before he was at Minny.

....and don't be surprised if we don't resign Moss and have either Banks or Austin filling in the slot position roll that Moss ran so well this past year when we went 3 wide.

Don't forget about big Mike Williams on the O-line. Anyone have an update on him? How he's doing health wise? is he under contract? Is he in shape?

No idea but I do know that the coaches really liked him at RG. I do think he is under contract but could be wrong.

frankcal20 wrote:No idea but I do know that the coaches really liked him at RG. I do think he is under contract but could be wrong.

Even if he's not I wouldn't think we'd have trouble re-signing him

Skinsfan55 wrote:Armstrong will probably be in the slot, that's why I think Hankerson will be a #2.

Also, Shanahan's reputation on drafting running backs is really mainly due to his typically awesome line. When you have a hall of fame LT in Zimmerman, a star LG in Schlereth and an All-Pro C in Tom Nalen it's a lot easier to run.

Even though those guys were eventually replaced, the line was always decent.

With us, we have Trent Williams, who's still largely unproven, Rabach who is old, Lichtensteiger who's "just a guy" and that's about it. The o-line is in shambles, and we definitely need to devote some picks to it. Hopefully guys like Capers and Cook can step up too.

Trent Williams largely unproven? The amount of pro bowl defensive ends he faced in his rookie year was astounding. If he can't get credit for that, then I don't know how to qualify him as 'proven'...

VetSkinsFan wrote:Trent Williams largely unproven? The amount of pro bowl defensive ends he faced in his rookie year was astounding. If he can't get credit for that, then I don't know how to qualify him as 'proven'...

A rookie year with some ups and downs but it's yet to be seen if he's the real deal. If you're ready to crown him the second coming of Orlando Pace then fine, I'm not.

Skinsfan55 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Trent Williams largely unproven? The amount of pro bowl defensive ends he faced in his rookie year was astounding. If he can't get credit for that, then I don't know how to qualify him as 'proven'...

A rookie year with some ups and downs but it's yet to be seen if he's the real deal. If you're ready to crown him the second coming of Orlando Pace then fine, I'm not.

I didn't say he was a perennial pro bowler, but he faced some fierce opponents, including DeMarcus Ware week 1. He's solid IMO. There is more than one extreme or the other.

Williams had a decent season but I'm sure he'll tell you that he needs to work on a lot of parts of his game to get to the Pro-Bowl level.

This year there will be nearly 200 free agents in the NFL who were starters last year. It's too early to tell what our lineup will look like yet.

The Hogster wrote:This year there will be nearly 200 free agents in the NFL who were starters last year. It's too early to tell what our lineup will look like yet.

We also need to keep in mind that the offensive line did start to play a little better towards the end of the season

we will be adding some free agents to both the offensive and defensive line for sure


this group is still in a rebuilding mode and we helped ourselves by adding 12 players through the draft - the most players we have added through the draft since 1985

If we need to trade for another player I hope we trade players and not draft picks - we need to continue to add to our 2012 draft picks any way we can

The Hogster wrote:This year there will be nearly 200 free agents in the NFL who were starters last year. It's too early to tell what our lineup will look like yet.

Let us hope we can find some linemen out of the 200 FA available.

I hope we replace Rabach somehow, some way. Put Montgomery at C. I don't want to see Rabach.

And for the record I think Beck will be the QB.

Any news on OG Big Mike Williams? How is the blood clot situation? He could help out the Oline.

spudstr04 wrote:Any news on OG Big Mike Williams? How is the blood clot situation? He could help out the Oline.

I don't know but, I have to ask, is he going to be faster and quicker than Dock? I doubt it. Dock was clearly the best left guard we had and he wasn't a good fit for the Shans. Maybe it was all a bunch of bull and there was something else going on that I am not aware of. Someone please enlighten me.

MDSKINSFAN wrote:I hope we replace Rabach somehow, some way. Put Montgomery at C. I don't want to see Rabach.

And for the record I think Beck will be the QB.

I am with you on Rabach.

As for Beck, one of the "experts" interviewed on the LaVar and Dukes show believes that the building up of Beck is a tactic to negotiate Grossman's contract in case Grossman thinks he should get starter pay (We all know how Mike is about telling it straight to the media). That "expert", I am sorry I can't remember his name, believes that a veteran will be signed during free agency. That is not to say, Beck will not end up the starter. It does seem like Grossman and Beck have a leg up on any veteran brought in because of the knowledge of the O.

With all that being said, I would not be surprised that Beck is the starter. The "expert's" only knock on Beck is that the critics beleived that he lacked toughness. He got banged up a bit in his first pre-season appearance last year, he seemed tough to me.

Dockery is not playing for this franchise - he's not good enough

SkinsJock wrote:Dockery is not playing for this franchise - he's not good enough

It's obvious he isn't playing for this franchise; or isn't good enough. I guess I should assume that Big Mike is?

That was what I was referring to. Both are huge and the Shans seems to favor speed rather than muscle and bulk. I am keeping my fingers crossed but somehow my feeling on it seems to favor bigger and stronger in the NFC EAST.