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OK. I'll throw this one out and see what you guys think.

Trade our 10th (1,300 points)
Receive from NE their 28th (660 points) and their 33rd (580 points)

We give up 60 points but we now have 3 draft picks in the top 41.

With those picks I would go after (in whatever order depending on player availability):

NT Philip Taylor or Kendrick Ellis
QB Ponder or Locker
OLB Akeem Ayers

NE doesn't have a habit of trading up but just to keep it fun, who would they move up to get?

Finding a trading partner is the hardest thing to do in the draft... yet, folks toss it out like it's a done deal...

It would be wonderful! But, what's in it for NE??????

Countertrey wrote:Finding a trading partner is the hardest thing to do in the draft... yet, folks toss it out like it's a done deal...

It would be wonderful! But, what's in it for NE??????

To help us out...duh

Countertrey wrote:Finding a trading partner is the hardest thing to do in the draft... yet, folks toss it out like it's a done deal...

It would be wonderful! But, what's in it for NE??????

They need impact players at OLB, RB, DE as well as at WR... who knows who will be on the board at #10.

Houston, Minnesota, the Jags and a few other teams also are looking for pass rushers, then there's the Rams and Phins needing WR and RB help.

The Pats may want to get in front of them.....

Cameron Jordan, J.J. Watt, Corey Liuget, Robert Quinn, Justin Houston, or even Nick Fairley or Bowers could be there at 10 and won't be at #17. Then again they could be looking at Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, or someone else that's on the board at #10 but gone by 17.

The Bolts and Saints could be looking at the same players the Pats are and would make good alternatives to the Pats

Chargers #18 and #50 or the Saints #24, #56, and #120.

The Saints deal would be the Skins best option IMHO, they could get someone like Jabaal Sheard or Aldon Smith if they are still there and Locker at #41. I wouldn't mind Locker at #24 and Phil Taylor at #41 if it fell that way. The 2nd and 4th round picks total 494 pts on the trade value chart compared to the 318 in total pts lost in draft picks from the McNabb trade and swap of picks for Brown.

It all comes down to who's on the board when Shanny goes on the clock.

FYI: no salary cap numbers means the trade value chart is all I have to keep me busy

GoSkins wrote:OK. I'll throw this one out and see what you guys think.

Trade our 10th (1,300 points)
Receive from NE their 28th (660 points) and their 33rd (580 points)

We give up 60 points but we now have 3 draft picks in the top 41.

With those picks I would go after (in whatever order depending on player availability):

NT Philip Taylor or Kendrick Ellis
QB Ponder or Locker
OLB Akeem Ayers

I'd want them to include their 4th round pick- # 125 47 points.

I read recently that the pukes have received interst for their 1st (#9) so it stands to reason that there would be interest in ours.

yupchagee wrote:

GoSkins wrote:OK. I'll throw this one out and see what you guys think.

Trade our 10th (1,300 points)
Receive from NE their 28th (660 points) and their 33rd (580 points)

We give up 60 points but we now have 3 draft picks in the top 41.

With those picks I would go after (in whatever order depending on player availability):

NT Philip Taylor or Kendrick Ellis
QB Ponder or Locker
OLB Akeem Ayers

I'd want them to include their 4th round pick- # 125 47 points.

I read recently that the pukes have received interst for their 1st (#9) so it stands to reason that there would be interest in ours.

I think the Skins should do a bad deal with the Falcons, this deal would cost the team to lose about 72 pts on the DTVC. The Falcons are said to be 1 impact player away and we need picks. We would drop to #27 in round one but would have 2 picks in the second, 1 in the 3rd and 4th rounds, 3 in the 5th, two in the 6th and five in the 7th.

That would be 15 picks in one draft they would have to find at least 3 or 4 players that can play in 2011

I know that trading down has been difficult but with the current 'situation' I would not be surprised to see something different at this draft

I think that Mike has a lot to prove after his first year here and I'm hoping he (& Bruce as well as the talent evaluators) can manage to increase our number of draft picks as much as possible - hell, I hope they start adding to next year's draft picks too - we are more than a good draft away from seeing a decent product on the field in B&G


We need to have a mass overhaul out at Redskins Park and the sooner we start the better

SkinsJock wrote:I know that trading down has been difficult but with the current 'situation' I would not be surprised to see something different at this draft

I think that Mike has a lot to prove after his first year here and I'm hoping he (& Bruce as well as the talent evaluators) can manage to increase our number of draft picks as much as possible - hell, I hope they start adding to next year's draft picks too - we are more than a good draft away from seeing a decent product on the field in B&G


We need to have a mass overhaul out at Redskins Park and the sooner we start the better

I hope you're right. If we can get 2 starters (OLB and NT) and a future starter (QB) by trading down I'm all for it.

I'n twixt and tween on this - I think that the best thing for the franchise might be to try and get as many picks as we can and IF one of them is a QB, then fine - we really need to add a lot of youth here and start building the chemistry again


IF we trade out of the 10 pick we are going to most likely miss out on Locker - that might not be all bad - It's not like he's the second coming for crying out loud AND he's going to need a bunch of things to go right for him to be really good anyway

going to be an interesting draft - we really need a lot of picks though if we can get them

1niksder wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

GoSkins wrote:OK. I'll throw this one out and see what you guys think.

Trade our 10th (1,300 points)
Receive from NE their 28th (660 points) and their 33rd (580 points)

We give up 60 points but we now have 3 draft picks in the top 41.

With those picks I would go after (in whatever order depending on player availability):

NT Philip Taylor or Kendrick Ellis
QB Ponder or Locker
OLB Akeem Ayers

I'd want them to include their 4th round pick- # 125 47 points.

I read recently that the pukes have received interst for their 1st (#9) so it stands to reason that there would be interest in ours.

I think the Skins should do a bad deal with the Falcons, this deal would cost the team to lose about 72 pts on the DTVC. The Falcons are said to be 1 impact player away and we need picks. We would drop to #27 in round one but would have 2 picks in the second, 1 in the 3rd and 4th rounds, 3 in the 5th, two in the 6th and five in the 7th.

That would be 15 picks in one draft they would have to find at least 3 or 4 players that can play in 2011

I doubt Atlanta would make that trade. Mike Ditka isn't in charge there.

Countertrey wrote:Finding a trading partner is the hardest thing to do in the draft... yet, folks toss it out like it's a done deal...

It would be wonderful! BUT .....

I agree trey - Trading with a franchise that understands the value of draft picks is not easy - to just 'evaluate' the pick and then assume a franchise will make a 'deal' is just not happening - franchises that trade away draft picks are not normally very good

this is not normal times and it is possible that we might be able to trade down but it is NOT simply a matter of a mathematical equation at all


hopefully this FO and our franchise will make every effort to keep each and every draft pick and where possible add to our draft picks

The franchise is in disarray because of bad management that basically did not understand the value of both the draft and only adding players through free agency that suited what the franchise needed

we need to see this FO start to add as many new, young players as they can - they made some mistakes and they need to stop doing that


as some here have said - formulate a plan and then commit to getting that done - we are not close to having a consistently competitive product on the field each week and it's time to stop running this franchise like the way it has been managed here for over 10 years

NE's coaching and scouting people announced yesterday that the potential for a new Rookie Salary Cap WILL NOT change their draft strategy from what it has been in the past. Assuming this is true there is ZERO chance that the Patriots will be looking to trade UP in the draft, but will rather probably be looking to trade DOWN instead and/or get rid of at least one of their First Round picks, likely the #17 selection.

1niksder wrote:They need impact players at OLB, RB, DE as well as at WR... who knows who will be on the board at #10.

The Patriots do not look for "impact players". They never have. That's part of why I can't stand them. Instead they look for low-priced, semi-talented players who fit their system. Their entire franchise is built on the idea that nobody is irreplacable. Not even Tom Brady.... see the results for the team when Brady was lost during game #1 of the season in 2008 or 2009. An unheralded backup came in and lead them to an 11-5 record. That same guy can't get out of his own way now in KC.

It's all about the SYSTEM in NE. Nothing more. That's why they don't have a lot of "stars" on their team. It isn't the way they do business.

It's really simple - a bunch of no name players playing as a team will always be more successful than a group of stars that don't
Snyder & Cerrato are proof of that

SkinsJock wrote:It's really simple - a bunch of no name players playing as a team will always be more successful than a group of stars that don't
Snyder & Cerrato are proof of that

Then here's hoping this team is not "successful" for a very long time; because I will not watch or support that type of team, EVER.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

1niksder wrote:They need impact players at OLB, RB, DE as well as at WR... who knows who will be on the board at #10.

The Patriots do not look for "impact players". They never have. That's part of why I can't stand them. Instead they look for low-priced, semi-talented players who fit their system. Their entire franchise is built on the idea that nobody is irreplacable. Not even Tom Brady.... see the results for the team when Brady was lost during game #1 of the season in 2008 or 2009. An unheralded backup came in and lead them to an 11-5 record. That same guy can't get out of his own way now in KC.

It's all about the SYSTEM in NE. Nothing more. That's why they don't have a lot of "stars" on their team. It isn't the way they do business.

11-5 didn't even get them to the playoffs, so really, that didn't prove anything.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

1niksder wrote:They need impact players at OLB, RB, DE as well as at WR... who knows who will be on the board at #10.

The Patriots do not look for "impact players". They never have. That's part of why I can't stand them. Instead they look for low-priced, semi-talented players who fit their system. Their entire franchise is built on the idea that nobody is irreplacable. Not even Tom Brady.... see the results for the team when Brady was lost during game #1 of the season in 2008 or 2009. An unheralded backup came in and lead them to an 11-5 record. That same guy can't get out of his own way now in KC.

It's all about the SYSTEM in NE. Nothing more. That's why they don't have a lot of "stars" on their team. It isn't the way they do business.

11-5 didn't even get them to the playoffs, so really, that didn't prove anything.

That was in 2008, from there they have been one and done since then. Maybe a few impact players could have helped them.

Regardless of whether 11-5 got them into the playoffs or not, and their recent one and done issues, I don't see them changing their way of doing things. That's been the word out of their camp as well.... No change in philosophy on the draft regardless of a new CBA, rookie salary cap, etc....

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Regardless of whether 11-5 got them into the playoffs or not, and their recent one and done issues, I don't see them changing their way of doing things. That's been the word out of their camp as well.... No change in philosophy on the draft regardless of a new CBA, rookie salary cap, etc....

You can say that's the word out of their camp but you have never posted anything on this site that has passed the smell test

rotoworld.com

According to CBSSports.com's Pete Prisco, the Redskins are actually looking to trade down -- not up -- with Florida State's Christian Ponder and TCU's Andy Dalton in their sights.
It's disinformation season, which of course means conflicting reports. The Redskins have been connected to Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett and even Colin Kaepernick, but this is the first we've heard of interest in Ponder and Dalton. With GM Bruce Allen missing a third-round pick, trading down makes more sense than moving up. Prisco hears that one team with an interest in moving up to No. 10 is New England, perhaps with an eye on Ryan Kerrigan or Julio Jones.

Redskins eyeing a move back

1niksder wrote:You can say that's the word out of their camp but you have never posted anything on this site that has passed the smell test

All I can do is tell you what the Patriots draft people are telling the media here in Massachusetts. This topic (the Pats moving UP in the draft) has been in the air here for a while, and every time it comes up the team shoots it down. I don't have anything more than that and the way the Patriots organization has been run for the last decade to go on, but that's my take on the issue.

If my comments are that foul, it would seem that with the "STAFF" moniker on your avatar, you could fix that permanently if you wanted to.

Belicheck is not shooting down the rumors.

We've definitely been contacted by teams below us offering to move back, and by teams behind us looking to move up," Belichick said in an appearance on Sirius/XM NFL Radio on Monday.
"There definitely seems to be a lot of interest in our draft picks. And as you know we're not afraid to trade them."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... ft-picks/1

I hope we can add to our draft picks - however, there is an awful lot of BS and outright mis-information being laid out here


fact is the franchises are all a little hand-cuffed by not being able to 'use' their players - this draft looks like being all about the draftees

it would stand to reason also that those teams with the fewest real needs are in better shape - as a matter of interest I do not think that the Patriots are in that group

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I don't have anything more than that and the way the Patriots organization has been run for the last decade to go on, but that's my take on the issue.

Sniff...... sniff..... sniff........
Nope that don't smell right either.

Belichick also said he doesn’t just want to keep trading for the future forever.

“Sooner or later,” Belichick said, “you’ve got to convert those picks into productive players.”

I think this is worth bringing back

1niksder wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Finding a trading partner is the hardest thing to do in the draft... yet, folks toss it out like it's a done deal...

It would be wonderful! But, what's in it for NE??????

New England needs players at OLB, RB, DE as well as at WR - who knows who will be on the board at #10

Houston, Minnesota, the Jags and a few other teams also are looking for pass rushers, then there's the Rams and Phins needing WR and RB help.

The Pats may want to get in front of them

Cameron Jordan, J.J. Watt, Corey Liuget, Robert Quinn, Justin Houston, or even Nick Fairley or Bowers could be there at #10 and won't be at #17.
Then again they could be looking at Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, or someone else that's on the board at #10 but is surely gone by #17.

The Bolts and Saints could be looking at the same players the Pats are and would make good alternatives to the Pats

Chargers #18 and #50 or the Saints #24, #56, and #120.

The Saints deal would be the Skins best option IMHO ....
I wouldn't mind Locker at #24 and Phil Taylor at #41 if it fell that way. The 2nd and 4th round picks total 494 pts on the trade value chart compared to the 318 in total pts lost in draft picks from the McNabb trade and swap of picks for Brown.

It all comes down to who's on the board when Shanny goes on the clock

because of the depth of players available at a number of positions AND no free agency yet - this could be a very different draft