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The Skins traded down which looks like it's 100% the right move. QB starved teams like Cincy, Arizona and San Fran passed on Gabbart so it seems like there's some doubt about him. We traded back and still got a guy with an extremely high motor who will never, ever quit.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... h-kerrigan

From ScoutsInc: How he fits: He should fit nicely in Jim Haslett's 3-4 defense. The Redskins have really needed a bookend for their best pass-rusher, Brian Orakpo, who will now see less double teams. Right now, the other starter, Lorenzo Alexander, is probably a better run stopper than pass rusher and even though Kerrigan is not an elite edge rusher, he is a try-hard guy who will greatly improve the pressure this unit tries to create.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6446007

Todd McShay: "No chance [Kerrigan's] gonna be a bust in the NFL..." "Ready to play right away for the Redskins"

Bleacher Report: This may be a bit of a homer ranking, but I honestly believe that Shanahan and the Redskins executed their draft plan perfectly. Even with guys like Robert Quinn and Cameron Jordan available at No. 10, Washington toughens up and trades back to acquire an additional second-rounder (49th) and they take a hard-working, pass-rushing, blue-collar end like Ryan Kerrigan at No. 16. This may not be the sexiest pick for the Skins, but it’s logical and smart — something Redskins Nation really isn’t used to.

Whether or not you wanted someone else, as Redskins fans I'm sure we all want the same thing now... for him to have a long and productive career in Washington.

Welcome to Washington Ryan!

Yeah........I'll take that.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Whether or not you wanted someone else, as Redskins fans I'm sure we all want the same thing now... for him to have a long and productive career in Washington.

You would be WRONG in that assumption.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:Whether or not you wanted someone else, as Redskins fans I'm sure we all want the same thing now... for him to have a long and productive career in Washington.

You would be WRONG in that assumption.

It's not an assumption, if you're a Redskins fan you want Kerrigan to do well, if you're not, you don't.

Skinsfan55 wrote:It's not an assumption, if you're a Redskins fan you want Kerrigan to do well, if you're not, you don't.

Then I must not be a "Redskins fan" because I have no use for the kid. Then again as someone who puts ideals and philosophy above rooting interests, that wouldn't be terribly unusual when it comes to this team.

This guy is going to make an immediate impact and will be a disruptive force opposite Orakpo this year. Great pickup, welcome Mr. Kerrigan.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:It's not an assumption, if you're a Redskins fan you want Kerrigan to do well, if you're not, you don't.

Then I must not be a "Redskins fan" because I have no use for the kid. Then again as someone who puts ideals and philosophy above rooting interests, that wouldn't be terribly unusual when it comes to this team.

You're an idiot. Look, I made clear I didn't like the pick. But he's a good kid and he's now on YOUR team. So support him.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:It's not an assumption, if you're a Redskins fan you want Kerrigan to do well, if you're not, you don't.

Then I must not be a "Redskins fan" because I have no use for the kid. Then again as someone who puts ideals and philosophy above rooting interests, that wouldn't be terribly unusual when it comes to this team.

You're an idiot. Look, I made clear I didn't like the pick. But he's a good kid and he's now on YOUR team. So support him.

Good to hear you say that, because up until now, I put you and R_F in the same boat. Good god, how can you not like this kid. I've watched him for 3 years at Purdue. I'm a HUGE Purdue fan and this dude is gonna be a fan favorite. Plays his heart out and NEVER stops. He's played on a mediocre team where the opposition doubles him all the time, and STILL the kid leads the nation in forced fumbles and wins defensive player of the year awards. Give me 22 players like that and I'll bet on a Championship

CanesSkins26 wrote:You're an idiot. Look, I made clear I didn't like the pick. But he's a good kid and he's now on YOUR team. So support him.

I don't care if he's the best kid on the planet or the next Mother Theressa; that has nothing to do with it. I'll admit that I could be totally wrong about him, but I just do not see him living up to the expectations that I have for a First Round Pick. Maybe I'll be wrong, but I kind of doubt it. Until he's on the field and proving me wrong on a week-in and week-out basis I cannot and will not support him. Sorry if you don't like that, but that's the way I do things.

I've watched him for 3 years at Purdue. I'm a HUGE Purdue fan and this dude is gonna be a fan favorite. Plays his heart out and NEVER stops. He's played on a mediocre team where the opposition doubles him all the time, and STILL the kid leads the nation in forced fumbles and wins defensive player of the year awards. Give me 22 players like that and I'll bet on a Championship

I have nothing against him, personally. My two issues are:

1. We passed on an elite player in Fairley to draft a significantly less talented player in Kerrigan.
2. I don't think that he can play 3-4 lb.

With that said, I hope he proves me wrong and tears it up for us.

chiefhog44 wrote:Good god, how can you not like this kid. I've watched him for 3 years at Purdue. I'm a HUGE Purdue fan and this dude is gonna be a fan favorite. Plays his heart out and NEVER stops. He's played on a mediocre team where the opposition doubles him all the time, and STILL the kid leads the nation in forced fumbles and wins defensive player of the year awards. Give me 22 players like that and I'll bet on a Championship

I can not like him because he was not a good value at the spot he was taken, he's a liability in pass defense from what I've seen, he does not have great technique, etc.... He's got a great motor. Wonderful. So do a lot of other guys. The question comes down to.... "Does he have First Round, Immediate Impact, First Day of Training Camp Starter" TALENT. From what I've read the answer is a definitive NO.

I hear a lot about heart and fire and chemistry and all that other BS. Sorry, I'm much more interested in raw athletic ability and TALENT. I just don't believe this kid can live up to my expectations of the #10 pick in the First Round (yes, I know he was selected at #16, but my expectations are based on where our pick WAS, not where it ended up being).

Not gonna sit here and argue with you two. This is exactly the kind of kid we want on our team.

Welcome Ryan.

Well that's not a good evaluation because any way you cut it, he's the #16 pick. If you want to look at it entirely, let's wait and see who we pick up with the 2nd pick until you jump off the ledge.

As for immediate impact, from the post draft analysis, it appears that he's a lock to start day one. That with Orakpo o n the other side, teams are going to have to account for him immediately. One article I read this morning said that he will be used a lot like Matthews in Green Bay. If that's not good enough, you're not a smart individual. And just to clarify, he was rated as a mid-first round grade and one of the top DE/OLB's in the draft.

Some simple math problems.

Orakpo + Kerrigan = Sacks
Orakpo + Kerrigan = Turnovers
Orakpo + Kerrigan = Frightened QB's

More importantly...

Orakpo + Kerrigan = KER-RAK-PO!!!

or

Orakpo + Kerrigan = KER-AK-IGAN!!!

frankcal20 wrote:Well that's not a good evaluation because any way you cut it, he's the #16 pick. If you want to look at it entirely, let's wait and see who we pick up with the 2nd pick until you jump off the ledge.

That's the way I look at the first round. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but it's the criteria I use. I would have prefered to see them trade down again from #16.

frankcal20 wrote:As for immediate impact, from the post draft analysis, it appears that he's a lock to start day one. That with Orakpo o n the other side, teams are going to have to account for him immediately. One article I read this morning said that he will be used a lot like Matthews in Green Bay. If that's not good enough, you're not a smart individual. And just to clarify, he was rated as a mid-first round grade and one of the top DE/OLB's in the draft.

A large part of my concern is that we now have two OLB's who can't cover a back or tight end. They're both rush-type OLB's; and while I like that idea it means that unless Haslett is actually willing to take the training wheels off and play an AGGRESSIVE, ATTACKING, KAMIKAZE style of defense, both Kerrigan and Orakpo are potential defensive liabilities. Haslett showed me nothing last year that makes me believe he's willing to take the training wheels off that defense of his, and that still scares me. I like the 3-4 but it has to be an AGGRESSIVE defense or it doesn't work.

I have seen him rated at low as the #7 DE and not even listed at OLB in some places. His "natural" position in the NFL was supposedly 4-3 DE from what I've seen in several locations. I have also generally seen him listed as low as #40-50 on the overall boards several places. That just doesn't scream "#10/16 pick in the First Round to me.

frankcal20 wrote:Well that's not a good evaluation because any way you cut it, he's the #16 pick. If you want to look at it entirely, let's wait and see who we pick up with the 2nd pick until you jump off the ledge.

That's the way I look at the first round. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but it's the criteria I use. I would have prefered to see them trade down again from #16. As for the second round picks.... I hold very little faith that they're going to get anything I believe to be of value with either of them.

frankcal20 wrote:As for immediate impact, from the post draft analysis, it appears that he's a lock to start day one. That with Orakpo o n the other side, teams are going to have to account for him immediately. One article I read this morning said that he will be used a lot like Matthews in Green Bay. If that's not good enough, you're not a smart individual. And just to clarify, he was rated as a mid-first round grade and one of the top DE/OLB's in the draft.

A large part of my concern is that we now have two OLB's who can't cover a back or tight end. They're both rush-type OLB's; and while I like that idea it means that unless Haslett is actually willing to take the training wheels off and play an AGGRESSIVE, ATTACKING, KAMIKAZE style of defense, both Kerrigan and Orakpo are potential defensive liabilities. Haslett showed me nothing last year that makes me believe he's willing to take the training wheels off that defense of his, and that still scares me. I like the 3-4 but it has to be an AGGRESSIVE defense or it doesn't work.

I have seen him rated at low as the #7 DE and not even listed at OLB in some places. His "natural" position in the NFL was supposedly 4-3 DE from what I've seen in several locations. I have also generally seen him listed as low as #40-50 on the overall boards several places. That just doesn't scream "#10/16 pick in the First Round to me.

INDEED

Welcome to Washington Ryan Kerrigan!

[quote="Redskins_Fanatic"][quote="CanesSkins26"]You're an idiot. Look, I made clear I didn't like the pick. But he's a good kid and he's now on YOUR team. So support him.[/quote]

I don't care if he's the best kid on the planet or the next Mother Theressa; that has nothing to do with it. I'll admit that I could be totally wrong about him, but I just do not see him living up to the expectations that I have for a First Round Pick. Maybe I'll be wrong, but I kind of doubt it. Until he's on the field and proving me wrong on a week-in and week-out basis I cannot and will not support him. Sorry if you don't like that, but that's the way I do things.[/quote]


But you said that you HOPE he fails. Hope for the best. In two years, if he is a flop, than you can rant about how horrible he is. But until then, SHUT UP!!!!!

Sorry Mods.. I know personal stuff is supposed to go to Smack, but this guy ......

Fanatic,

Haslett couldn't tkae off the training wheels last year because we didn't have enough of the personnel, and we were learning the new Defense. Finish patching up the spots we need, an I am sure it will be a great product. I had a friend who owned a restaurant once. His slogan was, "We ain't fast food. Good food takes time." I think you can apply the same here. It will take a little bit of time for the finished product to be exceptional. Kerrigan is going to be a major ingredient to making that happen.

Mississippi Hog wrote:Fanatic,

Haslett couldn't tkae off the training wheels last year because we didn't have enough of the personnel, and we were learning the new Defense. Finish patching up the spots we need, an I am sure it will be a great product. I had a friend who owned a restaurant once. His slogan was, "We ain't fast food. Good food takes time." I think you can apply the same here. It will take a little bit of time for the finished product to be exceptional. Kerrigan is going to be a major ingredient to making that happen.

There's a difference between "It takes 20 minutes to properly broil that steak" and "The cook doesn't know how to broil the steak so we're not going to put it on the menu." You teach him how to cook it. If he still can't cook it, YOU FIRE HIM!!!!! Last year there was no Salary Cap. We could have cut ANYONE at ANY TIME for ANY REASON. You show the first two or three starters to the door the rest of them figure out they better get their heads out of their keisters before they lose their jobs too.

Time is one commodity that NFL coaches don't get a lot of. Especially in this organization. If Haslett has a four year plan to turn the defense around he's likely to find himself executing the last year or two of it from his couch at home.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:Whether or not you wanted someone else, as Redskins fans I'm sure we all want the same thing now... for him to have a long and productive career in Washington.

You would be WRONG in that assumption.

He would be right, he said Redskin fans all want that, he did not say we are all Redskin fans which you would have been right to challenge

Need I mention that I read at least 3 mock drafts that thought the Skins would pick Kerrigan at #10? So, if Shanahan had him in mind the entire time, I would say getting him + picking up an extra 2nd rounder was brilliant.

I think Kerrigan will do well. I mean we rolled with Carter and the One man gang last year. I like both of them but they can't cover either and didn't do much to rush the passer last year either.

To me it looks like an immediate upgrade for the starting LBs.

I think a lot of people wanted fairley, but I don't see him playing in a 3-4. A 3-4 end? maybe but thats not his position at all. 3-4 NT also not his position at all. It would be the same issue with Karrigan of moving a guy to a new position.

Fairley was also criticized for taking plays off, missing team meetings, missing flights to the combine, not training hard. I don't think that is what we need on the redskins another out of position NT that doesn't like to practice or work hard. We already have one of those.

Go Karrigan and Go skins for picking up another pick tonight!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/ryan-kerrigan-is-redskins-superman/2011/04/28/AFVGHk9E_blog.html

A whole blog post about newest Redskin Ryan Kerrigan’s nickname? Sure, why not, when that nickname is Superman.

“He’s smart, big, good-looking, fast and strong,” Purdue Coach Danny Hope once said. “He’s Superman in a lot of ways. That’s what the players call him, and he is.”

“The guys joke around and call me Superman because I’m kind of strong,” Kerrigan said in 2009. “They say I’m like Clark Kent. If they want to call me that, so be it.”

“He can do anything from a player standpoint,” Hope told the AP in 2010. “He can go longer and harder than most. He’s faster than most. He’s bigger than most. Stronger than most. Smarter than most. Better looking than most. He’s Superman. He’s our Superman.”

I like the nickname!

KazooSkinsFan wrote:He would be right, he said Redskin fans all want that, he did not say we are all Redskin fans which you would have been right to challenge

From that point of view you're right to a certain extent. Of course you folks who have complete loyalty to this team no matter what they do remind me largely of the US Cavalry Soldiers under one General George Armstrong Custer; and I get the feeling this team's leadership might not even have the tactical abilities of that infamous American military commander.