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How long should this continue? At what point does either side say "enough is enough"

If I was an owner, I would let the NFL Comm know he was on a short leash, if no agreement can be reached very soon, Close up shop and let the players walk. No doubt, it would cost them millions but the owner has to have the freedom to run his business. Many of the players may not understand this as they make millions and often go broke/bankrupt.

This is all the owners fault. They are the ones that opted out of the current agreement. Then they did this tv agreement because they wanted insurance because their plan all along was to lock out the players.

^^ sorry - that's not the case at all - you have no clue

the owners did not want to keep going with the old agreement and did, basically, cause this to be at the place where it is - BUT both sides are to blame for not getting a new CBA in place - they both want a bigger piece of the pie

this is all about greed from both sides

the fact that they cannot agree on how to split 9 billion dollars (AND counting btw) is just so aggravating and the fact that the fans will ultimately be hurt the most is just maddening

we all understand that all of the owners are very rich and just want to get richer but it's equally painful to hear a number of players saying that a lockout or a season of not playing will not 'hurt them financially' because they've been getting ready for it for a while and a couple even saying "I don't need to make any more money - I'm set for life" - this is a lot of BS


both sides are equally to blame and we are the ones that will get hurt the most

ACTUALLY - the players seem as determined as the owners to cause this not to get resolved, if not more, IMO

Hey SkinsJock, I just heard on the radio this morning the amount actually went down from the 9Billion. I could've misunderstood though, any info on that bro?

How long WILL this continue? Who knows!

How long SHOULD it continue? Not a minute more. Both sides should swallow their pride and get it done NOW. After all, as fans of the Washington Redskins, we are more badly hurt by offseason disruption than any other franchise, lol. This IS our season right now!

Seriously, it's just utterly demoralising to have this crap hanging over the fans' heads.

UK Skins Fan wrote:This IS our season right now!

That's my motto every year my friend!

Well, the NFL players union filed for decertifcation

UK Skins Fan wrote:How long WILL this continue? Who knows!

How long SHOULD it continue? Not a minute more. Both sides should swallow their pride and get it done NOW. After all, as fans of the Washington Redskins, we are more badly hurt by offseason disruption than any other franchise, lol. This IS our season right now!

Seriously, it's just utterly demoralising to have this crap hanging over the fans' heads.

You are correct from the fact that we need to get some of these players traded BEFORE the draft and that doesn't look like its happening. I will tell you this, I have a deadline of April 15th for this to get resolved. If it hasn't been by then, I'm out.

The players in my opinion are being a bit ridiculous asking for all these financial statements. Would you go into your boss's office and demand to see his financial books before asking for a raise? Absolutely not. neither do other unions. Come on now. The owners OWN the team. There are no partnerships here. Since when does a company get run by the employees? If you don't like it, go somewhere else. These guys are replaceable. If I were the owners, I would move on with the draft and replace all these idiots in 4 years.

What I wonder, and I need to turn on Sirius NFL tonight to find out, is now that they have decertified, and the owners can't lock them out, can they still play with replacement players? I think if they lock them out, they can not, but what happens if they don't?

SkinsJock wrote:^^ sorry - that's not the case at all - you have no clue

the owners did not want to keep going with the old agreement and did, basically, cause this to be at the place where it is - BUT both sides are to blame for not getting a new CBA in place - they both want a bigger piece of the pie

this is all about greed from both sides

the fact that they cannot agree on how to split 9 billion dollars (AND counting btw) is just so aggravating and the fact that the fans will ultimately be hurt the most is just maddening

we all understand that all of the owners are very rich and just want to get richer but it's equally painful to hear a number of players saying that a lockout or a season of not playing will not 'hurt them financially' because they've been getting ready for it for a while and a couple even saying "I don't need to make any more money - I'm set for life" - this is a lot of BS


both sides are equally to blame and we are the ones that will get hurt the most

ACTUALLY - the players seem as determined as the owners to cause this not to get resolved, if not more, IMO

DON'T TELL ME THAT I DON'T HAVE A CLUE. If you want to disagree with me that's fine with me, you have a right to your own opinion. The owners are the ones that agreed with the players with the original CBA and then voided the CBA with the intent of locking out the players that's why they did the TV contract so they would have lockout insurance. The players have been more then fair in this situation. In fact the players have never asked for more money and that's a fact. All the players are saying okay if you want us to take less money and you are losing money then show us where you are losing money. The players just want to play football.

Sorry - I respect your position but I think you're biased towards the players

I happen to think that both sides are totaly out of whack here BUT the players did walk away from the owners 4pm offer today and then at 5pm it became very apparent that while they were still "talking" with the owners, D. Smith, at 4pm was filing decertification papers

this is totally BS and I think the players better find a way to negotiate - NOBODY is going to come away with anything if this goes to litigation and we have a very good chance of losing a season - the owners do not want this to go to trial and the players are the only party that can put an end to that

jeremyroyce wrote:... The owners are the ones that agreed with the players with the original CBA and then voided the CBA ..l.

are you kidding? The owners did not like the original CBA and have wanted to change it since 2008 - the players would love to keep doing "business" with the owners under the same old rules - the owners don't like being in a 'partnership' with a 59% - 41% split in favor of the players .. DUH

BOTH sides are 'screwing' with a 9 billion take - this is stupid

SkinsJock wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:... The owners are the ones that agreed with the players with the original CBA and then voided the CBA ..l.

are you kidding? The owners did not like the original CBA and have wanted to change it since 2008 - the players would love to keep doing "business" with the owners under the same old rules - the owners don't like being in a 'partnership' with a 59% - 41% split in favor of the players .. DUH

BOTH sides are 'screwing' with a 9 billion take - this is stupid

First off let me address something with you before I begin with my opinion. Don't speak to me as I'm an idiot because you won't win this one my friend. You are being a jackass and you need to be taught some manners.

are you kidding? The owners did not like the original CBA.

Well if they didn't like it then they should not have made the agreement. Doesn't matter if the players wanted to keep doing business under the current CBA. The current CBA was good enough for the owners when they made the agreement. The fact is the players did not create this mess, the owners did. And when the owners opted out there intention was to screw the players with a lockout, and then to make sure that they don't get hurt they did the TV agreement.

SkinsJock wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:... The owners are the ones that agreed with the players with the original CBA and then voided the CBA ..l.

are you kidding? The owners did not like the original CBA and have wanted to change it since 2008 - the players would love to keep doing "business" with the owners under the same old rules - the owners don't like being in a 'partnership' with a 59% - 41% split in favor of the players .. DUH

BOTH sides are 'screwing' with a 9 billion take - this is stupid

First off let me address something with you before I begin with my opinion. Don't speak to me as I'm an idiot because you won't win this one my friend. You are being a jackass and you need to be taught some manners.

are you kidding? The owners did not like the original CBA.

Well if they didn't like it then they should not have made the agreement. Doesn't matter if the players wanted to keep doing business under the current CBA. The current CBA was good enough for the owners when they made the agreement. The fact is the players did not create this mess, the owners did. And when the owners opted out there intention was to screw the players with a lockout, and then to make sure that they don't get hurt they did the TV agreement.

chiefhog44 wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:How long WILL this continue? Who knows!

How long SHOULD it continue? Not a minute more. Both sides should swallow their pride and get it done NOW. After all, as fans of the Washington Redskins, we are more badly hurt by offseason disruption than any other franchise, lol. This IS our season right now!

Seriously, it's just utterly demoralising to have this crap hanging over the fans' heads.

You are correct from the fact that we need to get some of these players traded BEFORE the draft and that doesn't look like its happening. I will tell you this, I have a deadline of April 15th for this to get resolved. If it hasn't been by then, I'm out.

The players in my opinion are being a bit ridiculous asking for all these financial statements. Would you go into your boss's office and demand to see his financial books before asking for a raise? Absolutely not. neither do other unions. Come on now. The owners OWN the team. There are no partnerships here. Since when does a company get run by the employees? If you don't like it, go somewhere else. These guys are replaceable. If I were the owners, I would move on with the draft and replace all these idiots in 4 years.

What I wonder, and I need to turn on Sirius NFL tonight to find out, is now that they have decertified, and the owners can't lock them out, can they still play with replacement players? I think if they lock them out, they can not, but what happens if they don't?

Players aren't asking for raises. The owners want them to take a $1 billiion cut, pleading "poverty". Asking to see their books seems reasonable.

They're all being jerks!!!! No football is freakin nuts!!!

langleyparkjoe wrote:They're all being jerks!!!! No football is freakin nuts!!!

I might use more words, and longer words, to say what I mean. But right now, I couldn't really put it any better than that, my friend

Ok.... do we have Football, NFL, this coming Fall....? YES or NO

tribeofjudah wrote:Ok.... do we have Football, NFL, this coming Fall....? YES or NO

Oh, they'll probably put something out on the field, because that's how everybody gets paid.

I will agree that fighting over 9 billion dollars is nonsensical; however, there was a CBA agreement in place that both parties had previously agreed to. The owners want to change it. Isn't the onus on the owners to open their books and prove that it is necessary for the players to GIVE BACK money? How many of us, would just give back money because the owner of the business asked without showing any proof. The owners should prove to the public and the players that it is necessary for the players to GIVE BACK money, otherwise, they leave them no choice but to go to court. AND give me a break about the owners "offer." Those nice shiny things look great, BUT EVERYBODY knows that the crown jewel of this ISSUE is revenue sharing. So owners make an offer that is reasonable about the revenue sharing AND OPEN THOSE BOOKS!

I know this is the fault of both sides, but I guess I just don't understand why the owners refuse to allow the players to know how much they make. Not doing so makes them look guilty of worng doing...

yupchagee wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:How long WILL this continue? Who knows!

How long SHOULD it continue? Not a minute more. Both sides should swallow their pride and get it done NOW. After all, as fans of the Washington Redskins, we are more badly hurt by offseason disruption than any other franchise, lol. This IS our season right now!

Seriously, it's just utterly demoralising to have this crap hanging over the fans' heads.

You are correct from the fact that we need to get some of these players traded BEFORE the draft and that doesn't look like its happening. I will tell you this, I have a deadline of April 15th for this to get resolved. If it hasn't been by then, I'm out.

The players in my opinion are being a bit ridiculous asking for all these financial statements. Would you go into your boss's office and demand to see his financial books before asking for a raise? Absolutely not. neither do other unions. Come on now. The owners OWN the team. There are no partnerships here. Since when does a company get run by the employees? If you don't like it, go somewhere else. These guys are replaceable. If I were the owners, I would move on with the draft and replace all these idiots in 4 years.

What I wonder, and I need to turn on Sirius NFL tonight to find out, is now that they have decertified, and the owners can't lock them out, can they still play with replacement players? I think if they lock them out, they can not, but what happens if they don't?

Players aren't asking for raises. The owners want them to take a $1 billiion cut, pleading "poverty". Asking to see their books seems reasonable.

The last offer on the table would have given the players a 10% RAISE friend

Red_One43 wrote:I will agree that fighting over 9 billion dollars is nonsensical; however, there was a CBA agreement in place that both parties had previously agreed to. The owners want to change it. Isn't the onus on the owners to open their books and prove that it is necessary for the players to GIVE BACK money? How many of us, would just give back money because the owner of the business asked without showing any proof. The owners should prove to the public and the players that it is necessary for the players to GIVE BACK money, otherwise, they leave them no choice but to go to court. AND give me a break about the owners "offer." Those nice shiny things look great, BUT EVERYBODY knows that the crown jewel of this ISSUE is revenue sharing. So owners make an offer that is reasonable about the revenue sharing AND OPEN THOSE BOOKS!

If you put a rookie wage scale in place, that takes much of what the owners want back out of the equation. The final offer on the table was to split the difference with the players. which would have taken the available money for player contracts from 3.75 billion to 4 billion. That's actually a large raise if you consider that the rookies portion would be much smaller.

langleyparkjoe wrote:They're all being jerks!!!! No football is freakin nuts!!!

True dat!

fact is that despite everything that has happened (OR not happened) - the NFLPA walked away from negotiating a way of going forward - this in my opinion will be perceived by most fans as the wrong way to get an agreement

Despite what some here think - last time the players and owners put together a CBA, the owners agreed to something that they did not like - this time, I think, the players decided that they were not going to make that mistake, and here we are

I see the players being granted an injuntion by Doty and player trades and the draft will happen - HOWEVER this is now in the court systems and that will involve appeals and it will not be good

I really think that by July (or August) the fans will be blaming the players for not continuing to negotiate despite that they (the players) felt that the owners were in the wrong here


I think this is going to be V messy - in the end the players will be "blamed" even though there is plenty of "blame" to go around here

It seems that the players want the benefits of collective bargaining, without all the bother of doing the bargaining part.

Although the owners take the initial PR hit of withdrawing from the existing CBA, the players will take a PR hit from being perceived as the ones who walked away from the negotiations.

chiefhog44 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:How long WILL this continue? Who knows!

How long SHOULD it continue? Not a minute more. Both sides should swallow their pride and get it done NOW. After all, as fans of the Washington Redskins, we are more badly hurt by offseason disruption than any other franchise, lol. This IS our season right now!

Seriously, it's just utterly demoralising to have this crap hanging over the fans' heads.

You are correct from the fact that we need to get some of these players traded BEFORE the draft and that doesn't look like its happening. I will tell you this, I have a deadline of April 15th for this to get resolved. If it hasn't been by then, I'm out.

The players in my opinion are being a bit ridiculous asking for all these financial statements. Would you go into your boss's office and demand to see his financial books before asking for a raise? Absolutely not. neither do other unions. Come on now. The owners OWN the team. There are no partnerships here. Since when does a company get run by the employees? If you don't like it, go somewhere else. These guys are replaceable. If I were the owners, I would move on with the draft and replace all these idiots in 4 years.

What I wonder, and I need to turn on Sirius NFL tonight to find out, is now that they have decertified, and the owners can't lock them out, can they still play with replacement players? I think if they lock them out, they can not, but what happens if they don't?

Players aren't asking for raises. The owners want them to take a $1 billiion cut, pleading "poverty". Asking to see their books seems reasonable.

The last offer on the table would have given the players a 10% RAISE friend

Last I saw, the owners still wanted more "off the top". Do you have a link?