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I know a lot of you will counter OMG MCNABB AND BROWN but it looks like Shanny is talking about things I've heard posted here countless times.


HAIL!

I like what he's saying in that interview, but he has to actually implement that and not just talk about keeping picks. It's nice and all, but you can't spend multiple picks on two over 30 players and then start talking about the importance of draft picks. I want him to show that the team is committed to building through the draft.

This year, we will use all our picks but that has a lot to do with the uncertainty of the FA market and how it's going to roll out. I can only hope that we get PLAYERS who will be on the team and be effective as starters or quality backups.

I think that Shanahan and Allen realize they made a mistake or 2 in the past year and I think that they will learn from what has transpired

there's the possibility that they will just decide to make up for the McNabb mistake and make another move just like it, just to show everyone that they can make good trades BUT I just don't think they will do that again

I'm sure that there are some here that will point to all the mistakes that have been made here and by Mike and Bruce in years gone by as 'proof' that these 2 guys don't have a clue what they're doing and will continue to make bad moves

I just prefer to think that they have learned over the past year and from their past mistakes - that's just me


man oh man - are we ever lucky that with all the issues we have as a franchise, we now have a FO that has a clue

frankcal20 wrote:This year, we will use all our picks but that has a lot to do with the uncertainty of the FA market and how it's going to roll out. I can only hope that we get PLAYERS who will be on the team and be effective as starters or quality backups.

I agree Frank but I prefer to think that a lot of players are going to have a big opportunity to be here and will want to make the effort to be a part of what is happening here

there are a lot of not so good players that are going to be pushed to their best in order to be a part of what's happening here

SkinsJock wrote:I think that Shanahan and Allen realize they made a mistake or 2 in the past year and I think that they will learn from what has transpired

there's the possibility that they will just decide to make up for the McNabb mistake and make another move just like it, just to show everyone that they can make good trades BUT I just don't think they will do that again

I'm sure that there are some here that will point to all the mistakes that have been made here and by Mike and Bruce in years gone by as 'proof' that these 2 guys don't have a clue what they're doing and will continue to make bad moves

I just prefer to think that they have learned over the past year and from their past mistakes - that's just me


man oh man - are we ever lucky that with all the issues we have as a franchise, we now have a FO that has a clue

I'm trying to think about all these mistakes BA and MS and other than trading for McNabb and his excuse for benching him in Detroit I really can't think of anything.

Giving up a 2nd and a 4th for a 6 time probowler nearing the end of his carreer wasn't a bad deal, it was just the fact that the Shannys weren't willing to adjust their sceam for #5. I have a problem with the decision behing the trade and not the trade itself.

The Brown trade didn't cost him a pick it just was trade down from the 3rd to the 5th. The risk reward for that deal was very much in favor of the Skins. And Brown might still end up being a very good RT and a potential back up LT. As the season went on he seamed to get healthier.

MS and BA handled that lump, AH, as best they could. They used the uncapped year to get out from under his contract so they could cut him this year. They didn't give into him, but they did try to work with him.

Shanahan and Allen looked over the roster and decided to go into 2010 with the same safeties as the Skins had in 2009 & 2008 despite the obvious lack of an FS on the roster.

They cut Howard Green, last seen forcing a turnover in the Super Bowl, and traded Justin Tryon, last seen starting 6 games for a team with a much better defense than the Skins', for essentially nothing.

They gave roster spots to Roydell Williams and Joey Galloway who contributed basically nothing to the product on the field, and instead cut Devin Thomas, who, while an unquestionable bust as a 2nd-round pick at WR, was a willing and gifted ST player, last seen, of course, blocking a Hunter Smith punt.

And that's without touching any of the big moves.

Things may be better next year (and since I'm going to watch either way, I'm certainly hoping they are) but at this point that will need to be despite most of the moves made in the last year, not because of them.

Paralis wrote:Shanahan and Allen looked over the roster and decided to go into 2010 with the same safeties as the Skins had in 2009 & 2008 despite the obvious lack of an FS on the roster.

They cut Howard Green, last seen forcing a turnover in the Super Bowl, and traded Justin Tryon, last seen starting 6 games for a team with a much better defense than the Skins', for essentially nothing.

They gave roster spots to Roydell Williams and Joey Galloway who contributed basically nothing to the product on the field, and instead cut Devin Thomas, who, while an unquestionable bust as a 2nd-round pick at WR, was a willing and gifted ST player, last seen, of course, blocking a Hunter Smith punt.

And that's without touching any of the big moves.

Things may be better next year (and since I'm going to watch either way, I'm certainly hoping they are) but at this point that will need to be despite most of the moves made in the last year, not because of them.

Funny how most all of these stars you site, actually suck ass. Tryon came in and played because of injury and I wouldn't call the Colts a great defense. They were actually worse than the Skins in points per game. Devin has been on two other teams since being cut. And Howard Green? Come on, he had one good play after being signed midway through the year because of injury. Please you obviously have an agenda if you are using this as an example of a bad move. The 5 other teams he played for must be just kicking themselves as well.

I admit, the Mcnabb decision was a mistake but at least he is moving on and not dragging that expirement out for 5 years. But who cares about bringing in low price vets for competition. I'm all for that. That works for the Pats all the time. We just don't have the team to support that yet.

You fail to mention the good things. Drafting an OT who will start for a decade, finding BB, Armstrong, getting Brown for a mid rounder, bringing in Torain, and Carriker was an AMAZING pick up for what equates to a 7th rounder IMO. Bringing in a couple guards who may end up actually being pretty decent down the stretch, restructuring a Haynesworth contract which would have crippled this team for quite a long time, cutting dead weight Doc. Sorry we couldn't get anything for Carter, that kind of sucks. The team is almost completely overturned in one year. I'm all for that.

Oh yea, I forgot about the complete attitude change on the team, and oh yea, demanding that Cerrato was fired and Bruce hired before signing on...

Paralis wrote:cut Devin Thomas, who, while an unquestionable bust as a 2nd-round pick at WR, was a willing and gifted ST player, last seen, of course, blocking a Hunter Smith punt.

You're right that's when Devin Thomas was last seen. And do you know when that was? In the middle of last season. I wonder why the Giants kept him on their bench after that?

How many TDs did Thomas have for the Giants last year? How many first downs? How many receptions? How many passes thrown his way?

Oh, that's right, he's "a gifted ST player." OK, I'll give you that one. How many kick returns did he have for the Giants? Punt returns? Tackles?

You mean that punt block was essentially his only good play last year?

Well, let me ask you this. What would you rather have: a single blocked punt, OR a few million in cap space, a roster space for a WR who wants to contribute and work hard, and the removal of a drag on the team? (Why do I suspect that if the Redskins paid someone a few million to play for us, and the only thing he contributed was one blocked punt, you'd be up in arms talking about how the Redskins overpay for too little talent?)

If you really think a single blocked punt is worth a few million a year, then I'll concede that according to your values we should have kept Thomas. But by any reasonable standard that was one of the best personnel moves we made last year. Another Cerrato pick that didn't know his head from his ass and wasted his opportunities: good riddance!

Now, what were we talking about again?

I still don't like the way McNabb was handled and I don't like the way AH was handled.

I'll be watching closely to see if that was such as the beginning of the movie with Morgan Freeman, "Lean on Me," or of a monarch on a power trip. I'm praying for the former, but time will tell.

Mike's talking step one, but he's been in the position to execute the plan before in Denver.

Then he was fired for it.
So, he has something to prove in DC before I buy into Mike as the 'answer' for the Redskins.

There is Plummer and Cutler to consider but Jake is not going to any Pro Bowls and Jay is something of a bomb in Chicago.
Not really looking so great now.

Portis was his best choice but then Mike himself defamed Clinton as a "System Back".


If KNOWING what to do and being ABLE to do it were the same thing,
I would be somebody's General Manager.

I'm not a Mike lover.
I don't think he'll do better than 10-6 against the NFC East.
But at least he's capable of giving the Skins a Playoff game.

KCskin wrote:Mike's talking step one, but he's been in the position to execute the plan before in Denver.

Then he was fired for it. So, he has something to prove in DC before I buy into Mike as the 'answer' for the Redskins. There is Plummer and Cutler to consider but Jake is not going to any Pro Bowls and Jay is something of a bomb in Chicago. Not really looking so great now. Portis was his best choice but then Mike himself defamed Clinton as a "System Back".


If KNOWING what to do and being ABLE to do it were the same thing, I would be somebody's General Manager.

I'm not a Mike lover.
I don't think he'll do better than 10-6 against the NFC East.
But at least he's capable of giving the Skins a Playoff game.

I don't think that getting a job as an NFL GM is that easy

I'm not big on Mike Shanahan but he is our HC and he's also partly responsible for removing Cerrato and getting Snyder to not be as involved as he used to - apart from anything else, those 2 actions give him a lot to be thankful for

Mike Shanahan has a long way to go and there is no way of knowing how that will turn out - however he's here and I choose to give him a bit of a break until he shows for sure that he cannot get it done

I prefer to give thanks for what he's done than predict that he cannot get it done

VetSkinsFan wrote:I still don't like the way McNabb was handled and I don't like the way AH was handled.

I'll be watching closely to see if that was such as the beginning of the movie with Morgan Freeman, "Lean on Me," or of a monarch on a power trip. I'm praying for the former, but time will tell.

Other than how he gooned up the explanations for benching McNubb during the Detroit game I have no problem with how he has treated McRibb.

I have absolutely no problem with how he handled AH. He an BA got AH to redue his contract so they can actually afford to dump or trade him this offseason, he didn't let AH do whatever he wanted like the former coach did, he used a lazy player as an example to the rest of the team.

Really I can't see anyhting not to like about how he handled AH.

I'm trying to think about all these mistakes BA and MS and other than trading for McNabb and his excuse for benching him in Detroit I really can't think of anything.

That's a pretty huge mistake, though. Especially considering that he has only been here for a year. Most of the time that type of mistake gets you fired. Blowing two picks on a 34-year old qb that your division rival was willing to dump, without properly doing your homework, and then giving up on him in the middle of the season is a huge mistake for any coach or GM to make.

KCskin wrote:Mike's talking step one, but he's been in the position to execute the plan before in Denver.

Then he was fired for it.
So, he has something to prove in DC before I buy into Mike as the 'answer' for the Redskins.

There is Plummer and Cutler to consider but Jake is not going to any Pro Bowls and Jay is something of a bomb in Chicago.
Not really looking so great now.

Portis was his best choice but then Mike himself defamed Clinton as a "System Back".


If KNOWING what to do and being ABLE to do it were the same thing,
I would be somebody's General Manager.

I'm not a Mike lover.
I don't think he'll do better than 10-6 against the NFC East.
But at least he's capable of giving the Skins a Playoff game.

Your points are well taken.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I'm trying to think about all these mistakes BA and MS and other than trading for McNabb and his excuse for benching him in Detroit I really can't think of anything.

That's a pretty huge mistake, though. Especially considering that he has only been here for a year. Most of the time that type of mistake gets you fired. Blowing two picks on a 34-year old qb that your division rival was willing to dump, without properly doing your homework, and then giving up on him in the middle of the season is a huge mistake for any coach or GM to make.

Owe, I agree with that. Not the benching, but the trading for him. HUGE mistake, but the risk / reward ratio wasn't bad.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I still don't like the way McNabb was handled and I don't like the way AH was handled.

I'll be watching closely to see if that was such as the beginning of the movie with Morgan Freeman, "Lean on Me," or of a monarch on a power trip. I'm praying for the former, but time will tell.

Other than how he gooned up the explanations for benching McNubb during the Detroit game I have no problem with how he has treated McRibb.

I have absolutely no problem with how he handled AH. He an BA got AH to redue his contract so they can actually afford to dump or trade him this offseason, he didn't let AH do whatever he wanted like the former coach did, he used a lazy player as an example to the rest of the team.

Really I can't see anyhting not to like about how he handled AH.

-I still don't believe that the conditioning test was legit.
-The different stories that both Shanahans told all week following the Detriot game still bugs me.
-Telling Al that he couldn't play b/c he didn't know the game plan after his brother died after he specifically requested to play.. come on, he's a NT/DE. they're game plans don't change that much.
-I'm not clearing Al's name, but damn it, I'm not giving The ShanAllen experiment a free pass either.
-And I never agreed with bringing in McNabb when it happened and in hindsite I still don't support it.

I totally understand the critics and am cogniscant of the points the detractors make, over and over

I was not really pleased that Mike was going to be both the HC and a part of the FO here - initially I was VERY concerned about what had been going on and wondered if that would stop

I understand the concern but I now feel that if Mike Shanahan is not the best man for both the HC position and getting this franchise back into respectability again then he's very close to it


I'm willing to let this play out a little more mainly because I like the attitude change by both players and coaches here and I love the fact that Snyder and Cerrato are not running things anymore


we will continue to see players that are very talented and good at what they do not making the grade here - not because they're not good players but because they don't suit what Mike wants here




Mike is going to get this done and soon or the little weird owner is going to kick him out - that's a win win in my book


I'm a Redskins fan - I could care less who the players or the coaches are - just let this program be run by football people again and hopefully we'll see a consistently competitive product on the field again soon

H A I L

I'm not so much a Mike S non-fan as a Kyle S non-fan. After all, he had Slaton(then Foster), Schaub, Andre Johnson (and a good supporting WR corps) and Owen Daniels.

I believe that Nepotism had a part in the sexy Rexy/Mcnabb flubb, namely Kyle in his dad's ear until Mike got tired of it.

I'm not totally sold on M Shanahan, but I think I'd rather have him here if I had to choose a Shanahan.