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I for one, think that given that second year in the system with an improved line, D-Mac might do fine, but Snyder needs to stay out of it and shut up!!

What kind of idiot advised him that he needs more of a public profile?? He needs to stay in the background and STFU.

CanesSkins26 wrote:What kind of idiot advised him that he needs more of a public profile??

Well, that would be his new PR chief, Tony Wylie...

He needs a new, new PR chief, methinks...

Just trying to get a draft pick for McNabb. If we say he is gone he has no value to us
Regarding the PR aspect, maybe it is better to respond to questions than be a media punching bag. I am over the Guy but why not try something different. The other way of doing things isn't working

SKIN4LIFE wrote:Just trying to get a draft pick for McNabb. If we say he is gone he has no value to us
Regarding the PR aspect, maybe it is better to respond to questions than be a media punching bag. I am over the Guy but why not try something different. The other way of doing things isn't working

Right, what else is he going to say? "hopefully Rex Grossman is the QB and Donovan is outta here "

[quote="chiefhog44" Right, what else is he going to say? "hopefully Rex Grossman is the QB and Donovan is outta here "[/quote]

How about, "That is a decision that the coaches will make. I hired them to do that job, and I will respect their decision, whatever that may be. I do not currently have any thoughts/comments on that."

Mississippi Hog wrote:How about, "That is a decision that the coaches will make. I hired them to do that job, and I will respect their decision, whatever that may be. I do not currently have any thoughts/comments on that."

No competent business owner would ever say that, or should. I realize he's not a competent business owner regarding the Skins, but he has to start acting like one, not make it worse. The owner is the final say, not a bystander.

I have to agree with Mississippi Hog here. I would have preferred "That's a question for Mr. Allen and Mr. Sannahan." An analogy would be someone asking my head of school what I'll be teaching in Physics this week and her saying "That's something you need to ask him or his department head." My head of school has final say on hiring me and macro-manages but then delegates the micro-management to "experts" ... hopefully.

DarthMonk

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Mississippi Hog wrote:How about, "That is a decision that the coaches will make. I hired them to do that job, and I will respect their decision, whatever that may be. I do not currently have any thoughts/comments on that."

No competent business owner would ever say that, or should. I realize he's not a competent business owner regarding the Skins, but he has to start acting like one, not make it worse. The owner is the final say, not a bystander.

CanesSkins26 wrote:What kind of idiot advised him that he needs more of a public profile?? He needs to stay in the background and STFU.

Roger Goodell did! He told (asked) all of the ownyers to get out and about during this week. The the have been all over radio row; like ravens over fresh road kill.

DarthMonk wrote:I have to agree with Mississippi Hog here. I would have preferred "That's a question for Mr. Allen and Mr. Sannahan." An analogy would be someone asking my head of school what I'll be teaching in Physics this week and her saying "That's something you need to ask him or his department head." My head of school has final say on hiring me and macro-manages but then delegates the micro-management to "experts" ... hopefully.

DarthMonk

You really think a question about who the quarterback of an NFL team would be is equivalent to what's going to be taught in a Physics class that week? You seriously wrote that, read it and clicked? Please, even you don't think that. An equivalent question would actually be who the Physics teacher is going to be and that would totally be a question for the head of the school.

Mississippi Hog wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/24950/dan-snyder-on-radio-row

I for one, think that given that second year in the system with an improved line, D-Mac might do fine, but Snyder needs to stay out of it and shut up!!

What is possibly wrong with this quote? It says nothing about the process or what his role in picking the QB would be.

"Hopefully Donovan McNabb, I like Donovan McNabb very much."

This tread is just a hysterical overreaction to everything Snyder says even when it's completely innocuous because this statement is completely reasonable.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:I have to agree with Mississippi Hog here. I would have preferred "That's a question for Mr. Allen and Mr. Sannahan." An analogy would be someone asking my head of school what I'll be teaching in Physics this week and her saying "That's something you need to ask him or his department head." My head of school has final say on hiring me and macro-manages but then delegates the micro-management to "experts" ... hopefully.

DarthMonk

You really think a question about who the quarterback of an NFL team would be is equivalent to what's going to be taught in a Physics class that week? You seriously wrote that, read it and clicked? Please, even you don't think that. An equivalent question would actually be who the Physics teacher is going to be and that would totally be a question for the head of the school.

Snyder hired a GM to answer those questions on the field, i.e., on game day. Why should it be his responsibility to answer those questions in Feb? Makes no sense. Snyder ultimately has control of the team, but either the GM is there to make the personnel decisions or he's not. There's no shame in saying "I'm paying a manager to make that call. I'm confident that after evaluating the options and talent he'll field the right man."

Irn-Bru wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:I have to agree with Mississippi Hog here. I would have preferred "That's a question for Mr. Allen and Mr. Sannahan." An analogy would be someone asking my head of school what I'll be teaching in Physics this week and her saying "That's something you need to ask him or his department head." My head of school has final say on hiring me and macro-manages but then delegates the micro-management to "experts" ... hopefully.

DarthMonk

You really think a question about who the quarterback of an NFL team would be is equivalent to what's going to be taught in a Physics class that week? You seriously wrote that, read it and clicked? Please, even you don't think that. An equivalent question would actually be who the Physics teacher is going to be and that would totally be a question for the head of the school.

Snyder hired a GM to answer those questions on the field, i.e., on game day. Why should it be his responsibility to answer those questions in Feb? Makes no sense. Snyder ultimately has control of the team, but either the GM is there to make the personnel decisions or he's not. There's no shame in saying "I'm paying a manager to make that call. I'm confident that after evaluating the options and talent he'll field the right man."

He's the owner of the team, he was asked who the starting quarterback would be next year, he answered "hopefully" it would be McNabb and that he likes him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that answer in any way, shape or form. Assuming he didn't go on and say things that weren't in that article, he didn't undercut his coach or even say the team would re-sign him. He didn't make any personnel decision. Tell me in what possible way there's anything wrong with that quote in any way other then that people hate him and assume it means things that weren't said.

I'm sure Danny has a pretty good idea what Mike wants to do with McNabb. If he's gone why not say something nice and non-committal like that and if he's likely to stay why not try to mend fences a bit. It wasn't just not a bad statement, it was positive regarding McNabb and completely non-committal not undercutting Shannahan. It was not only not a bad statement but it was a good one.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:He's the owner of the team, he was asked who the starting quarterback would be next year, he answered "hopefully" it would be McNabb and that he likes him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that answer in any way, shape or form.

For an owner with a reputation for problematic micromanaging — and who is trying to change his public image as a problematic micromanager — I can see why it's not the best answer he could have given. Sure, he wasn't directly undercutting his coach and GM, but why not take the opportunity to affirm their role in the organization?

It's not a big deal, but there's something to be said about it.

What Snyder could have said was something along the lines of: "Shanahan brought McNabb in at a high cost to the franchise and he is expected to make it work. It is neither fair to the organization nor to the player that the personnel manager failed to adequately evaluate the cost-benefit prior to making the trade. Shanahan was hired to end these types of failed personnel decisions, not to be excused for them." What he actually said doesn't seem like a pimple on the ass of an elephant compared with what he could have and likely should have said.

Irn-Bru wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:He's the owner of the team, he was asked who the starting quarterback would be next year, he answered "hopefully" it would be McNabb and that he likes him. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that answer in any way, shape or form.

For an owner with a reputation for problematic micromanaging — and who is trying to change his public image as a problematic micromanager — I can see why it's not the best answer he could have given. Sure, he wasn't directly undercutting his coach and GM, but why not take the opportunity to affirm their role in the organization?

It's not a big deal, but there's something to be said about it.

I agree on the micromanaging reputation of course. But you fix that by taking on the right role, not by being a wuss in the other direction. I'm sure Danny has a pretty good idea what Mike wants to do with McNabb. If he's gone why not say something nice and non-committal like that and if he's likely to stay why not try to mend fences a bit. It wasn't just not a bad statement, it was positive regarding McNabb and completely non-committal not undercutting Shannahan. It was not only not a bad statement but it was a good one.

TCIYM wrote:What Snyder could have said was something along the lines of: "Shanahan brought McNabb in at a high cost to the franchise and he is expected to make it work. It is neither fair to the organization nor to the player that the personnel manager failed to adequately evaluate the cost-benefit prior to making the trade. Shanahan was hired to end these types of failed personnel decisions, not to be excused for them."

Here's the problem with that: your statement is essentially equivalent to saying "we'd better start McNabb, right or wrong." But in reality it was a mistake to bring McNabb in. Shanahan's made that decision, as far as I can tell, and is moving forward. I'd rather have a coach who, upon making a mistake (because every coach will), does his best to correct the error and move on from it.

TCIYM wrote:What Snyder could have said was something along the lines of: "Shanahan brought McNabb in at a high cost to the franchise and he is expected to make it work. It is neither fair to the organization nor to the player that the personnel manager failed to adequately evaluate the cost-benefit prior to making the trade. Shanahan was hired to end these types of failed personnel decisions, not to be excused for them." What he actually said doesn't seem like a pimple on the ass of an elephant compared with what he could have and likely should have said.

He could have said that, but the answer he gave that he hopes it's McNabb and he likes him was a much better, more positive statement.

Snyder is still in my view a horrible manager. His undercutting Zorn by hiring a play caller and trying to bully him into quitting to save money in my view topped every bad decision he'd ever made and showed what a pompous bleep he is. But just knee jerk reacting to everything he says is still pointless to me. He needs to learn to manage, not hide from it.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote: For an owner with a reputation for problematic micromanaging — and who is trying to change his public image as a problematic micromanager — I can see why it's not the best answer he could have given. Sure, he wasn't directly undercutting his coach and GM, but why not take the opportunity to affirm their role in the organization?

It's not a big deal, but there's something to be said about it.

I agree on the micromanaging reputation of course. But you fix that by taking on the right role, not by being a wuss in the other direction.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with saying "that's a decision that will have to be made come training camp and preseason, and I have full confidence in our staff to address the issue." Certainly it's not at the extreme of a pendulum swing; I can imagine far wussier replies than saying "our coaches and GM will asses the situation and make the call."

Not every owner has to say that — for example, it'd be strange if Pollian or Kraft made that claim — but for some owners in particular circumstances it's the right thing to say, IMO. Snyder is such an owner for at least two reasons: (1) the Skins are clearly in a transition phase, building up a team and in search of anchors to hold down certain positions and (2) our QB situation is not going well, and we clearly need to (at least!) examine alternatives.

I think his past also factors into it, but that's not the whole of my argument.

Irn-Bru wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote: For an owner with a reputation for problematic micromanaging — and who is trying to change his public image as a problematic micromanager — I can see why it's not the best answer he could have given. Sure, he wasn't directly undercutting his coach and GM, but why not take the opportunity to affirm their role in the organization?

It's not a big deal, but there's something to be said about it.

I agree on the micromanaging reputation of course. But you fix that by taking on the right role, not by being a wuss in the other direction.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with saying "that's a decision that will have to be made come training camp and preseason, and I have full confidence in our staff to address the issue." Certainly it's not at the extreme of a pendulum swing; I can imagine far wussier replies than saying "our coaches and GM will asses the situation and make the call."

Not every owner has to say that — for example, it'd be strange if Pollian or Kraft made that claim — but for some owners in particular circumstances it's the right thing to say, IMO. Snyder is such an owner for at least two reasons: (1) the Skins are clearly in a transition phase, building up a team and in search of anchors to hold down certain positions and (2) our QB situation is not going well, and we clearly need to (at least!) examine alternatives.

I think his past also factors into it, but that's not the whole of my argument.

I agree with you he didn't need to take a position. I'm just saying I didn't see anything wrong with that he did as long as he phrases it the right way, and he did. Had he said anything that implied he'd decided McNabb will be the starter in any way, I'd agree with all the criticism. But what he said was positive to McNabb and yet leaves every door open, including cutting him.

And I'm no fan of his management style. As I mentioned I own a design and print business and a restaurant. I can't be everywhere and I can't be part of the operational process or it would never work. I hire good people and support them and let them run the business. My jokes in the office are like that I fix the copier by changing the paper size. I actually don't know how to run a credit card. When customers come in after hours when my staff has left I just give them an invoice and tell them to mail a check. I regularly check into the Hogs during the day. It's a great diversion.

So, is my business struggling? My design firm grew 20% last year even in this economy. We're moving into a much nicer space in March. We just added a whole new line of products and I'm working on buying another design/print business which I'd fold into mine. I get so many complements when I'm out about how much people love my staff.

While I joke though about what I can't do, I do the business part of my business, I'm very aware of what's going on and do step in right away when needed. I'll answer my staff's calls on my mobile no matter what I'm doing. While having good staff and trusting them is absolutely critical, my being respected and the ultimate say is as well. If I were not a strong leader, it would fall apart. Good staff don't work without good management. I have no respect for how Danny operates. But his implying that it's all up to Shannahan and he has no say is just the wrong answer.

Pretty much he said he hopes Mcnugget is back right? What's the big deal? I want him back too. This is pretty lame, he's said waaaaaaaay dumber things in the past.

Sorry but the equivalent question to "Who will the head coach (or GM) be?" would be "Who will the Physics teacher be?" Once you pick the coach you let him name the starter and form the game plan. Once the Head hires the teacher the head let's the teacher do the teacher's job.

Get the analogy straight.

DarthMonk

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:I have to agree with Mississippi Hog here. I would have preferred "That's a question for Mr. Allen and Mr. Sannahan." An analogy would be someone asking my head of school what I'll be teaching in Physics this week and her saying "That's something you need to ask him or his department head." My head of school has final say on hiring me and macro-manages but then delegates the micro-management to "experts" ... hopefully.

DarthMonk

You really think a question about who the quarterback of an NFL team would be is equivalent to what's going to be taught in a Physics class that week? You seriously wrote that, read it and clicked? Please, even you don't think that. An equivalent question would actually be who the Physics teacher is going to be and that would totally be a question for the head of the school.