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http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures

Interesting post on ESPN.com that lists the salary cap totals for each team for 2011. All of this is moot if there is no CBA. But here's the way I see this playing out.

The salary cap is based on a certain percentage of league revenues and includes both a floor and a ceiling. I think the owners want a new cap in place, and Tampa is proving to players, that cheap owners will not hit the floor if they're not required to... So I think a cap goes back into place if they can get an agreement on a new CBA

But I think the league will try to lower the percentage of revenue that goes to player so cap won't go up much from the $130 million per team in 2009.

The Skins, who moved much of Hall's and Haynesworth's contracts into the uncapped year, are refreshingly, not at the top of the list. Notably, the Cowboys have a lot of money allocated to players for 2011, and may have to cut/restructure players to get under any potential cap.

Teams like KC and Seattle, which made the playoffs this year but have small cap figures, might be best positioned to take advantage of FA. As is Tampa that had a great year, with a young team, and lots of cap space going forward.

* Arizona $83 million
* Atlanta $102.1 million
* Baltimore $101.3 million
* Buffalo $96.4 million
* Carolina $73 million
* Chicago $104.9 million
* Cincinnati $90.7 million
* Cleveland $99.2 million
* Dallas $136.6 million
* Denver $125 million
* Detroit $113.8 million
* Green Bay $129.8 million
* Houston $118.4 million
* Indianapolis $115.5 million
* Jacksonville $78.1 million
* Kansas City $74.7 million
* Miami $103.1 million
* Minnesota $108.4 million
* New England $102.3 million
* New Orleans $105.2 million
* New York Giants $126.3 million
* New York Jets $128.5 million
* Oakland $85.8 million
* Philadelphia $80.8 million
* Pittsburgh $116 million
* San Diego $85.8 million
* San Francisco $100.9 million
* Seattle $81.1 million
* St. Louis $102.4 million
* Tampa Bay $59.7 million
* Tennessee $107.4 million
* Washington $115.2 million

Skeletor wrote:* Washington $115.2 million

Wow, we still use that much cap and have as many holes as we do? That's just sad

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Skeletor wrote:* Washington $115.2 million

Wow, we still use that much cap and have as many holes as we do? That's just sad

ain't it the truth - the last year has been a mixed blessing - there have been numerous mistakes but there have been significant and MUCH NEEDED changes

Snyder is sill a part of things but IMO is letting the guys run the team and make ALL the player and coaching decisions

We lacked discipline and respect for both the coaches and each other - NO MORE - GONE


This franchise was in disaray - It will take a little longer but I think that Shanahan has a better idea of what he's got and I'm confident that he'll adapt and improve himself and demand more from his staff, his coaches and his players, going into this off season and next season

I think Shanahan is as good a HC as we could get for what was needed here - a lot of the other 'glamor' guys were all just about coaching - we needed a WHOLE LOT more than that

HOPEFULLY these guys can LEARN from the STUPID mistakes and bad decisions they have made over the past 12 months BOTH on and off the field - let's face it IMO IF these guys have another year like the last, we'll be looking at another change - Snyder is not a very patient guy

Hopefully we get the CBA in place and get back on track - Snyder will pay whatever it takes and we do have some wiggle room left

that is 115 million at the end of the 2010 season correct? We should come in under that once players contracts expire after this season and with players that are cut altogether.

It's salaries and bonus payment that would apply to a 2011 salary cap if there was one. So contracts that expire at the end of the 2010 don't count toward this number. Players cut could lower the cap number, but could also accelerate bonus payments and raise the cap number if the same rules applied as in previous years.

It's still quite a bit but GA has done a darn good job getting rid of some of that dead weight usually we would have the highest salary cap by far. Now with a little more leeway we can bring in a couple egoless players that fits Shanny's system

The best thing GA did was give AH that 21M. By giving him that money early all of it hit last year's "cap". He was already guaranteed the money and didn't get anything extra. This allowed the Skins to be in the situation where they could trade or release him and actual save cap space. If he hadn't done that we would have been stuck with AH, because we wouldn't be able to afford to release him.

And since AH skipped a mandatory camp his 2011 & 2012 salary is no longer guaranteed (more cap savings!).

The best thing GA did was give AH that 21M. By giving him that money early all of it hit last year's "cap". He was already guaranteed the money and didn't get anything extra. This allowed the Skins to be in the situation where they could trade or release him and actual save cap space. If he hadn't done that we would have been stuck with AH, because we wouldn't be able to afford to release him.

And since AH skipped a mandatory camp his 2011 & 2012 salary is no longer guaranteed (more cap savings!).

1) There are only 5 teams with less cap space than we do, & Indy only has $300k less.
2) Who is GA? Do you mean Bruce Allen?

There may be only 5 teams with higher cap figures (there's no sense guessing what the formula for a new cap will be at this point), but the main thing to keep in mind is that number is the amount of money currently committed to salaries, etc. for 2011.

Including $13M for McNabb
and $8M for Portis
~$4M for Dockery
~$5M for Haynesworth

etc. That doesn't count guys like Landry who have big cap numbers that will likely be reduced as needed with contract extensions. Some of that would possibly be offset by accelerated bonus hits, and nothing's going to put the Skins into Tampa's payroll bracket, but the actual total likely to be in effect come September's going to be below $100M if not close to $90.

Assuming that a) there's a 2011 season, b) there's a salary cap that functions something like old one, and c) there's no carryover of 2010 transactions.

There are 8 teams with higher cap numbers than the skins and 24 with numbers over $90 mil, so I think the situation is even better than you think. If the players get their way, the cap will go up, if the owners get their way the cap will go down, but no to the levels you are suggesting. The cap numbers listed on the ESPN link are only for those under contract for 2011, which will have the largest FA class in history, so its safe to assume that teams will leave room to sign players. That being said, I'd bet on a cap around $120 mil, with the owners getting other concessions from the players too. Also, you included McNabb's cost, which can be voided by the team. I think Portis is mostly guaranteed $, so we may be stuck with him. With Haynesworth, I'm pretty sure we paid off almost his entire signing bonus last season, so he should become tradable when a new CBA is reached (can anyone confirm that?) As for Dockery, I think we need him. The line was much better when he played.

Hog Heaven wrote:There are 8 teams with higher cap numbers than the skins and 24 with numbers over $90 mil, so I think the situation is even better than you think. If the players get their way, the cap will go up, if the owners get their way the cap will go down, but no to the levels you are suggesting. The cap numbers listed on the ESPN link are only for those under contract for 2011, which will have the largest FA class in history, so its safe to assume that teams will leave room to sign players. That being said, I'd bet on a cap around $120 mil, with the owners getting other concessions from the players too. Also, you included McNabb's cost, which can be voided by the team. I think Portis is mostly guaranteed $, so we may be stuck with him. With Haynesworth, I'm pretty sure we paid off almost his entire signing bonus last season, so he should become tradable when a new CBA is reached (can anyone confirm that?) As for Dockery, I think we need him. The line was much better when he played.

The situation is bad, period. We are old and bad. You can live with old and good, or young and bad, but old and bad is the very worst case

We need to burn down the house and start over. Draft Newton or another young QB, trade veterans for draft picks, and try and build a team that will be young and on the rise 2 or 3 seasons from now

Dave Allen wrote:The situation is bad, period. We are old and bad. You can live with old and good, or young and bad, but old and bad is the very worst case

We need to burn down the house and start over. Draft Newton or another young QB, trade veterans for draft picks, and try and build a team that will be young and on the rise 2 or 3 seasons from now

Amen.

DarthMonk

Hog Heaven wrote:There are 8 teams with higher cap numbers than the skins and 24 with numbers over $90 mil, so I think the situation is even better than you think. If the players get their way, the cap will go up, if the owners get their way the cap will go down, but no to the levels you are suggesting. The cap numbers listed on the ESPN link are only for those under contract for 2011, which will have the largest FA class in history, so its safe to assume that teams will leave room to sign players. That being said, I'd bet on a cap around $120 mil, with the owners getting other concessions from the players too. Also, you included McNabb's cost, which can be voided by the team. I think Portis is mostly guaranteed $, so we may be stuck with him. With Haynesworth, I'm pretty sure we paid off almost his entire signing bonus last season, so he should become tradable when a new CBA is reached (can anyone confirm that?) As for Dockery, I think we need him. The line was much better when he played.

Portis wasn't guaranteed anything in 2011, Fat Albert has no more guaranteed money either, but NFLN reported today that Shanny will bring him to camp if he doesn't get what he wants (nothing lower than a 3rd), removing Moss's voided contract and with DD and Carter gone the Skins are now around $95.3 million. Kemo will shave another 1.5 off on Wed.

Teams have until March 3rd to release players and accrue their dead cap in the current fiscal year (2010) without carrying forward the cap hits to future years. It might be a busy day league wide.

1niksder wrote:

Hog Heaven wrote:There are 8 teams with higher cap numbers than the skins and 24 with numbers over $90 mil, so I think the situation is even better than you think. If the players get their way, the cap will go up, if the owners get their way the cap will go down, but no to the levels you are suggesting. The cap numbers listed on the ESPN link are only for those under contract for 2011, which will have the largest FA class in history, so its safe to assume that teams will leave room to sign players. That being said, I'd bet on a cap around $120 mil, with the owners getting other concessions from the players too. Also, you included McNabb's cost, which can be voided by the team. I think Portis is mostly guaranteed $, so we may be stuck with him. With Haynesworth, I'm pretty sure we paid off almost his entire signing bonus last season, so he should become tradable when a new CBA is reached (can anyone confirm that?) As for Dockery, I think we need him. The line was much better when he played.

Portis wasn't guaranteed anything in 2011, Fat Albert has no more guaranteed money either, but NFLN reported today that Shanny will bring him to camp if he doesn't get what he wants (nothing lower than a 3rd), removing Moss's voided contract and with DD and Carter gone the Skins are now around $95.3 million. Kemo will shave another 1.5 off on Wed.

Teams have until March 3rd to release players and accrue their dead cap in the current fiscal year (2010) without carrying forward the cap hits to future years. It might be a busy day league wide.

Anything with the word cap in it, I look forward to your input. Thanks 1nik!

VetSkinsFan wrote:

1niksder wrote:

Hog Heaven wrote:There are 8 teams with higher cap numbers than the skins and 24 with numbers over $90 mil, so I think the situation is even better than you think. If the players get their way, the cap will go up, if the owners get their way the cap will go down, but no to the levels you are suggesting. The cap numbers listed on the ESPN link are only for those under contract for 2011, which will have the largest FA class in history, so its safe to assume that teams will leave room to sign players. That being said, I'd bet on a cap around $120 mil, with the owners getting other concessions from the players too. Also, you included McNabb's cost, which can be voided by the team. I think Portis is mostly guaranteed $, so we may be stuck with him. With Haynesworth, I'm pretty sure we paid off almost his entire signing bonus last season, so he should become tradable when a new CBA is reached (can anyone confirm that?) As for Dockery, I think we need him. The line was much better when he played.

Portis wasn't guaranteed anything in 2011, Fat Albert has no more guaranteed money either, but NFLN reported today that Shanny will bring him to camp if he doesn't get what he wants (nothing lower than a 3rd), removing Moss's voided contract and with DD and Carter gone the Skins are now around $95.3 million. Kemo will shave another 1.5 off on Wed.

Teams have until March 3rd to release players and accrue their dead cap in the current fiscal year (2010) without carrying forward the cap hits to future years. It might be a busy day league wide.

Anything with the word cap in it, I look forward to your input. Thanks 1nik!

We went a year with one and have no idea what the new one will look like.

Whatever it is the Skins will be well under it, and with the new regime focusing on depth combined with the forthcoming largest free agency market ever, the Redskins should be well on their way forming a young team full of players brought in by the new guys. Guys that seem to not want to throw money at every big name that is on the market. They shouldn't have any problem finding proven players to fit their schemes. We just need "the Danny" and a few members of this site to give them time to rebuild what has decayed for over a decade. But I'm ready to play with the numbers, once we know them