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As a Texas Longhorn fan, I detest Texas A&M as much as I abhor the Cowboys, but I won't hold that against Von Miller of Texas A & M.

The the draft talk has mostly been about offense and particularly QB, but I say go after Von Miller. Von has what you can't teach - the talent insticts to be a great pass rusher. Haslett has already expressed his desire to have a double pass rushing threat coming from the OLB position. Earlier posts about Miller in other threads have said that he is good but not worth the #10, but after the Senior Bowl, his stock has risen greatly. Also, his stock is expected to rise even more after the combine.

Look for the QB in the scond round. Get the NT, OL and FS in free agency. Get the WR in the later rounds ala Marshall or undrafted Rod Smith.

When a guy with this much talent, instinct and intelligence (the guy lead the nation in sacks as a junior, he could have come out then, but he stayed in school to become a better pro player - this is just the type of dedication that Shanny wants AND you can't teach dedication ) comes out you got to get him.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... insinsider

I totally agree. This dude is a stud and will make the 3-4 SOOOOO much better. I think teams are going to pass in the first round on QB's this year. There a bunch of good but not great QB's in this draft, so there will be a few available in the beginning of the second. LB's are what make the 3-4 successful.

Miller looks good. Imagine...
Orakpo
Riley
Fletcher
Miller

Sick

You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

With the #10 pick we really just need to take the best player available. I can't think of any position we wouldn't draft except a true left tackle who'd not going to play on the right side. You can get a good guy at that spot, but when you reach and end up with a mid to low first round quality it's just a waste when you should get a good player. It's not high enough to pick for position, but it's too high to throw away.

TCIYM wrote:You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

This is just the first mocks I've looked at. Maybe you're right, but, I think there's a good chance he'll be there.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:With the #10 pick we really just need to take the best player available. I can't think of any position we wouldn't draft except a true left tackle who'd not going to play on the right side. You can get a good guy at that spot, but when you reach and end up with a mid to low first round quality it's just a waste when you should get a good player. It's not high enough to pick for position, but it's too high to throw away.

Agreed. You look at the players that should be drafted around the #10 spot and you're looking at dlinemen, lb's, wr's, cb's and qb's...all significant areas of need for us. Take the best player available unless it's a tight end.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:With the #10 pick we really just need to take the best player available. I can't think of any position we wouldn't draft except a true left tackle who'd not going to play on the right side. You can get a good guy at that spot, but when you reach and end up with a mid to low first round quality it's just a waste when you should get a good player. It's not high enough to pick for position, but it's too high to throw away.

Agreed. You look at the players that should be drafted around the #10 spot and you're looking at dlinemen, lb's, wr's, cb's and qb's...all significant areas of need for us. Take the best player available unless it's a tight end.

Agreed as well, but the questions is who does Shanny think is the best player available. My limited opinion thinks that Miller just might be the best player who might be available.

TCIYM wrote:You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

That is a problem. The more people take note of his Senior Bowl performance and what will probably be a lights out perfromance at the combine, you are probably right that I am dreaming. Ah but it is a good dream as Chief said Miller, Riley, Fletcher and Orakpo - SICK!

TCIYM wrote:You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

I was dreaming when Orakpo was taken at 13 too

andyjens89 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

I was dreaming when Orakpo was taken at 13 too

That was an awesome day . . . at least until Vinny used the rest of his picks.

andyjens89 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

I was dreaming when Orakpo was taken at 13 too

The difference is that Orakpo was still projected to be available when we picked. For example, Kiper had the Skins picking Orakpo is his mocks leading up to the '09 draft. On the other hand, most people are projecting Miller to be gone by the time that we pick. There are several 3-4 teams drafting ahead of us and it's hard to imagine Miller dropping to #10, especially after his Senior Bowl performance.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

andyjens89 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

I was dreaming when Orakpo was taken at 13 too

The difference is that Orakpo was still projected to be available when we picked. For example, Kiper had the Skins picking Orakpo is his mocks leading up to the '09 draft. On the other hand, most people are projecting Miller to be gone by the time that we pick. There are several 3-4 teams drafting ahead of us and it's hard to imagine Miller dropping to #10, especially after his Senior Bowl performance.

Well, if that means Dallas won't get a crack at him, it ain't all bad - Miller and Ware as ends? I don't like that.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

andyjens89 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

I was dreaming when Orakpo was taken at 13 too

The difference is that Orakpo was still projected to be available when we picked. For example, Kiper had the Skins picking Orakpo is his mocks leading up to the '09 draft. On the other hand, most people are projecting Miller to be gone by the time that we pick. There are several 3-4 teams drafting ahead of us and it's hard to imagine Miller dropping to #10, especially after his Senior Bowl performance.

Very different recollections... early in the post season, the thinking was that Orakpo would be available at the Redskins pick... but he started climbing. After the combine, most were sure he would not make it past 8... or even higher... and we had resigned ourselves to one of the very good LT's coming out that year.

Countertrey wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

andyjens89 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

I was dreaming when Orakpo was taken at 13 too

The difference is that Orakpo was still projected to be available when we picked. For example, Kiper had the Skins picking Orakpo is his mocks leading up to the '09 draft. On the other hand, most people are projecting Miller to be gone by the time that we pick. There are several 3-4 teams drafting ahead of us and it's hard to imagine Miller dropping to #10, especially after his Senior Bowl performance.

Very different recollections... early in the post season, the thinking was that Orakpo would be available at the Redskins pick... but he started climbing. After the combine, most were sure he would not make it past 8... or even higher... and we had resigned ourselves to one of the very good LT's coming out that year.

You could be right. I just remember not being surprised when he was there. Looking back at that draft, what is surprising is how lucky the Ravens were to get Oher at #23.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

andyjens89 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

I was dreaming when Orakpo was taken at 13 too

The difference is that Orakpo was still projected to be available when we picked. For example, Kiper had the Skins picking Orakpo is his mocks leading up to the '09 draft. On the other hand, most people are projecting Miller to be gone by the time that we pick. There are several 3-4 teams drafting ahead of us and it's hard to imagine Miller dropping to #10, especially after his Senior Bowl performance.

Very different recollections... early in the post season, the thinking was that Orakpo would be available at the Redskins pick... but he started climbing. After the combine, most were sure he would not make it past 8... or even higher... and we had resigned ourselves to one of the very good LT's coming out that year.

You could be right. I just remember not being surprised when he was there. Looking back at that draft, what is surprising is how lucky the Ravens were to get Oher at #23.

You're not the only one who's confused Canes. I remember everyone saying, whoa, Orakpo is there? Now they're all saying that was the projection, but I don't remember it that way either.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

andyjens89 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

I was dreaming when Orakpo was taken at 13 too

The difference is that Orakpo was still projected to be available when we picked. For example, Kiper had the Skins picking Orakpo is his mocks leading up to the '09 draft. On the other hand, most people are projecting Miller to be gone by the time that we pick. There are several 3-4 teams drafting ahead of us and it's hard to imagine Miller dropping to #10, especially after his Senior Bowl performance.

Very different recollections... early in the post season, the thinking was that Orakpo would be available at the Redskins pick... but he started climbing. After the combine, most were sure he would not make it past 8... or even higher... and we had resigned ourselves to one of the very good LT's coming out that year.

You could be right. I just remember not being surprised when he was there. Looking back at that draft, what is surprising is how lucky the Ravens were to get Oher at #23.

You're not the only one who's confused Canes. I remember everyone saying, whoa, Orakpo is there? Now they're all saying that was the projection, but I don't remember it that way either.

By Bill Frisbie, Lead Writer
InsideTexas.com

Most projected Orakpo as a Top 10 pick, if not the No. 5 selection. Instead, Orakpo was the third DE chosen in a Draft that is loaded at that position.

http://insidetexas.com/news/story.php?article=1070

Red_One43 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

andyjens89 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:You are dreaming if you think Von Miller will be there at #10. Most have him going in the top five.

I was dreaming when Orakpo was taken at 13 too

The difference is that Orakpo was still projected to be available when we picked. For example, Kiper had the Skins picking Orakpo is his mocks leading up to the '09 draft. On the other hand, most people are projecting Miller to be gone by the time that we pick. There are several 3-4 teams drafting ahead of us and it's hard to imagine Miller dropping to #10, especially after his Senior Bowl performance.

Very different recollections... early in the post season, the thinking was that Orakpo would be available at the Redskins pick... but he started climbing. After the combine, most were sure he would not make it past 8... or even higher... and we had resigned ourselves to one of the very good LT's coming out that year.

You could be right. I just remember not being surprised when he was there. Looking back at that draft, what is surprising is how lucky the Ravens were to get Oher at #23.

You're not the only one who's confused Canes. I remember everyone saying, whoa, Orakpo is there? Now they're all saying that was the projection, but I don't remember it that way either.

By Bill Frisbie, Lead Writer
InsideTexas.com

Most projected Orakpo as a Top 10 pick, if not the No. 5 selection. Instead, Orakpo was the third DE chosen in a Draft that is loaded at that position.

http://insidetexas.com/news/story.php?article=1070

by Kevin Ewoldt

Mel Kiper Jr. updated his mock draft board yesterday and has the Redskins selecting Brian Orakpo, the defensive end from Texas.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/1/22/731757/mel-kiper-updates-his-draf

Even a broken clock is right twice a day... that applies to broken draft wonks as well...

I remember starting to wonder why Orakpo was still on the board at 8... and got more excited with each pick, because, there was no way Orakpo was going to be there at our pick... I screamed out loud when the Redskins went on the clock, and he was still on the board.

I'm not sure he's big enough to transition to a 3-4 backer, he's traditional 4-3 size. Not to say he can't do it, but he is a little small.

brad7686 wrote:I'm not sure he's big enough to transition to a 3-4 backer, he's traditional 4-3 size. Not to say he can't do it, but he is a little small.

Miller recorded 178 tackles and 33 sacks with the Aggies, including a 17-sack junior campaign. He is a smallish rush end/OLB who played in a 3-4 at Texas A&M. He's keeps a low center of gravity and is very explosive.

TCIYM wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I'm not sure he's big enough to transition to a 3-4 backer, he's traditional 4-3 size. Not to say he can't do it, but he is a little small.

Miller recorded 178 tackles and 33 sacks with the Aggies, including a 17-sack junior campaign. He is a smallish rush end/OLB who played in a 3-4 at Texas A&M. He's keeps a low center of gravity and is very explosive.

Ha well if he played in a 3-4 in college that helps. I was just looking at his weight and its like 25 lbs. less than Orakpo. And Orakpo is more strong than heavy. Just because you're big enough to play a position in college doesn't mean it will carry over to the NFL.

Almost all 3-4 OLB's in the NFL are at least 260, I believe Miller is listed at 238. James Harrison is listed at 242, but I beleive that is incorrect.

If he's there, I would not be mad at that selection. Nobody knows what will happen. The Mocks are off every year. Folks thought Colt McCoy would be drafted before Tebow last year.

brad7686 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I'm not sure he's big enough to transition to a 3-4 backer, he's traditional 4-3 size. Not to say he can't do it, but he is a little small.

Miller recorded 178 tackles and 33 sacks with the Aggies, including a 17-sack junior campaign. He is a smallish rush end/OLB who played in a 3-4 at Texas A&M. He's keeps a low center of gravity and is very explosive.

Ha well if he played in a 3-4 in college that helps. I was just looking at his weight and its like 25 lbs. less than Orakpo. And Orakpo is more strong than heavy. Just because you're big enough to play a position in college doesn't mean it will carry over to the NFL.

Almost all 3-4 OLB's in the NFL are at least 260, I believe Miller is listed at 238. James Harrison is listed at 242, but I beleive that is incorrect.

Check out Lawrence Taylor's height and weight 6'3 241
http://www.databasefootball.com/players ... taylolaw01

Every mock drsft has this Miller climbing higher and higher. I have given up hope that he will be around at 10.

"I always saw myself with a blue star on the side of my helmet,” Miller said. “Growing up in Dallas, all my life I've never ever lived anywhere else. So of course I'm a big Cowboys fan. Our game room at my house is fully dedicated to the Cowboys. From Roger Staubach to Troy Aikman to Emmitt Smith to Michael Irvin, all those guys. We've got a Ring of Honor just in our game room at home."

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andyjens89 wrote:

"I always saw myself with a blue star on the side of my helmet,” Miller said. “Growing up in Dallas, all my life I've never ever lived anywhere else. So of course I'm a big Cowboys fan. Our game room at my house is fully dedicated to the Cowboys. From Roger Staubach to Troy Aikman to Emmitt Smith to Michael Irvin, all those guys. We've got a Ring of Honor just in our game room at home."

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I'm sure he could be converted to being a Redskins fan. After all, no Cowboys fan has an ounce of dignity left in them, so none of them have any trouble becoming fans of any other team.

That's a quite pukeworthy quote though.