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Peter King of Sports Illustrated wrote the following:

"I think the team that makes the most sense for Donovan McNabb is Minnesota. ... The Vikings can sleep better at night knowing they don't have to rely on Joe Webb with a suspect offensive line and a veteran defense as they try to make one last playoff run with this core. McNabb can be happy knowing he has one more chance to take a contender deep into the playoffs."

King suggests the compensation could be a 2012 fourth-round pick that would elevate to a third if McNabb made 12 starts for the Vikings in 2011.

To me that's a good deal & If I'm Mike Shanahan, I seriously consider this deal. Maybe the Redskins can squeeze a third that could upgrade to a second if McNabb and the team meet certain incentives. The Vikings are looking for a new stadium deal, and it could be difficult to pull that off if Webb is at the helm and the team tanks.

Minnesota has as good of a line as we do so for McNabb it could be 6 of 1 & 1/2 a dozen of the other.

What say all of you

If we can get a possible 2nd or 3rd rounder for McNabb, I will personally drive him from DC to Minnesota, and pay for the gas.

I would be all over it, but I would imagine that teams figure he is going to be released, so they will not trade us anything and instead will just wait till we do release him

skins2357 wrote:I would be all over it, but I would imagine that teams figure he is going to be released, so they will not trade us anything and instead will just wait till we do release him

Who says we will release him?

If the cba doesn't get worked out until late summer and we either don't draft a QB or don't feel comfortable going into the season with said QB, then I could see McNabb being back.

He and Beck are the only two QBs on the roster under contract.

skins2357 wrote:I would be all over it, but I would imagine that teams figure he is going to be released, so they will not trade us anything and instead will just wait till we do release him

We can sit on McNabb though until the beginning of September and then release him without taking a hit. So yeah teams may know he's going to be released, but they're going to bank on picking McNabb up in late August a week before games start and plugging him into their system???

The lockout makes all of this even murkier. It really hurts a player like McNabb doesn't it?

riggofan wrote:

skins2357 wrote:I would be all over it, but I would imagine that teams figure he is going to be released, so they will not trade us anything and instead will just wait till we do release him

We can sit on McNabb though until the beginning of September and then release him without taking a hit. So yeah teams may know he's going to be released, but they're going to bank on picking McNabb up in late August a week before games start and plugging him into their system???

The lockout makes all of this even murkier. It really hurts a player like McNabb doesn't it?

Look, as ego maniacal as Shanny is, he isn't going to screw over a respected vet like McNabb by holding onto him in a way that doesn't give McNabb a chance to play somewhere else this season. They aren't going to bring him back as a backup and they aren't going to hold onto him until the last possible second. Once they CBA is resolved they'll trade him if a deal is available or cut him; I seriously doubt they drag this out.

From what we've heard recently it sounds like the QB situation is a bit of worry for a number of teams for different reasons - I think that Mike will be able to trade McNabb and that will happen as soon as the NFL gets back in business

Like a lot of things with this franchise - it's time to move on - there's nothing much to be gained from looking back - especially at anything we've done in the last 3 years

Do you really think anyone is going to trade for McNabb when they then have to pay him that contract?

CanesSkins26 wrote:Look, as ego maniacal as Shanny is, he isn't going to screw over a respected vet like McNabb by holding onto him in a way that doesn't give McNabb a chance to play somewhere else this season. They aren't going to bring him back as a backup and they aren't going to hold onto him until the last possible second. Once they CBA is resolved they'll trade him if a deal is available or cut him; I seriously doubt they drag this out.

Yeah I can see your point. I mean when Shanahan realized he wasn't going to use Albert Haynesworth last year for example, and he couldn't get fair draft trade for him, he acted the bigger man and released Big Al immediately so he could catch on with another team.

What?? That didn't happen????

hahah. Just yanking your chain. They might not actually keep McNabb around all the way until September, but it would be stupid not to play the cards you have and try to get something for him.

riggofan wrote:They might not actually keep McNabb around all the way until September, but it would be stupid not to play the cards you have and try to get something for him.

He might actually be the starting QB next year if this CBA mess isn't straightened out some time soon (by soon I mean before the start of training camp)

PAPDOG67 wrote:If we can get a possible 2nd or 3rd rounder for McNabb, I will personally drive him from DC to Minnesota, and pay for the gas.

I will take over in Chicago. You pay for my gas though

riggofan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Look, as ego maniacal as Shanny is, he isn't going to screw over a respected vet like McNabb by holding onto him in a way that doesn't give McNabb a chance to play somewhere else this season. They aren't going to bring him back as a backup and they aren't going to hold onto him until the last possible second. Once they CBA is resolved they'll trade him if a deal is available or cut him; I seriously doubt they drag this out.

Yeah I can see your point. I mean when Shanahan realized he wasn't going to use Albert Haynesworth last year for example, and he couldn't get fair draft trade for him, he acted the bigger man and released Big Al immediately so he could catch on with another team.

What?? That didn't happen????

hahah. Just yanking your chain. They might not actually keep McNabb around all the way until September, but it would be stupid not to play the cards you have and try to get something for him.

You're really comparing Big Al and McNabb? One guy is a well-respected player and the other is a team cancer. Yes, clearly it's the same type of situation.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

riggofan wrote:They might not actually keep McNabb around all the way until September, but it would be stupid not to play the cards you have and try to get something for him.

He might actually be the starting QB next year if this CBA mess isn't straightened out some time soon (by soon I mean before the start of training camp)

What does the timing of the lockout have to do with anything? No matter when the lockout ends, there will still be a free agency period and a training camp. If the lockout ends the last week of August, they obviously aren't going to start the season on time, they'll push everything back.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Look, as ego maniacal as Shanny is, he isn't going to screw over a respected vet like McNabb by holding onto him in a way that doesn't give McNabb a chance to play somewhere else this season. They aren't going to bring him back as a backup and they aren't going to hold onto him until the last possible second. Once they CBA is resolved they'll trade him if a deal is available or cut him; I seriously doubt they drag this out.

Yeah I can see your point. I mean when Shanahan realized he wasn't going to use Albert Haynesworth last year for example, and he couldn't get fair draft trade for him, he acted the bigger man and released Big Al immediately so he could catch on with another team.

What?? That didn't happen????

hahah. Just yanking your chain. They might not actually keep McNabb around all the way until September, but it would be stupid not to play the cards you have and try to get something for him.

You're really comparing Big Al and McNabb? One guy is a well-respected player and the other is a team cancer. Yes, clearly it's the same type of situation.

Both situations were handled poorly IMO.

And who's paying McNabb $13M this year? I sure hope we aren't...

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Look, as ego maniacal as Shanny is, he isn't going to screw over a respected vet like McNabb by holding onto him in a way that doesn't give McNabb a chance to play somewhere else this season. They aren't going to bring him back as a backup and they aren't going to hold onto him until the last possible second. Once they CBA is resolved they'll trade him if a deal is available or cut him; I seriously doubt they drag this out.

Yeah I can see your point. I mean when Shanahan realized he wasn't going to use Albert Haynesworth last year for example, and he couldn't get fair draft trade for him, he acted the bigger man and released Big Al immediately so he could catch on with another team.

What?? That didn't happen????

hahah. Just yanking your chain. They might not actually keep McNabb around all the way until September, but it would be stupid not to play the cards you have and try to get something for him.

You're really comparing Big Al and McNabb? One guy is a well-respected player and the other is a team cancer. Yes, clearly it's the same type of situation.

Nice straw man, but I didn't compare Big Al and McNabb. I'm talking about Shanahan's track record of how he deals with players. If you don't like the Big Al example, then plug in Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway, Devin Thomas, etc; etc; Shanahan clearly has a track record of doing what he thinks is best for the team.

riggofan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Look, as ego maniacal as Shanny is, he isn't going to screw over a respected vet like McNabb by holding onto him in a way that doesn't give McNabb a chance to play somewhere else this season. They aren't going to bring him back as a backup and they aren't going to hold onto him until the last possible second. Once they CBA is resolved they'll trade him if a deal is available or cut him; I seriously doubt they drag this out.

Yeah I can see your point. I mean when Shanahan realized he wasn't going to use Albert Haynesworth last year for example, and he couldn't get fair draft trade for him, he acted the bigger man and released Big Al immediately so he could catch on with another team.

What?? That didn't happen????

hahah. Just yanking your chain. They might not actually keep McNabb around all the way until September, but it would be stupid not to play the cards you have and try to get something for him.

You're really comparing Big Al and McNabb? One guy is a well-respected player and the other is a team cancer. Yes, clearly it's the same type of situation.

Nice straw man, but I didn't compare Big Al and McNabb. I'm talking about Shanahan's track record of how he deals with players. If you don't like the Big Al example, then plug in Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway, Devin Thomas, etc; etc; Shanahan clearly has a track record of doing what he thinks is best for the team.

What do Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway, and Devin Thomas have to do with anything?

And the Big Al situation was a lot more than just what is best for the team. There was a personal aspect to that for Shanahan and wanted to stick it to Big Al. I'm not saying he was right or wrong, but do you really think that Shanny would hold onto McNabb, at this stage in McNabb's career, if he doesn't intend to play him, to a point where it seriously impacts McNabb's chances of catching on with another team?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

riggofan wrote:They might not actually keep McNabb around all the way until September, but it would be stupid not to play the cards you have and try to get something for him.

He might actually be the starting QB next year if this CBA mess isn't straightened out some time soon (by soon I mean before the start of training camp)

What does the timing of the lockout have to do with anything? No matter when the lockout ends, there will still be a free agency period and a training camp. If the lockout ends the last week of August, they obviously aren't going to start the season on time, they'll push everything back.

The timing has a lot to do with it. If they draft a young QB and there isn't enough time to get him ready to even compete for the #2 QB spot then they may keep McNabb.

If the lock out ends say 2-4 weeks before the start of the season then they may decide McNabb gives them a better chance to win than a FA or rookie QB. You just can't bring in a QB hand him the play book and expect him to start for your team in two weeks or four weeks for that matter.

If the lockout ends the last week of August they almost certainly would start the season on time. If it ends the week before the start of the season it would probably start on time. They aren't going to push the SB back and I doubt the players or Owners would want to lose a regular season game if they can avoid it! They would go with no preseason football before they would lose a regular season game.

skinsfan#33 wrote:[If the lock out ends say 2-4 weeks before the start of the season then they may decide McNabb gives them a better chance to win than a FA or rookie QB.

I used to think that McNabb had a chance to come back because he gives us a better chance to win than an FA and a rookie QB, but then I listened closely to what Shanny is saying.

When asked is McNabb coming back? Shanny responds we will decide after the draft.

Do you think McNabb is studying his Kyle playbook this off season after an answer like that? McNabb is gone.

Let's face it, Shanny is not about - I want the win a few more games today - he is about building a long term winning program for tomorrow It appears that he is willing to lose a few games in the short run to win a lot in the long run. (Support for my argument - clearly staying with the 4-3 last year would have won a few more games, but he chose the long run)

So yes, Skinsfan33, I agree with you, McNabb, in his second year with us, gives us the best option at QB, but for McNabb to work out here, Kyle would have to adjust his O to fit McNabb's style - that ain't happening - McNabb is gone and I am not jumping for joy. Two draft choices - for what? A mistake - - time to move on.

Trade McNugget .....straight up for FAAAHHHHHVVVVRE.... FA FA FA FAVRE.

NOT.....

At the time I thought the trade made sense - it was a terrible mistake and it was part of a not very good first season for this FO and the coaching staff - time to move on - McNabb will be gone IMO but I doubt that they will let him go as it looks like he could be worth something to one of a number of franchises that could use him

I just doubt that he's here but, with this group, who knows

The timing has a lot to do with it. If they draft a young QB and there isn't enough time to get him ready to even compete for the #2 QB spot then they may keep McNabb.

Why would a rookie need to be able to be the #2 qb? Rex will probably be re-signed and Beck is under contract.

If the lock out ends say 2-4 weeks before the start of the season then they may decide McNabb gives them a better chance to win than a FA or rookie QB. You just can't bring in a QB hand him the play book and expect him to start for your team in two weeks or four weeks for that matter.

They thought that Rex gave them a better chance to win than McNabb. Do you think that's changed?

They aren't going to push the SB back and I doubt the players or Owners would want to lose a regular season game if they can avoid it!

Under the owner's original plan for an 18 game regular season the Super Bowl would have been moved to President's Day weekend, so clearly there is some willingness to be flexible with the date.

They would go with no preseason football before they would lose a regular season game.

They might cut the preseason games (or some of them), but they are still going to have training camp, no matter when the lockout ends.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

The timing has a lot to do with it. If they draft a young QB and there isn't enough time to get him ready to even compete for the #2 QB spot then they may keep McNabb.

Why would a rookie need to be able to be the #2 qb? Rex will probably be re-signed and Beck is under contract.

If the lock out ends say 2-4 weeks before the start of the season then they may decide McNabb gives them a better chance to win than a FA or rookie QB. You just can't bring in a QB hand him the play book and expect him to start for your team in two weeks or four weeks for that matter.

They thought that Rex gave them a better chance to win than McNabb. Do you think that's changed?

They aren't going to push the SB back and I doubt the players or Owners would want to lose a regular season game if they can avoid it!

Under the owner's original plan for an 18 game regular season the Super Bowl would have been moved to President's Day weekend, so clearly there is some willingness to be flexible with the date.

They would go with no preseason football before they would lose a regular season game.

They might cut the preseason games (or some of them), but they are still going to have training camp, no matter when the lockout ends.

They didn't have training camp in the two strike shortened seasons and they wont miss RS games if they can avoid it.

The 18 game schedule was never on the table for this season. They would start it when they could move the SB, most likely for the first year a SB hadn't been scheduled yet.

They never said Rex was the starter at the end of last year because they thought he gave them the best chance of winning. In fact, since they waited until the Skins we're eliminated to try out Rex, that reinforces the reason they gave. They were just tring to see what Rex had so they could make a decision on McNabb with more info on Rex.

Rex is a FA. No guarantee he will be back. So yes they will need a new #2 that can soon moved up to #1. Do I think Rex will be back; probably. Do I think McNabb will be back; possibly, but highly unlikely. But when the CBA is resolved will be the deciding factor!

If you still believe there will be a training camp if the CBA gets resolved in say September and they will just move the SB to March to get in a training camp, then I can't help.

Right now I'd say that McNabb is the starting QB here - I'm not sure we'll just let him go, given the current situation and the number of teams that could use him

I do think that the FO will consider all their options here and future picks might still work - I doubt that Rex is starting here and I sure hope he's not

the McNabb deal was not a good decision and we do need to move on but I just don't see these guys just letting him go given everything that is happening with the lockout AND that our own QB deal is not very good at all


hopefully Kyle and Mike can start acting in the best interests of the franchise and not their own

They didn't have training camp in the two strike shortened seasons and they wont miss RS games if they can avoid it.

The 18 game schedule was never on the table for this season. They would start it when they could move the SB, most likely for the first year a SB hadn't been scheduled yet.

From Yahoo Sports article on Indy's SB prep plans...

Back in Indy, the biggest question is whether the game will be played as scheduled on Feb. 5. League officials also asked the committee to keep the following week open in case there was a postponement.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-superbowl-indianapolis

They aren't going to move the thing to March, but the NFL also isn't going to stubbornly stick to one date if it doesn't make sense.

They never said Rex was the starter at the end of last year because they thought he gave them the best chance of winning. In fact, since they waited until the Skins we're eliminated to try out Rex, that reinforces the reason they gave. They were just tring to see what Rex had so they could make a decision on McNabb with more info on Rex.

So when they benched McNabb in the Lions game in favor of Rex they were doing that for what reason exactly?

No, they didn't come out and say it, but it was obvious that Mike and Kyle had more confidence in Rex than McNabb. The coaches had no confidence in McNabb and Shanahan pretty much admitted in interviews that trading for McNabb was a mistake.

Rex is a FA. No guarantee he will be back. So yes they will need a new #2 that can soon moved up to #1. Do I think Rex will be back; probably. Do I think McNabb will be back; possibly, but highly unlikely. But when the CBA is resolved will be the deciding factor!

Of course there are no guarantees. But it's not like there are going to be tons of teams knocking down Rex's door either. If the Skins want him back, it shouldn't be hard at all for them to sign him.

I just don't see Mike & Kyle thinking that there's much to be gained going forward with Rex as the starter here

McNabb's contract is a nightmare but it's set up so they can get out of it - if they trade him or cut him - either is more likely than keeping him, I just don't see these guys going with Grossman
they will come up with someone else, heck even Derek Anderson has more upside than Grossman