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Believe me, I will be crushed if there is a lockout, but the Skins did win the Superbowl the last two times there was a lockout.

I think a lockout is exactly what the big market teams are hoping for. The union will decertify and will allow the big teams to go free agency hunting. Guess what. P. Manning is a free agent and he goes to the highest bidder. We're walking into MLB rules in about 24 hours guys. As a former Reds fan, this is why I banned the MLB, but as a Skins fan on the other side...wouldn't mind being the Yankees for a while

PAPDOG67 wrote:Believe me, I will be crushed if there is a lockout, but the Skins did win the Superbowl the last two times there was a lockout.

Way to keep hope alive! However, do keep in mind that Gibbs had something special that did carry over into Gibbs II as evidenced by the 2005 and 2007 winning streaks that led to the play-offs. I mean, what coach beside Gibbs could have pulled off the defeat of the Cowboys with "scabs" in Texas Stadium with Dallas having a number of guys crossing the picket line? That something would be tough for any coach to duplicate. With all that being said, I am going to keep hope alive too. If anyone can, Shanahan can!

Not having NFL games would be terrible and a stupid mistake by both sides

Really thinking that this franchise will be successful because of a strike or a lockout (and what happened years ago) OR because we can "buy" players that will make this franchise better shows how even more stupid some fans are


I'm very concerned & hope that both sides will figure out a way to get this resolved & continue being the greedy, selfish idiots they both are

There will be a salary cap so it's not like we can stock the shelves with any/all players we want.

So let me explain what's going on as I heard it this morning on Mike & Mike. If there is a lockout, there will be NO GAMES at all this season (until they fix whatever issues they have). This is different than in the past because there will not be any "substitute" players (or scabs as the players call them). So while yes we did our thing in the past, we won't have that same opportunity this season.

I hope there's football cause I know I'll be a hard man to live with if there isn't any.

This gets to be a big problem if the players union de-certifies today:
A) - this will then mean that the owners are most likely facing an anti-trust suit
B) - the owners will definetly face an anti-trust suit if they lockout the players

the fact is that both sides cannot afford that

IF we don't have an NFL season - the owners will be financially hurt, a lot -many players, past and present will be financially hurt, a lot more



AND fans and people that make a living outside of the lines will be really hurt

It seems like the league has this idea that they can drag this out and maybe miss some games and not hurt the product. Anybody else find this completely misguided? Just look at all of the NFL stuff we normally enjoy that is potentially gone already: free agency, mini-camps, training camp, etc; Even the draft is kind of screwed up because of the uncertainty with free agency.

The lockout hasn't even started yet and my interest in the NFL in already sliding. Sorry but reading about lawyers, mediators and collective bargaining just isn't the same. I'm sure the NFL will survive, but it sucks to see greed messing up a good thing.

I noticed some posters with opinions that the lockout/decertification would be good for teams like the Redskins who can take advantage because of the money they can spend. There's a decent article on pfw kind of arguing the opposite and guessing what teams will be hurt the most if this goes down (Redskins are #12):

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/41881898/ns/sports-nfl/

I think his argument is that these teams with either new coaching staffs or serious holes to fill (like the Skins) will be left scrambling to acquire FAs whenever the time comes, and won't have enough time for those players to really plug in and make a difference.

Its a short term argument, but decent read either way.

I don't think that either side is looking at anything more than an opportunity to make more money

The owners want more and the players want more - the problem is not that either side wants to continue down the road of owners making ridiculous amounts OR players being paid way too much money for what they do

Both sides want 2 things - they want to make more and, maybe more importantly, they want the other side to make less than they do

Both players and owners are making more than they ever did and they are a part of the most financially secure sport in the USA
like I said, they both want a bigger slice of the NFL pie than the other side

The players union needs to decertify - if they are a union then they go to the labor courts but if there is no union, then they end up in anti trust litigation and that will not be good for the owners


neither side will do very well if this is not "resolved" and soon

and the fans and others with no formal part in this process will be really hurt here

I wouldn't mind a lockout. Cancel the whole season. It's not like the Skins were going to be Super Bowl contenders this year anyway. A year of not wanting to kick doors and punch walls every Sunday might actually be a good thing for some of us.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I wouldn't mind a lockout. Cancel the whole season. It's not like the Skins were going to be Super Bowl contenders this year anyway. A year of not wanting to kick doors and punch walls every Sunday might actually be a good thing for some of us.

Shh. Don't tell him we sometimes play on Mondays, too...

SkinsJock wrote:The players union needs to decertify - if they are a union then they go to the labor courts but if there is no union, then they end up in anti trust litigation and that will not be good for the owners


neither side will do very well if this is not "resolved" and soon

and the fans and others with no formal part in this process will be really hurt here

I don't pretend to understand all this mumbo jumbo! To my mind, you can't call yourself a union one day, and then decide that you aren't a union the next day, especially if you're acting as a unified body representing "the workers".

Shove a missile up the rear end of everybody involved, let them know that while they're trying to screw each other, they're both screwing the fans. I know that doesn't solve anything, but it does make me feel better by saying it.

Hooligan wrote:Shh. Don't tell him we sometimes play on Mondays, too...

This team hasn't PLAYED a game since the end of January, 1992 regardless of the day of the week.

Sorry RF, I can't take the approach that its not like our Skins were gonna win the SB. I mean, how da heck do you know that? I'm pretty darn sure no one thought AZ would make it to play the Steelers a few years ago. As a fan, I'm always gonna expect my boys to make the SB.. I mean, that's why they play the game, to make it to the SB.

langleyparkjoe wrote:Sorry RF, I can't take the approach that its not like our Skins were gonna win the SB. I mean, how da heck do you know that? I'm pretty darn sure no one thought AZ would make it to play the Steelers a few years ago. As a fan, I'm always gonna expect my boys to make the SB.. I mean, that's why they play the game, to make it to the SB.

lpj, let's inject a touch of reality here.... this team is NOT going to the Super Bowl in February of 2012 without tickets. There are so many holes right now that there is no way for this team to fix them all in one offseason. Especially with the pending lockout and labor issues.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I wouldn't mind a lockout. Cancel the whole season. It's not like the Skins were going to be Super Bowl contenders this year anyway. A year of not wanting to kick doors and punch walls every Sunday might actually be a good thing for some of us.

Yeah... I can see why actually growing up, and becoming a responsible, mature adult might not be an option...

frankcal20 wrote:There will be a salary cap so it's not like we can stock the shelves with any/all players we want.

Actually no there won't. that's the point of decertification. There also won't be any such thing as tags

It's almost certain that the players will decertify, mainly because that way they get to have their cases looked at by Judge Doty and instead of being in a labor court it's in an anti trust court

I still think that the owners are in a slightly better position - they will be making money for many years - the players have a limited time to earn theirs


this is really crazy - both sides seem determined to do all they can to hurt the other AND both sides seem to think they'll find a way to resolve this

Countertrey wrote:Yeah... I can see why actually growing up, and becoming a responsible, mature adult might not be an option...

I am who and what I am, CT. That's all I'm ever going to be. I'm not going to change.

Then again, if they get a new CBA done it will probably be of a type and style that will drive me away from the NFL entirely, anyway.

Countertrey wrote:

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I wouldn't mind a lockout. Cancel the whole season. It's not like the Skins were going to be Super Bowl contenders this year anyway. A year of not wanting to kick doors and punch walls every Sunday might actually be a good thing for some of us.

Yeah... I can see why actually growing up, and becoming a responsible, mature adult might not be an option...

You're only young once, but you can be immature forever

SkinsJock wrote:I don't think that either side is looking at anything more than an opportunity to make more money

The owners want more and the players want more - the problem is not that either side wants to continue down the road of owners making ridiculous amounts OR players being paid way too much money for what they do

Both sides want 2 things - they want to make more and, maybe more importantly, they want the other side to make less than they do

Both players and owners are making more than they ever did and they are a part of the most financially secure sport in the USA
like I said, they both want a bigger slice of the NFL pie than the other side

I think it's more about control than money. Both sides have more money than any one can reasonably spend. (But it sure would be fun to try).

yupchagee wrote:You're only young once, but you can be immature forever

Maturity depends on what you hold dear. Personally I hold WINNING to be among the dearest things in the world to me. I am an exceptionally sore loser and always have been. I'm not even a decent WINNER most of the time. That's simply who and what I am, and it is very unlikely that will EVER change.

yupchagee wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I don't think that either side is looking at anything more than an opportunity to make more money

The owners want more and the players want more - the problem is not that either side wants to continue down the road of owners making ridiculous amounts OR players being paid way too much money for what they do

Both sides want 2 things - they want to make more and, maybe more importantly, they want the other side to make less than they do

Both players and owners are making more than they ever did and they are a part of the most financially secure sport in the USA
like I said, they both want a bigger slice of the NFL pie than the other side

I think it's more about control than money. Both sides have more money than any one can reasonably spend. (But it sure would be fun to try).

true dat - the owners want 2 billion more than they're getting now but they really want the players to go from a 59% share down to a 50% share and the players just want to make sure that they make more than the owners OR a bigger piece of the 9 billion plus pie ie more control than the owners

getting a new CBA has been on both their agendas for 2 years now - adding 24 hours ain't getting it done

SkinsJock wrote:getting a new CBA has been on both their agendas for 2 years now - adding 24 hours ain't getting it done

On this we're in total agreement. I have been a part of Union negotiations myself (obviously not with the NFL), and very little is going to get done in 24 hours if the sides are still as far apart as they seem to be.