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Here's the jist of it: I'm bouncing from MB to MB in draft order giving each MB's team roughly 36 hours of polling before the player with the highest % of votes becomes the pick. Only players that havent been selected before your team's pick are available.

Its just an interesting way to mock the draft, and lets be honest who knows what their team needs the most than the diehard fans who troll MBs for hours at a time day in and day out? You can vote for who you want as a fan, who you think the team will take given their draft strategy or you can just take bpa... its up to you!

Without further ado...

Round 1

1 Carolina Panthers - Patrick Peterson, CB - LSU
http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/car ... t-1-a.html

2 Denver Broncos - Marcell Dareus, DT - BAMA
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=184858

3 Buffalo Bills - Nick Fairley, DT - AUB
http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/1 ... t-is-here/

4 Cincinnati Bengals - A.J. Green, WR - UGA
http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=79931

5 Arizona Cardinals - Von Miller, OLB - A&M
http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?t=55107

6 Cleveland Browns - Da'Quan Bowers, DE - CLEM
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index. ... =19166&st=

7 San Francisco 49ers - Robert Quinn, OLB - UNC
http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/sh ... p?t=113836

8 Tennessee Titans - Blaine Gabbert, QB - MIZZ
http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showthread.php?t=70168

9 Dallas Cowboys - Prince Amukamara, CB - NEB
http://www.truebluefanclub.com/socialne ... 06dc71861a"]

10 Washington Redskins - ON THE CLOCK
11 Houston Texans
12 Minnesota Vikings
13 Detroit Lions
14 St. Louis Rams
15 Miami Dolphins
16 Jacksonville Jaguars
17 New England Patriots
18 San Diego Chargers
19 New York Giants
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
21 Kansas City Chiefs
22 Indianapolis Colts
23 Philadelphia Eagles
24 New Orleans Saints
25 Seattle Seahawks
26 Baltimore Ravens
27 Atlanta Falcons
28 New England Patriots
29 Chicago Bears
30 New York Jets
31 Pittsburgh Steelers
32 Green Bay Packers

I voted for Jones, but if I had an alternate, it would be DT if he's worth it.

It that's the board:

Who the Redskins would draft: Cam Newton
BPA: Julio Jones / Cam Jordan
Who I would take: Phil Taylor

I think if Cam is there at 10, we will have trading partners

First choice: Try to trade down. With these players still on the board, that is a good possibility.
Second Choice: Cam Jordan... can you say bookend? That would instantly take the Redskins pass defense to the next level... and, he wouldn't hurt run defense, either.

TCIYM wrote:It that's the board:

Who the Redskins would draft: Cam Newton
BPA: Julio Jones / Cam Jordan
Who I would take: Phil Taylor

You Posted on Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:51 pm for the thread "Late Round Picks Request:"

I don't think Phil Taylor is a legitimate #10, more like a #20 or a #25.

I like either Quinn or Jordan at #10, Taylor at #41 ...

Quinn is off the boards according to the poll, so I understand why you aren't sticking with Quinn, but why the change over Jordan at #10 and why the change toward Taylor taking him at #10 as opposed to chancing it and waiting to #41?

Red_One43 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:It that's the board:

Who the Redskins would draft: Cam Newton
BPA: Julio Jones / Cam Jordan
Who I would take: Phil Taylor

You Posted on Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:51 pm for the thread "Late Round Picks Request:"

I don't think Phil Taylor is a legitimate #10, more like a #20 or a #25.

I like either Quinn or Jordan at #10, Taylor at #41 ...

Quinn is off the boards according to the poll, so I understand why you aren't sticking with Quinn, but why the change over Jordan at #10 and why the change toward Taylor taking him at #10 as opposed to chancing it and waiting to #41?

Phil Taylor is known to have at least eight teams lining him up for private workouts and is expected to be drafted around the 20th pick in the first round, if not earlier, making him unavailable at #41. While Jordan may be the BPA in this scenario, he does little for a 3-4 defensive line without a bona fide NT. Likewise, I can't assume a trade down is going to happen, or even that the Redskins plan on trading down. Therefore anyone I choose at #10 is likely going to be a reach and Taylor is the only bona fide NT in the first three rounds of the draft. Kenrick Ellis is a 3rd round prospect and guess which team lacks a 3rd round pick? Taylor has question marks but so does every other player the Redskins might draft at #10. Ten days ago Taylor was far less in demand and thought to be a 2nd round prospect, which might have left him available at #41. Now, not likely the case. What I really did here was ask myself: "What would Vinny Cerrato do?" And then, I did the opposite.

TCIYM wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:It that's the board:

Who the Redskins would draft: Cam Newton
BPA: Julio Jones / Cam Jordan
Who I would take: Phil Taylor

You Posted on Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:51 pm for the thread "Late Round Picks Request:"

I don't think Phil Taylor is a legitimate #10, more like a #20 or a #25.

I like either Quinn or Jordan at #10, Taylor at #41 ...

Quinn is off the boards according to the poll, so I understand why you aren't sticking with Quinn, but why the change over Jordan at #10 and why the change toward Taylor taking him at #10 as opposed to chancing it and waiting to #41?

Phil Taylor is known to have at least eight teams lining him up for private workouts and is expected to be drafted around the 20th pick in the first round, if not earlier, making him unavailable at #41. While Jordan may be the BPA in this scenario, he does little for a 3-4 defensive line without a bona fide NT. Likewise, I can't assume a trade down is going to happen, or even that the Redskins plan on trading down. Therefore anyone I choose at #10 is likely going to be a reach and Taylor is the only bona fide NT in the first three rounds of the draft. Kenrick Ellis is a 3rd round prospect and guess which team lacks a 3rd round pick? Taylor has question marks but so does every other player the Redskins might draft at #10. Ten days ago Taylor was far less in demand and thought to be a 2nd round prospect, which might have left him available at #41. Now, not likely the case. What I really did here was ask myself: "What would Vinny Cerrato do?" And then, I did the opposite.

I am with you on your thinking. I have been concerned that Taylor might not be available, so we might have to do a Jacksonville and pick our guy earlier. As most folks are saying Nose Tackle is the key to the 3-4. Taylor is the the real deal. Like most of us out there, I am hoping somehow some way we get to trade down.

1. Cam Newton isn't falling to #10
2. The Skins are not drafting Taylor at #10

CanesSkins26 wrote:1. Cam Newton isn't falling to #10
2. The Skins are not drafting Taylor at #10

Ok, Cane. The odds are that you are right on both counts.

Newton isn't falling to #10

and if Julio Jones is available and nobody trades up, it would be hard to pass on him. I voted for Julio on this thread for two reasons - I believe that is who we will pick. The other is we have been clamoring about having a big receiver for years - a big receiver of his talent and speed doesn't ccme along very often - he is a missing piece that we long for and if we are on the two year plan then we got a piece that we won't need later.

The fantasy guy (not league just pure fantasy) in me wants Taylor and then Paea in the second round. Carriker is holding his own at the left end - this would give us a powerful front three that teams would have to reckon with - remember defense wins championships - Remember the Ravens Super Bowl squad? We would not be T-H-E-R-E yet next year with those two but we would be on our way to building a powerful D.

Who was your pick on this thread?

Canes misses the point of the thread...

Hmmm... no wonder why TCYIM gave all three angles

Redskins will pick-
BPA -
Personal pick -

He must have seen a Canes on the radar.

Let me try it

Redskins - Julio Jones
BPA- Julio Jones
My Pick - Phil Taylor

CanesSkins26 wrote:1. Cam Newton isn't falling to #10
2. The Skins are not drafting Taylor at #10

I believe this, but wouldn't be surprised if both of them are on the board at #11

I want Julio Jones drafted at #10 but not by Washington. The word on Taylor is "boom or bust, the later he's picked the better he'll be"... (something about might not love the game but loves the money he can make)...

I hope Taylor is there at #41 but if they can't trade down in the first and get two additional 2011 top 120 picks then they should take Jones at #10 and either Dalton, Devlin, or Ponder (in that order) at #41. They can sign someone like Brandon Mebane from Seattle once the new CBA is worked out and free agency starts.

1niksder wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:1. Cam Newton isn't falling to #10
2. The Skins are not drafting Taylor at #10

I believe this, but wouldn't be surprised if both of them are on the board at #11

I want Julio Jones drafted at #10 but not by Washington. The word on Taylor is "boom or bust, the later he's picked the better he'll be"... (something about might not love the game but loves the money he can make)...

Sounds like someone else on our roster who was suspended for the last four games.

I hope Taylor is there at #41 but if they can't trade down in the first and get two additional 2011 top 120 picks then they should take Jones at #10 and either Dalton, Devlin, or Ponder (in that order) at #41. They can sign someone like Brandon Mebane from Seattle once the new CBA is worked out and free agency starts.

Thanks for the info on Taylor - I will do more homework on him to make sure that he is my guy at #10 on draft day. If during the weeks leading up to the draft, I decide I want Julio Jones (speaking as a fanatsy Coach/GM) at 10 and Taylor is not there at 41, I lean toward QB - Dalton is my man at 41 at QB in that case.

Are you looking a Mebane at nose or end?

1niksder wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:1. Cam Newton isn't falling to #10
2. The Skins are not drafting Taylor at #10

I believe this, but wouldn't be surprised if both of them are on the board at #11

I want Julio Jones drafted at #10 but not by Washington. The word on Taylor is "boom or bust, the later he's picked the better he'll be"... (something about might not love the game but loves the money he can make)...

I hope Taylor is there at #41 but if they can't trade down in the first and get two additional 2011 top 120 picks then they should take Jones at #10 and either Dalton, Devlin, or Ponder (in that order) at #41. They can sign someone like Brandon Mebane from Seattle once the new CBA is worked out and free agency starts.

I like Wes Bunting but I wouldn't take his opinion of a player as gospel any more than I would take Evan Silva's or Mike Florio's. The truth about most players is the median of the best scouting review and the worst one. Average would be a step up from the NT play of last season. Does that justify a #10 pick? Probably not but neither does a wide receiver without a quarterback, nor a defensive end with a nose tackle. Building from the outside in is how this team got into this mess.

Red_One43 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:1. Cam Newton isn't falling to #10
2. The Skins are not drafting Taylor at #10

Ok, Cane. The odds are that you are right on both counts.

Newton isn't falling to #10

and if Julio Jones is available and nobody trades up, it would be hard to pass on him. I voted for Julio on this thread for two reasons - I believe that is who we will pick. The other is we have been clamoring about having a big receiver for years - a big receiver of his talent and speed doesn't ccme along very often - he is a missing piece that we long for and if we are on the two year plan then we got a piece that we won't need later.

The fantasy guy (not league just pure fantasy) in me wants Taylor and then Paea in the second round. Carriker is holding his own at the left end - this would give us a powerful front three that teams would have to reckon with - remember defense wins championships - Remember the Ravens Super Bowl squad? We would not be T-H-E-R-E yet next year with those two but we would be on our way to building a powerful D.

Who was your pick on this thread?

I picked Jones

1niksder wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:1. Cam Newton isn't falling to #10
2. The Skins are not drafting Taylor at #10

I believe this, but wouldn't be surprised if both of them are on the board at #11

I want Julio Jones drafted at #10 but not by Washington. The word on Taylor is "boom or bust, the later he's picked the better he'll be"... (something about might not love the game but loves the money he can make)...

I hope Taylor is there at #41 but if they can't trade down in the first and get two additional 2011 top 120 picks then they should take Jones at #10 and either Dalton, Devlin, or Ponder (in that order) at #41. They can sign someone like Brandon Mebane from Seattle once the new CBA is worked out and free agency starts.

I'd be shocked if Newton is there at 11. Too many teams in the top 10 with qb needs and while he has question marks, some team will roll the dice. Taylor should certainly be available at #11. He has no business being drafted in the top 10.

Here is my rationale for Taylor at #10 if we can't trade down.

Matt Teri for The Official Washington Redskins Blog wrote:

Regardless of if Taylor is generally considered worthy of the tenth pick, he is (we agree) a good fit for Washington's needs. There also seems to be general agreement that Taylor will be gone by the time the Redskins pick again at 41. And that makes things pretty simple, because it means that, mathematically, IT DOESN'T MATTER if Taylor belongs in the top 10.

All that matters is if he belongs in the top 40 (and everyone seems to think he does) -- because 10 is the ONLY CHANCE the Redskins currently have to pick him before 41, at which point he's expected to be gone. As the NFL Draft is currently constituted, there is no way to realistically say "Hey, we like Guy X but we'd rather take him a few picks farther down the line".

http://blog.redskins.com/2011/03/30/phi ... the-draft/

Also Mike Mayock likes him, but seems to allude to "character" issues in his comment below. I will keep following up on that.

Mike Mayock Says: Phil Taylor is an intriguing nose tackle. He’s 338 pounds with rare movement skills. If you buy into the kid from a character perspective, Phil Taylor could make a huge difference in their (Chiefs) defense.

http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/1463

Terl's explanation is absurd. Taking a guy at 10 because he wont last to 41??? Ok, MAYBE that makes sense if a team has specific need and a player fits that need; however, we have needs all over the place. To pass on more talented players, at positions of need, to take a guy because he wont be available in the 2nd round a Cerrato-esque move.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Terl's explanation is absurd. Taking a guy at 10 because he wont last to 41??? Ok, MAYBE that makes sense if a team has specific need and a player fits that need; however, we have needs all over the place. To pass on more talented players, at positions of need, to take a guy because he wont be available in the 2nd round a Cerrato-esque move.

BAM! Cerrato-esque? You clubbed me hard on that one, Canes. It is not that he is #41 talent. His draft stock is rising. He will most likely go in the middle of the 1st round. Taking him at ten would be like Jacksonville taking Tyson Alualu last year at 10 (I know what you are going to say - look at Jacksonville - Touche')

Nose Tackle is a pivitol need. As everybody notes the Pack and the Steelers. If Taylor is the real deal and he won't be available at #41. He is worth looking at as a possibility.

I cannot logically argue against your point of taking a more safe bet talent at 10 like Jones, so I won't even try, because in reality. I would probably take jones, but:

"It's me fantasy and I can draft who I wanna." First Taylor. Then Paea at #41 and then Blaine Sumner with our first 5th rounder. My D- line will make everyone on defense better. So excuse me, while I go back to sleep and dream some more.

Smith pulled a major surprise Thursday night when he selected defensive tackle Tyson Alualu of Cal with the 10th overall pick after the Jaguars weren’t able to swing a trade to move down for more picks.

In most of the media mock drafts, Alualu was rated as a late first round or early second round pick and ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. said the Jaguars reached by half a round.

http://jacksonville.com/sports/2010-04- ... draft-pick

Nose Tackle is a pivitol need. As everybody notes the Pack and the Steelers. If Taylor is the real deal and he won't be available at #41. He is worth looking at as a possibility.

I guess this is where I disagree. Yes, NT is a need. I just don't see it as any more of a need than other positions. I would argue that qb, wr, guard, olb, cb, etc. are all pivotal needs for the team. And I just don't see how it would make sense to draft Taylor at #10, when there is certainly going to be a more highly regarded player available that fits one of our other needs.

I agree - the mistake that some fans make IMO is they think that by adding a few players we might see a consistently competitive product on the field in the near future - this franchise was in a huge mess and needed a lot of things to happen and all of the changes are going to take time

the mistakes in trades and evaluations PLUS the defensive and offensive schemes are going to take more time - we are not suddenly going to have an O line or a defensive juggernaut

this franchise is still trying to get things together and we need at least another 2 drafts and some pretty astute additions thru free agency before we can even begin to hope that the product on the field will be consistently competitive again

Mike & Bruce did not exactly do a great job last year but we are in a better situation with them in charge than we were

they still need to show that they can both manage and coach at a much better level than they have done so far though



take the best player available - this franchise needs to upgrade at so many positions - I hope that if we cannot trade that pick they find a player that will be a really good player for the Redskins for many years

SkinsJock wrote:I agree - the mistake that some fans make IMO is they think that by adding a few players we might see a consistently competitive product on the field in the near future - this franchise was in a huge mess and needed a lot of things to happen and all of the changes are going to take time

the mistakes in trades and evaluations PLUS the defensive and offensive schemes are going to take more time - we are not suddenly going to have an O line or a defensive juggernaut

this franchise is still trying to get things together and we need at least another 2 drafts and some pretty astute additions thru free agency before we can even begin to hope that the product on the field will be consistently competitive again

Mike & Bruce did not exactly do a great job last year but we are in a better situation with them in charge than we were

they still need to show that they can both manage and coach at a much better level than they have done so far though



take the best player available - this franchise needs to upgrade at so many positions - I hope that if we cannot trade that pick they find a player that will be a really good player for the Redskins for many years

Exactly. This is going to take time. There is no "quick fix" solution to our problems. It's going to take several drafts and off-seasons to get our talent and depth to where it needs to be for the team to be a consistent competitor, especially given the quality of our division.

The single biggest negative on Julio Jones is that he has trouble holding onto the football, especially over the middle. Lack of concentration. Head not always in the game. Not the kind of player I would prefer the Redskins draft at #10.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Nose Tackle is a pivitol need. As everybody notes the Pack and the Steelers. If Taylor is the real deal and he won't be available at #41. He is worth looking at as a possibility.

I guess this is where I disagree. Yes, NT is a need. I just don't see it as any more of a need than other positions. I would argue that qb, wr, guard, olb, cb, etc. are all pivotal needs for the team. And I just don't see how it would make sense to draft Taylor at #10, when there is certainly going to be a more highly regarded player available that fits one of our other needs.

Ok, I will argue with you on this one concerning the importance of the nose tackle in the 3-4 defense.

Nose tackle is an all-important position in the 3-4 defense. The nose tackle takes on a double-team on almost every play. His job is to keep the offensive linemen off the inside linebackers so they can read, react and make plays. The nose tackle also is responsible for maintaining rush lanes on passing plays, so the quarterback doesn't have anywhere to step up in the pocket.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/colleg ... s-4014.ece

You will find countless quotes concerning the importance of the nose tackle in a 3-4. Your 3-4 goes the way of your nose tackle. Want to know how our 31st D could produce 3 Pro Bowlers and a 4th if Landry doesn't get hurt? Check out how often the nose tackles got pushed into the secondary. A solid nose tackle would have made a huge difference this season. Check out how many close games we lost. Notice I said a "solid" nose tackle would have made a differenc. Even a journeyman Anthony Bryant made a big difference in our D's performance when he was in there because he didn't get pushed around (No, he is not the full time answer).

I cannot make a strong case for Phil Taylor for #10, but I can make a strong case that the nose tackle position, whether it be draft or FA signing, will be addressed.

Like you said, they can't all be addressed, but when it comes to a triage situation, nose tackle takes priority.

Since Mike says that it is going to take three years, he might opt to sign Kris Jenkins as a stop gap for one year and hope he holds up and look at future draft prospects coming up for next year. The fact that he entertained a visit from Shaun Rogers says that FA is an avenue he is looking at and also evidence that Phil Taylor will not be our #10.

To sum up, Phil Taylor might not be the guy, but you will see a signing of a quality nose tackle this off-season because this position is critical to the 3-4.

Getting out of my fantasy mode, will will take the BPA at #10 and that probably will be Jones.