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I read an article naming the worst draft picks from every team in the last ten years and Patrick Ramsey was named worst for the Redskins.

I'd have to agree.

Ramsey was big and had a cannon arm. He went to a damn good school at Tulane, and instead of being the typical jock who coasts through classes he double majored in accounting an finance. He was an academic who in school had successfully juggled a demanding curriculum and Division 1 football. I thought for sure his intelligence, ability and the tutelage of QB expert Steve Spurrier would be a winning combo for Ramsey.

Instead he faltered and never started a whole season. Spurrier was gone after 2003 and Gibbs took over and realized Ramsey wasn't a starting QB and got Brunnel immediately. Ramsey never had a chance and went for a 6th round pick a few years after being drafted.

We needed a QB badly, and IIRC we even traded back and landed our man Ramsey but passed on Ed Reed, Lito Sheppard, Andre Gurode, LeCharles Bentley, and Clinton Portis among others.

What other pick since 2000 could qualify for our worst draft pick? Taylor Jacobs? (Anquan Boldin went about 10 picks later), Devin Thomas? I still think they were right on Ramsey.

Heath Shuler... not even close. To call it Ramsey ignores the idiocy of throwing a rookie quarterback into a cauldron in which pass protection was limited to a quick release. The kid was destroyed by Spurrier. Gibbs was not able to salvage him... his head was too messed up.

Heath Shuler, on the other hand, was a catastrophe that the team was still suffering from when Ramsey was selected.

Shuler. Not even close. Case closed. End of story.

The subject is, "Worst pick since 2000"... end of story...

You could pick about any QB or WR we've drafted since 2000...

Look at these names and tell me how much production we got out of our "skill position" picks... compare this list with any other team in our division...

QB; Todd Husak, Sage Rosenfels, Patrick Ramsey, Gibran Hamdan, Jason Campbell, Jordan Palmer, Colt Brennan

WR; Ethan Howell, Rod Gardner, Cliff Russell, Taylor Jacobs, Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, Marko Mitchell, Terrence Austin

USAFSkinFan wrote:You could pick about any QB or WR we've drafted since 2000...

Look at these names and tell me how much production we got out of our "skill position" picks... compare this list with any other team in our division...

QB; Todd Husak, Sage Rosenfels, Patrick Ramsey, Gibran Hamdan, Jason Campbell, Jordan Palmer, Colt Brennan

WR; Ethan Howell, Rod Gardner, Cliff Russell, Taylor Jacobs, Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, Marko Mitchell, Terrence Austin

Marko caught the first Skins fade TD pass in who knows when and it has since been the last fade TD for the Skins (Too bad it was in pre-season so our streak continues). Other than that none of those WRs did anything significantly. Oh wait - Malcom Kelly had 84 yd non-scoring pass play in which one of the Charger's JVers ran him down. Oh, still another, Devin Thomas blocked a punt - oh yeah, that was against us - nevermind. But then again, that should count as multiple votes for him to get the award.

I agree with Countertry, Heath Shuler is by far the worst draft pick.

I would not agree with the Patrick Ramsey selection because he was served up as a sacrifice by Spurrier for his Fun n Gun offense (he got hit more than a baseball in the World Series) and was then screwed by Gibbs. He never really had a chance to prove what he could do or couldn't do. Granted, he didn't do anything much after that.

To bad we can't list Spurrier and Brunell as draft piucks. They would rate 1 and 2 in my book.

Guys, it's worst draft pick since 2000, so Heath Shuler does not qualify. Durrrrrr.

Obviously he was a disaster of a high pick, and he and Desmond Howard would duke it out for worst pick of all time but who is the worst in the last ten years?

Well, if you are going to limit it from 2000 on then I would have to say Rod Gardner in 2001. He was the number 1 pick as a WR. He did last a while though but was never very productive. Didn't someone label him as "stone hands"?

I would say Taylor Jacobs because he was chosen 44th and Anquan Boldin was chosen 54th. Spurrier chose Jacobs just because he was a Gator. If he done just a little looking around, we could possibly had drafted Boldin with that selection.

I cannot choose Ramsey because he gave his all and got no protection from Spurriers silly offense. Like CT, I think that Ramsey's career would have been a lot different had he has a professional football coach.

I would have to say Jason Campbell.

Unlike Ramsey, he arrived when Gibbs was already here and was fielding a pretty decent team that had playoff chances.

He was not "forced" into the starting QB position. He held a notebook for what? One, two seasons?

Devin Thomas and/or Malcolm Kelly. Both second round picks, both complete failures, both taken in the same draft. Double the failure.

brad7686 wrote:Devin Thomas and/or Malcolm Kelly. Both second round picks, both complete failures, both taken in the same draft. Double the failure.

+1

Who is.... "All of Them", Alex.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Who is.... "All of Them", Alex.

You're right, LaVar Arrington, Chris Samuels, Derrick Dockery, Sean Taylor, Chris ey, Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh, LaRon Landry, Brian Orakpo and Trent Williams have all sucked.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Who is.... "All of Them", Alex.

sniff, sniff, sniff...

aswas71788 wrote:Well, if you are going to limit it from 2000 on then I would have to say Rod Gardner in 2001. He was the number 1 pick as a WR. He did last a while though but was never very productive. Didn't someone label him as "stone hands"?

They called him 50/50 because those were the odds he'd actually catch a pass. Hard for me to vote for him though because for the first two years it looked like a pretty good pick, but the wheels fell off.

Although, on second thought the 2001 draft was heavy with wideouts. Reggie Wayne, Chad Ochocinco, Chris Chambers, and Steve Smith all went soon after. Looks pretty bad considering.

El Mexican wrote:I would have to say Jason Campbell.

Unlike Ramsey, he arrived when Gibbs was already here and was fielding a pretty decent team that had playoff chances.

He was not "forced" into the starting QB position. He held a notebook for what? One, two seasons?

I actually think all that sitting stunted his growth. It occurs to me that you learn by doing, especially in athletics. Holding a clipboard and running the scout team for a year and a half seems detrimental to development. Football moves quickly, decisions need to be made fast at QB... how do you best prepare for that? Get in the lineup and take your lumps or sit on the bench for a year and a half, losing the feel for game speed?

I think if JC had started right away, or gone to an organization that didn't have their heads up their collective rear ends like the Redskins he would be much more successful.

Skinsfan55 wrote:You're right, LaVar Arrington, Chris Samuels, Derrick Dockery, Sean Taylor, Chris ey, Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh, LaRon Landry, Brian Orakpo and Trent Williams have all sucked.

They have a combined ZERO Super Bowl rings and one of them got his foolish self KILLED. Let's go through that list....

Arrington's one shining moment in a Redskins uniform was ending Aikman's career.

Samuels and Dockery have been part of some of the worst O-Lines in Redskins, if not NFL history.

ey is severely over-rated in my mind.

Rogers can't catch a ball to save his life.... one of only two things a CB needs to be able to do. The other, tackling, isn't exactly his forte either.

Rocky and LaRon have been mediocre so far as I'm concerned.

Orakpo has been above average, but nothing more

Williams really didn't do much as a rookie, and for that high of a 1st round pick, I have greater immediate expectations.


This is exactly why I have ZERO interest in draft picks and rookies.

They have a combined ZERO Super Bowl rings and one of them got his foolish self KILLED.

Can one of the mods ban this trolling fool?

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:You're right, LaVar Arrington, Chris Samuels, Derrick Dockery, Sean Taylor, Chris ey, Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh, LaRon Landry, Brian Orakpo and Trent Williams have all sucked.

They have a combined ZERO Super Bowl rings and one of them got his foolish self KILLED. Let's go through that list....

Arrington's one shining moment in a Redskins uniform was ending Aikman's career.

Samuels and Dockery have been part of some of the worst O-Lines in Redskins, if not NFL history.

ey is severely over-rated in my mind.

Rogers can't catch a ball to save his life.... one of only two things a CB needs to be able to do. The other, tackling, isn't exactly his forte either.

Rocky and LaRon have been mediocre so far as I'm concerned.

Orakpo has been above average, but nothing more

Williams really didn't do much as a rookie, and for that high of a 1st round pick, I have greater immediate expectations.


This is exactly why I have ZERO interest in draft picks and rookies.

Hey look at this! It's the new "dumbest most asinine post I've ever read" here on THN. This one's going to be hard to beat for a while.

Apparently defending your house and family is a foolish way to die. Chris Samuels the 6-time Pro Bowler wasn't a good draft choice. Cornerbacks don't have to cover WR's and stop them from catching the ball; they just need to catch and tackle.

Most of the blabbering in that post, to me, says "Hey guys, it's been a slow offseason and I haven't been getting much attention from my D&D buddies so heres some non-sense blurrbed just to irritate rational thinking Redskins fans here on THN."

But then again I guess if someone were to live in an alternate reality, because they think they were born in the wrong era, then they wouldn't have a good grasp on what productivity means to a football team. This post reminds me of a warm pile that fell out of my dogs rectum this morning.

I urge other readers of this post to not take it too seriously; just look to the left of the post and you can easily see that it means nothing to an actual Redskins fan.

Skinsfan55 wrote:I actually think all that sitting stunted his growth. It occurs to me that you learn by doing, especially in athletics. Holding a clipboard and running the scout team for a year and a half seems detrimental to development. Football moves quickly, decisions need to be made fast at QB... how do you best prepare for that? Get in the lineup and take your lumps or sit on the bench for a year and a half, losing the feel for game speed?

I think if JC had started right away, or gone to an organization that didn't have their heads up their collective rear ends like the Redskins he would be much more successful.

Though you might have a point specifically with Jason because of your last statement. Sitting and holding a clipboard doesn't necessarily stunt a QB's growth. One example is Aaron Rodgers. Sitting may have saved his career from being like Alex Smith's. My understanding is Aaron Rodgers slid in the draft for a reason. During the run to the Super Bowl, I heard that Rodgers worked specifically on those concerns teams had. Sitting or starting as a rookie depends on the organization and what is being asked of the QB and also the determination of the QB. Cases to support your opinion, Matt Ryan, Joe Flaaco and the Manning Bros. Another huge case to support your opinion is Clif Stoudt who sat behind Bradshaw for 5 years. He was a disaster when it came his turn. One huge argument against your opinion, it used to be standard NFL procedure to sit the rookie to let him learn.

It still remains popular wisdom to sit a rookie QB especially if the team is lousy and everyone expects him to be the savior. Because of the complexity of our offense, any QB we draft will have to sit pretty much the whole year unless an emergency or he just picks up offenses faster than most.

Misread that, huh?

Looking at that list of WRs and QBs . . . yeesh. I know all the names, but had forgotten many of them.

With expectations, it could be Patrick Ramsey. Though I really blame Spurrier for his struggles more than anyone else. To me, Ramsey and Campbell fit just about the same mold: plenty of people were ready to talk about how they had something special that was going to develop. Both players had (IMO) sufficient time in charge of the offense to show whether they had what it takes. Each had the maddening habit of making a seemingly trademark mistake at the worst moment.

But it was hard to hate either: from all appearances both were very hard working, dedicated, and great team mates.

Still, you can't dispute that they didn't get the job done. And I think Ramsey edges out Campbell in terms of how badly he flopped, all things considered.

The worst pick since 2000? I have a hard time overlooking Kelly and Thomas. Gardner wasted more talent than Ramsey/Campbell had. (And we've had some bad luck with WRs. Taylor Jacobs was almost as disappointing as Gardner, though a much harder worker than him. And Cliff Russell, with all his speed — and when we badly needed some at WR — couldn't even make it to the field. I'd say we've had worse luck at WR than we've had at QB.)

All things considered, I think I agree with the original post. Ramsey, with maybe Thomas/Kelly or Gardner not too far behind him.

I would have to say Dan Snyder. What? Oh sorry, thought you said who has been the worst draft-er since 2000

And I think Ramsey edges out Campbell in terms of how badly he flopped, all things considered.

I would actually go the other way. Campbell had better coaches, a better oline, better rb's, better wide receivers, and better tight ends than Ramsey. To me, Campbell is a bigger flop than Campbell.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

And I think Ramsey edges out Campbell in terms of how badly he flopped, all things considered.

I would actually go the other way. Campbell had better coaches, a better oline, better rb's, better wide receivers, and better tight ends than Ramsey. To me, Campbell is a bigger flop than Campbell.

You just don't like Campbell But you do make a good point.

The real question is... What cha gonna do when Shanny drafts Ponder