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FO trades down and adds draft picks - BIG TIME
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:31 pm
by SkinsJock
what a good move by the FO to add to our draft picks and then to take a player like Kerrigan who promises to be a force in pressuring the passer
this could be a great draft for this franchise
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:34 pm
by Skinsfan55
I dunno, Blaine Gabbart fell into our laps, and we reached on a LB prospect who's never played in a 3-4 scheme before. Kind of risky when there were other guys available.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:39 pm
by CanesSkins26
Skinsfan55 wrote:I dunno, Blaine Gabbart fell into our laps, and we reached on a LB prospect who's never played in a 3-4 scheme before. Kind of risky when there were other guys available.
Exactly. Not worth the risk at all just to add a second rounder. Fairley, Prince, and Gabbert sitting there for the taking and we end up with Kerrigan. No doubt the kid has a good motor, but he isn't an elite talent and there were plenty of players available with far more upside. When you lack elite talent on your team like we do, this isn't a pick that you make.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:41 pm
by Skinsfan55
Yeah, I think Kerrigan is going to be an asset to the team. He's not likely to be a flop, but he's also very unlikely to be a star, and we definitely need some star power.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:44 pm
by CanesSkins26
Watch the Packers end up with Mark Ingram.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:51 pm
by Redskin in Canada
The coin is still in the air boys and girls.
It all depends whom we pick in the second round with TWO choices.
Stay tuned. I reserve my opinion until tomorrow night.
Keep my fingers crossed.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:24 pm
by The Hogster
I really hope Kerrigan proves me wrong. But, he's more Jared Allen than Clay Matthews. In short, he's a talented 4-3 end, but I'm not sure he can play OLB--pass coverage especially.
We convert to a 3-4 defense and then take a 4-3 end.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:26 pm
by northcarolinaredskin
Guys, Kerrigan will be a great addition to the team, Shanahan believes that Kerrigan will transfer easily into the OLB position in our 3-4. I believe he will be a perfect compliment to Orakpo on the other side and will be able to provide help in the run game as well pass rushing. He is also much faster than people give him credit for. Shanahan and Allen know what they are doing. I hope Kerrigan proves every critic wrong and i think he has the motor to do so. the B&G is moving in the right direction, have to start somewhere.
I do wish Pouncey would have been available I must add.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:33 pm
by CanesSkins26
Shanahan and Allen know what they are doing.
That's certainly debatable at this point in their DC tenure.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:42 pm
by frankcal20
Canes - It's really too early to say if the player will be an impact player or not. We're not going to know until the draft this time next year. It's not like we took a player who stinks. All the guys say that he's a solid pick and will be a good player in the NFL. I like the under the radar guy. Have to say I'm tired of the big name guy who comes in with high expectations and all. Let him do his thing. Get in there and learn. He's athletic and smart. That's a pretty good combination. Before we say he's a flop, let him get in the building first.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:48 pm
by CanesSkins26
It's not like we took a player who stinks.
I think he is going to stink as a 3-4 lb. If we were running a 4-3 and he was going to play end, it would've made some sense. But risking a first rounder on this kid being able to play 3-4 lb, which Shanahan said they are basing on his Combine performance, instead of taking someone like Fairley or Prince, is an unnecessary risk. We don't have the luxury of risking a first rounder on Kerrigan's ability to convert to a 3-4 lb.
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:52 pm
by frankcal20
Fairly is a one year wonder who has a lot of video that he takes a lot of plays off (See Albert) and Prince has a knack for dropping INT's. We have/had (pending CBA) in that in Rogers. Keep in mind that Orakpo was a DE at TX, not OLB. He converted pretty well IMO.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:01 am
by (d)oink
CanesSkins26 wrote:Shanahan and Allen know what they are doing.
That's certainly debatable at this point in their DC tenure.
If it were a debate, I would hate to take the "Shanahan and Allen know what they are doing" side of it.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:01 am
by CanesSkins26
frankcal20 wrote:Fairly is a one year wonder who has a lot of video that he takes a lot of plays off (See Albert) and Prince has a knack for dropping INT's. We have/had (pending CBA) in that in Rogers. Keep in mind that Orakpo was a DE at TX, not OLB. He converted pretty well IMO.
Orakpo is also far more athletic than Kerrigan and he himself has had some issues in pass coverage. Orakpo ran a faster 40 and had better 10 yard and 20 yard splits than Kerrigan. Orakpo also has a higher vertical and tested better in the broad jump at the Combine.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:02 am
by CanesSkins26
(d)oink wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Shanahan and Allen know what they are doing.
That's certainly debatable at this point in their DC tenure.
If it were a debate, I would hate to take the "Shanahan and Allen know what they are doing" side of it.
Yup, Allen certainly showed that he knew what he was doing in Tampa Bay. Oh, wait...
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:11 am
by frankcal20
Allen wasn't part of the drafting process in TB.
As for Kerrigan's stats, you can't compare him to Orakpo who's one of the NFL's best OLB's in the game. If he's a notch below Orakpo, we're going to be very happy.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:15 am
by CanesSkins26
As for Kerrigan's stats, you can't compare him to Orakpo who's one of the NFL's best OLB's in the game. If he's a notch below Orakpo, we're going to be very happy.
You're right, they aren't comparable. Orakpo is atheltic enough to play 3-4 lb, Kerrigan isn't.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:17 am
by frankcal20
What do you do again for a living b/c based on the strength of your comments, you're in the wrong field. You should be on ESPN as a top level analyst. Wait, or maybe a team President who tells NFL coaches who have SB rings and more experience in the NFL than your age what to do.
Let me make some calls for you.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:20 am
by chiefhog44
The other reason not to take Prince is because if, and it looks as if it will happen, the league decides to extend the curtrent agreement, Rogers is still our starting CB. Taking a caculated risk.
We can pick up a WR in free agency.
Hopefully pick up a Center in the 2nd
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:22 am
by CanesSkins26
Allen wasn't part of the drafting process in TB.
He was the GM. Ultimately, he is responsible for all football matters.
Regarding Allen...
Overall inefficiency. Of his 51 draft picks since 2004, only 23 were still with the Bucs at the end of the 2008 season. Of 33 unrestricted and restricted free agents signed under Allen, 17 weren't on the opening day roster in 2008.
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article968391.ece
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:22 am
by frankcal20
Don't forget that Phillip is also a RFA as well.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:34 am
by CanesSkins26
frankcal20 wrote:What do you do again for a living b/c based on the strength of your comments, you're in the wrong field. You should be on ESPN as a top level analyst. Wait, or maybe a team President who tells NFL coaches who have SB rings and more experience in the NFL than your age what to do.
Let me make some calls for you.
Experience doesn't mean a thing if you're not winning. The bottom line is that Allen ran the Bucs into the ground, and Shanahan has only won one playoff game in the last 11 years and got himself fired from his last job also. "Experience" didn't seem to help Shanahan too much when he wasted two picks on McNabb. All that "experience" certainly hasn't helped Shanahan with drafting defensive players throughout his career, unless of course you consider players like Robert Ayers, Jarvis Moss, and Tim Crowder to be good draft choices.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:37 am
by CanesSkins26
AlbertBreer
Quarterback dynamic, as @greggrosenthal wrote, is gonna be interesting. Perception: Kaepernick is Buffalo's type; Cincy's smitten w/Dalton.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:39 am
by Smithian
CanesSkins26 wrote:Shanahan and Allen know what they are doing.
That's certainly debatable at this point in their DC tenure.
You can't rebuild a disaster zone in one year.
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:44 am
by CanesSkins26
Smithian wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:Shanahan and Allen know what they are doing.
That's certainly debatable at this point in their DC tenure.
You can't rebuild a disaster zone in one year.
Agree 100%. However, they've done their fare share to contribute to the disaster. Too early to pass judgment, but also way too early to say that they are the answer.