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I have read tons of posts all over the place with their ideas about who we should draft. Iv read the Locker posts, and Von Miller posts ect.. But I wanted to get 1 thread with players and positions. I am not interested in the 2nd round yet, Im looking at the 1st round pick.

Ill throw out the positions of need in regard to players who may be available at 10..

QB - Dont know if there is a QB worth taking #10. Maybe?
WR - After AJ Green, I would not draft any WR at 10
RB - No RB goes top 10 this year
OG - See above
OC - See above
DE - Should be players there
NT - No NT is going #10. Theres a difference between DT and NT. DTs in college probably translate to 3-4 DEs unless they are 330 lb+
OLB - Should be players there
MLB - Not a MLB this yr worth 10
FS - No FS worth 10

After looking at the positions of need and who could be there. IMO QB, DE and OLB are the 3 positions that we could realistically be targeting because there are players in these positions that could warrant a pick at #10.

OLB
1 - Aldon Smith - A fantastic pass rusher at 6' 4" 262 pounds.
2. Akeem Ayers - Ayers is a big (6' 4" 251 lbs), strong, fast run stuffer.
3. Ryan Kerrigan - Quick, talented and at 6' 4" 262 pounds could probably play end or at linebacker on a 3-4 team. Has a non stop motor.
4. Von Miller - At 6' 4" 240 pounds he could be a powerful force rushing the passer. Some say he may be alittle undersized however
5. Robert Quinn - Was suspended in 2010 but, the 6' 5" 270 pounder finished 2009 with 19 TFLs and 11 sacks. Some worry about character concerns.

DE
1. Marcel Dareus - Powerful, quick and excellent size (6' 4" 300 lbs).
2. Adrian Clayborn - Clayborn is the complete package, at 6' 3" 282 pounds he can rush the passer and stop the run.
3. Cameron Jordan - had an incredible season with 12.5 TFL and 5.5 sacks. He was unblockable during the Senior Bowl practices.

QB -
1. Blaine Gabbert - In 31 career games at Missouri, Gabbert threw for 6,822 yards and 40 TDs. His pass efficiency rating of 132.59 is the second-highest in Missouri history
2. Jake Locker - Locker is a big kid (6' 3" 226 lbs) with a strong arm and 4.4 speed. Locker is slipping on most draft boards, but he might rise again when scouts see him work out.
3. Ryan Mallett - A giant (6'6" 238 lbs) quarterback with a powerful, accurate arm

QB - Dont know if there is a QB worth taking #10. Maybe?
WR - After AJ Green, I would not draft any WR at 10
RB - No RB goes top 10 this year
OG - See above
OC - See above
DE - Should be players there
NT - No NT is going #10. Theres a difference between DT and NT. DTs in college probably translate to 3-4 DEs unless they are 330 lb+
OLB - Should be players there
MLB - Not a MLB this yr worth 10
FS - No FS worth 10

QB - I disagree. I think Gabbert is worth taking at #10.
WR - I strongly disagree. Julio Jones is a STUD.
RB/OG/OC - Agree
OLB - Agree. There should be players there.
DB - No safeties but there are a number of stud corners and we need upgrades all over the secondary.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

QB - Dont know if there is a QB worth taking #10. Maybe?
WR - After AJ Green, I would not draft any WR at 10
RB - No RB goes top 10 this year
OG - See above
OC - See above
DE - Should be players there
NT - No NT is going #10. Theres a difference between DT and NT. DTs in college probably translate to 3-4 DEs unless they are 330 lb+
OLB - Should be players there
MLB - Not a MLB this yr worth 10
FS - No FS worth 10

QB - I disagree. I think Gabbert is worth taking at #10.
WR - I strongly disagree. Julio Jones is a STUD.
RB/OG/OC - Agree
OLB - Agree. There should be players there.
DB - No safeties but there are a number of stud corners and we need upgrades all over the secondary.

I personally dont know if I would want Julio Jones at the 10 spot. Behind Peterson and Prince Amukamara, I dont think there are any CBs worth the 10 pick. I have yet to see a mock draft where 1 of them fell to 10. Im assuming both of them would be gone

No to a wide receiver. I don't ever want to see the Redskins take a wide receiver in the top 10, or even the top half of the first round again.

No QB appears worth the #10 pick either.

I agree about guards and centres that high in the draft. Personally, I have no problem with picking a centre in the first round, but not as high as 10, even if there was somebody there deemed worthy.

Probably no nose tackles good enough for a top ten either.

End, outside linebacker - somebody should be worthy, and available.

skins2357 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

QB - Dont know if there is a QB worth taking #10. Maybe?
WR - After AJ Green, I would not draft any WR at 10
RB - No RB goes top 10 this year
OG - See above
OC - See above
DE - Should be players there
NT - No NT is going #10. Theres a difference between DT and NT. DTs in college probably translate to 3-4 DEs unless they are 330 lb+
OLB - Should be players there
MLB - Not a MLB this yr worth 10
FS - No FS worth 10

QB - I disagree. I think Gabbert is worth taking at #10.
WR - I strongly disagree. Julio Jones is a STUD.
RB/OG/OC - Agree
OLB - Agree. There should be players there.
DB - No safeties but there are a number of stud corners and we need upgrades all over the secondary.

I personally dont know if I would want Julio Jones at the 10 spot. Behind Peterson and Prince Amukamara, I dont think there are any CBs worth the 10 pick. I have yet to see a mock draft where 1 of them fell to 10. Im assuming both of them would be gone

I got you. I thought you meant no cb's worth taking in the top 10. No chance that Peterson falls, but I could see Prince being available.

UK Skins Fan wrote:No to a wide receiver. I don't ever want to see the Redskins take a wide receiver in the top 10, or even the top half of the first round again.

Lots of people like to make the argument that you should never draft receivers in the first round or in the top 10, but I've never understood this argument. Year in and year out the top receivers are generally first round players. Take this year for example, of the top 10 receivers in the NFL in total yards, 7 were taken in the first round, and three (A. Johnson, Fitzgerald, and C. Johnson) were drafted with a top 3 pick.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:No to a wide receiver. I don't ever want to see the Redskins take a wide receiver in the top 10, or even the top half of the first round again.

Lots of people like to make the argument that you should never draft receivers in the first round or in the top 10, but I've never understood this argument. Year in and year out the top receivers are generally first round players. Take this year for example, of the top 10 receivers in the NFL in total yards, 7 were taken in the first round, and three (A. Johnson, Fitzgerald, and C. Johnson) were drafted with a top 3 pick.

I have no problem with drafting WRs in the 1st round, or even that high. Like I said if AJ Green were to fall, Id be all for it.

But with all the holes we have, I dont think WR is a position we should take yet. For one, I think the crop of potential FAs could be good at WR and two, I would rather build a solid defense and offensive line before we put in the skill positions (WR, RB).

I wouldn't have a problem with WR at #1 this year. A very good WR will make our QB situation look a lot more manageable.

To me, a top 10 draft pick being used on a wide receiver is like putting icing on the cake. You can get so much more impact (especially on a struggling team) from other positions. OK, if WR is the missing link in an otherwise stacked team, then why not go for it? But in the Redskins current situation, a top outside linebacker could make a huge difference to the defence, as would a nose tackle if a good enough one was available.

I didn't have a problem with the Redskins picking Howard all those years ago, because there didn't seem to be glaring weaknesses elsewhere, at that time. The problem with that pick was that he was the wrong player, not the wrong position.

I DID have a problem with them picking Westbrook, because there were far too many more important positions that needed addressing. He was the wrong position, AND the wrong player, lol.

UK Skins Fan wrote:No to a wide receiver. I don't ever want to see the Redskins take a wide receiver in the top 10, or even the top half of the first round again.

No QB appears worth the #10 pick either.

I agree about guards and centres that high in the draft. Personally, I have no problem with picking a centre in the first round, but not as high as 10, even if there was somebody there deemed worthy.

Probably no nose tackles good enough for a top ten either.

End, outside linebacker - somebody should be worthy, and available.

My secret wish is that AJ Green somehow drops to us at #10. Other then that, I agree.

Oops, I should have said that. Way to keep a secret...

Of course, it's a mistake to look at the draft in isolation. The draft will only be one part of how this team can improve itself in the coming months. I think you can get a lot more value (and a more proven commodity) at WR, in free agency.

UK Skins Fan wrote:To me, a top 10 draft pick being used on a wide receiver is like putting icing on the cake. You can get so much more impact (especially on a struggling team) from other positions

I agree with you, but we're not one lineman from solving the problem and there's not even one line position that is the critical one. We're going to need to keep working on the line. So if you have a good lineman versus a good receiver, you certainly go line. But if you have an exceptional WR I think you go there. Look what we did this year with one receiver, and he's aging. Another actual receiver who's actually good is worth taking.

Irn-Bru wrote:I wouldn't have a problem with WR at #1 this year. A very good WR will make our QB situation look a lot more manageable.

True, but I just think there is so much that goes into the passing game that affects a WR that we dont have set right now. For example, an O Line. If the QB does not have time to throw, we could have Larry Fitz and Roddy White and they still would not get the ball. Lets get that O Line fixed before we start adding skill level pieces. Just my opinion.

Here is my wish list here in order.

1. Marcel Dareus
2. Akeem Ayers
3. Robert Quinn/Ryan Kerrigan
4. Von Miller/Aldon Smith

Dareus would give a huge boost as a 3-4 DE. If you grab a good NT somewhere else and with Carriker, that would be a much improved D Line.

RObert Quinn is iffy with alot of people. But this guy is a STUD. He is 6'5 270 and moves like he weighs 250. If he could get OLB down, man he's be a beast.

Akeem Ayers is my wild card. I think he may be the BEST OLB in the draft right now. He played the position in college and was darn good. He can rush the passer, and cover and has the size needed in a 3-4. I might even take him over Quinn, bc I think Ayers is a sure thing while Quinn may have more upside, but could be a bust.

Im not in Von Millers camp. He is just too small for me and is an Orakpo clone. We need someone for coverage and rush defense. Both these guys get after the passer great, but they got to do other things. QUinn is big enough and agile enough to stand up against the run and in coverage and Ayers has already proved he is a playmaker in coverage and can stand up vs the run.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:To me, a top 10 draft pick being used on a wide receiver is like putting icing on the cake. You can get so much more impact (especially on a struggling team) from other positions

I agree with you, but we're not one lineman from solving the problem and there's not even one line position that is the critical one. We're going to need to keep working on the line. So if you have a good lineman versus a good receiver, you certainly go line. But if you have an exceptional WR I think you go there. Look what we did this year with one receiver, and he's aging. Another actual receiver who's actually good is worth taking.

Well, we're close to coming back to the "best player available" argument. Not a bad argument. But I'd want the available wide receiver to be the best available player by quite a margin before the Redskins select one, IMO.

It seems we are committing to the 3-4, I would really like to get Dareus or Clayborn. Maybe Liuget but he may be more a 4-3 guy. I like Julio Jones but understand he's a risk. I think Kerrigan or Ayers are possibilities as well. Quinn/Amukamara could slip, Jimmy Smith and Nate Solder are in play. It's way too early at this point.

It's definitely a Defense-heavy draft. Get the D early and see what you can do offensively in the second. Mallett, Locker, or even Newton could be there. Decent receiving prospects. Guards. Unless of course they see a viable Nose option in the second, that changes everything.

I'm keeping my eyes on Kerrigan, he isn't alarming athletically but he is very strong and relentless and should collapse the pocket if put opposite Orakpo.

UK Skins Fan wrote:Well, we're close to coming back to the "best player available" argument. Not a bad argument. But I'd want the available wide receiver to be the best available player by quite a margin before the Redskins select one, IMO.

I don't mean to keep going back and forth with you on this, UK. I agree with you on this statement. I think Green is best by a wide margin which is why I'd love to take him with our first pick. I also agree with you in that if it's not him it's not by a wide margin and no way I take another receiver at #10 in this draft.

absolutely agree Kazoo. IMO AJ Green is the only WR in this years draft to warrant the #10 pick. I dont want Julio Jones, Baldwin, Blackmon or anyone else. Green is the only WR that warrants the 10 pick IMO, but he wont be there so we should just stop arguing about that.

Im still holding out hope that Dareus will be there but I dont see him falling that far. Shanny might pull the trigger on a QB, but Im hoping that we go OLB. Im still looking at Ayers then Quinn then Kerrigan/Von Miller/Smith.

We need to build that defense, because even with a average offense, and great defense can keep you in the games. If you get a defense who can score, then watch out!

GO get a young OLB in the draft, a MLB in FA and stack the D Line through FA and later draft picks.

When are we giving our picks away? .. oops I mean when is the draft?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:Well, we're close to coming back to the "best player available" argument. Not a bad argument. But I'd want the available wide receiver to be the best available player by quite a margin before the Redskins select one, IMO.

I don't mean to keep going back and forth with you on this, UK. I agree with you on this statement. I think Green is best by a wide margin which is why I'd love to take him with our first pick. I also agree with you in that if it's not him it's not by a wide margin and no way I take another receiver at #10 in this draft.

No worries. I just have a hard time believing that a wide receiver is ever worthy of that high a pick - let's put it down to personal preference. I'm going to head off and read up on the guy, look at some film etc. I'll get back to you

UK Skins Fan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:Well, we're close to coming back to the "best player available" argument. Not a bad argument. But I'd want the available wide receiver to be the best available player by quite a margin before the Redskins select one, IMO.

I don't mean to keep going back and forth with you on this, UK. I agree with you on this statement. I think Green is best by a wide margin which is why I'd love to take him with our first pick. I also agree with you in that if it's not him it's not by a wide margin and no way I take another receiver at #10 in this draft.

No worries. I just have a hard time believing that a wide receiver is ever worthy of that high a pick - let's put it down to personal preference. I'm going to head off and read up on the guy, look at some film etc. I'll get back to you

OK, I look forward to your detailed analysis and ratings...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:Well, we're close to coming back to the "best player available" argument. Not a bad argument. But I'd want the available wide receiver to be the best available player by quite a margin before the Redskins select one, IMO.

I don't mean to keep going back and forth with you on this, UK. I agree with you on this statement. I think Green is best by a wide margin which is why I'd love to take him with our first pick. I also agree with you in that if it's not him it's not by a wide margin and no way I take another receiver at #10 in this draft.

No worries. I just have a hard time believing that a wide receiver is ever worthy of that high a pick - let's put it down to personal preference. I'm going to head off and read up on the guy, look at some film etc. I'll get back to you

OK, I look forward to your detailed analysis and ratings...

Lol. Well, I've done a little research and my initial verdict - he's really quite good, isn't he? Certainly, he has great hands - highlight reel stuff. And he can run, and has great height. Looks like he could add a few pounds of muscle, but that shouldn't be difficult to do. I don't pretend to be enough of an expert to know whether he runs good routes, and I don't know what his worth ethic is like.

BUT, initial view? Yes, he's worthy of the number 10 pick, although he won't fall anywhere near that far. I still have my prejudices against drafting receives that high, but he does look outstanding. There is no nose tackle worthy of that pick this year, but I'd still prefer an outside linebacker.

However, all in all, I won't commit hari kiri if they pick Green

Lordy - I almost came off of the fence there!

UK Skins Fan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

UK Skins Fan wrote:Well, we're close to coming back to the "best player available" argument. Not a bad argument. But I'd want the available wide receiver to be the best available player by quite a margin before the Redskins select one, IMO.

I don't mean to keep going back and forth with you on this, UK. I agree with you on this statement. I think Green is best by a wide margin which is why I'd love to take him with our first pick. I also agree with you in that if it's not him it's not by a wide margin and no way I take another receiver at #10 in this draft.

No worries. I just have a hard time believing that a wide receiver is ever worthy of that high a pick - let's put it down to personal preference. I'm going to head off and read up on the guy, look at some film etc. I'll get back to you

Just fyi, I posted the below in another thread. Looks like that #10 pick historically has not been a great place to get a player...so if you can get a player (no matter the position, even if it's WR), you should go ahead and pick them.

Look at the last 10 drafts for the #10 pick...it's Tyson Alalu, Michael Crabtree, Jerod Mayo, Amobi Okoye, Matt Leinart, Mike Williams (WR), Dunta Robinson, Terrell Suggs, Levi Jones, Jamal Reynolds, and Travis Taylor. Of those picks, combined they have 5 Pro Bowls (and those 5 are by 2 players; 4 by Suggs, 1 by Mayo). 4 of those players were total busts for their team (Taylor, Reynolds, Leinart, Williams). So at the #10, history tells you that you have a 40% chance of getting a decent player, 40% chance of getting a bust, and 20% chance of getting a Pro Bowler.

History tells us that we shouldn't expect anything great from this pick.

So what history tells us is that we're screwed? Lol - well, at least that takes the pressure off!

The more I think about this, the more I want Robert Quinn. I have been listening and reading a lot about him. First off, he is bigger than Demarcus Ware, so he would work as a OLB as far as size goes. Secondly, the guy explodes off the ball in tape. Thirdly, the dude has won 5, let me repeat 5 state wrestling titles. That means the guy knows leverage and is tough as nails. Think about it, he was wrestling in 8th grade and beating grown men from high school.

The guy got suspended for dealing with an agent which many other players on the team got busted for as well. This guy is going to be a stud in my opinion and will be available when we pick. Having him and Orakpo would be just deadly and help out our secondary quite a bit.

chiefhog44 wrote:The more I think about this, the more I want Robert Quinn. I have been listening and reading a lot about him. First off, he is bigger than Demarcus Ware, so he would work as a OLB as far as size goes. Secondly, the guy explodes off the ball in tape. Thirdly, the dude has won 5, let me repeat 5 state wrestling titles. That means the guy knows leverage and is tough as nails. Think about it, he was wrestling in 8th grade and beating grown men from high school.

The guy got suspended for dealing with an agent which many other players on the team got busted for as well. This guy is going to be a stud in my opinion and will be available when we pick. Having him and Orakpo would be just deadly and help out our secondary quite a bit.

If he's the best pick and he's there @ the spot he's worth, then I'd be happy. I don't know where he's projected to go, so pardon the vagueness.