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Hey guys I just came accross this article about the tirds going after haynesworthless because they hired his old DLine coach from the Titans. They bad mouth us left and right when we signed him and still do, but a lot of them are saying to give him whatever he wants if released. We can't just release this guy we have to trade him and somewhere in the AFC preferably as long as it's not in the division. Anyways here's the link, but make sure you check out the comments the tird fans post I swear besides the Bears fan base(I used to live in Bear country) there is no more ignorant dumb neanderthal like fans than tird fans and I've only interacted with them on the i-net.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dnea ... agles.html

We need to trade him outside the division. There is no benefit in giving a guy, who's pissed off at us, an opportunity to play us twice a year.

Trade him to Canada!!

Package him and Donovan and send them to Tennessee for whatever picks you can get

Can we please show a little respect and stop calling the man Fat Al? Albert maintains that he is simply "big boned", and that it's "all muscle". His cardiovascular conditioning is almost as good as Donovan McNabb's, and his large size is mainly the result of an unusual side effect brought about by excessive use of bifidus digestivum.

TimSkin wrote:Hey guys I just came accross this article about the tirds going after haynesworthless because they hired his old DLine coach from the Titans. They bad mouth us left and right when we signed him and still do, but a lot of them are saying to give him whatever he wants if released. We can't just release this guy we have to trade him and somewhere in the AFC preferably as long as it's not in the division. Anyways here's the link, but make sure you check out the comments the tird fans post I swear besides the Bears fan base(I used to live in Bear country) there is no more ignorant dumb neanderthal like fans than tird fans and I've only interacted with them on the i-net.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dnea ... agles.html

Let me humbly offer the Eagles the best of luck and every success on this particular endeavor. I'm pulling for you, Philly fans!

Am I the only one who thinks Fat AL is good for us if he's wearing green? He will take up a lot of cap room and he'll only be good for a few plays a game anyway. Plus imagine what he will do to that locker room when he is "not used to the best of his (dis) Ability"

PMG12569 wrote:Package him and Donovan and send them to Tennessee for whatever picks you can get

PMG that is actually a GREAT idea! They need a QB, we'll be trading outside of the conference but the ONLY problem is what's in this thread; the dude that coached him is now in filly, will Fischer take on Fat Al without him?

I could care less where he plays - he's his own worst enemy - he's not near as good as he thinks he is anymore

I also do not think that the DC in Philly is going to be exactly hoping to be "re-united" with that fat slob anyway - he knows the fat man's real "worth"

Say what you want about this ignorant fanbase of the Eagles, but the same cannot be said of their front office. They have a handle on things, and are certainly not going to use the same criteria in evaluating "Big Boned (al) Bert as the idiots who populate their stadium seats.

They will not be approaching Haynesworth, nor the 'skins... nor would our front office likely consider that option without a VERY sweet deal on the table...

frankcal20 wrote:We need to trade him outside the division. There is no benefit in giving a guy, who's pissed off at us, an opportunity to play us twice a year.

Nothing motivated him when he played for us. He's not so "bitter' a person anyway as a self absorbed one. He also doesn't work hard enough that he's going to have a long career. And they are stuck with him the other 14 games. I say do it in a heartbeat. Maybe we offer them him for our McNabb picks back...

frankcal20 wrote:We need to trade him outside the division. There is no benefit in giving a guy, who's pissed off at us, an opportunity to play us twice a year.

Agreed. He has proven that when he is motivated he is a beast. Even if he isn't motivated the other 14 games he will be really motivated to have a great game vs us. Plus, a motivated, pissed off Haynesworth vs. Rabach is a terrible matchup.

Washburn was not hired as DC so fat (oh, did I say "fat") chance the Eagles hire a DC that is willing to build the D around Haynesworth. I don't see that being Reid's style to build anything for one player. A Haynesworth who is not allowed to freelance is not worth it.

IF the Eagles want to make a play for Haynesworth that is good news for us because it make at least three potential suitors

The Lions - Suh is talking up Haynesworth http://www.freep.com/article/20110116/S ... rth-a-plug
The Titans - Fischer is crazy enough to let Hynesworth Freelance again in their D.

The more teams seem to show interest the better the chances of a trade.

Here's the surprise deal. We are all getting a picture of how Shanny operates. Shanny just might be hell bent on breaking Haynesworth. The only way Haynesworth leaves the Skins is by trade or paying a lot of money back. Shanny will let him rot and you can bet this time they document everytime he fails to obey a directive. Haynesworth was frustrated that he wasn't playing much last year. He ain't seen frustration yet. NO WAY Shanny outright releases Haynesworth to be picked up by anybody especially Philly, Dallas and the Giants. Haynesworth will either play where he is told and learn to play well or be inactivated and then suspended again for the final four games for insubordination that is documented. He can collect his money and watch highlights of his two "All Pro" seasons as his career goes down the drain. I wouldn't put it past Shanny to do just that. I am going to hope hard for a trade because, I do not want to this scenario to happen.

Oh! please let this happen - I almost can't stand the anticipation - ground his fat ass, PLEASE



I do think that we'll find a way to be rid of this fat slob but I doubt very much that it will be within the division - Even so - I don't think that he's going to be able to just turn it on when he plays against us, just to spite the Redskins - that takes a lot more skill set than he's shown EVER

He could get another chance but I DO NOT think that Haynesworth has what it takes to push himself to be a really good player again - you can't just turn it on and off at this level and he's NOT shown any sort of drive the last 2 years




IMO - Haynesworth's current best position on a football field is lying on the ground, watching the players go by him

SkinsJock wrote:

I do think that we'll find a way to be rid of this fat slob but I doubt very much that it will be within the division - Even so - I don't think that he's going to be able to just turn it on when he plays against us, just to spite the Redskins - that takes a lot more skill set than he's shown EVER

SkinsJock, turning it on and off is Haynesworth's MO. When he gets fired up (yes, he will be fired uo against us) and he is given the green light to get the QB and not worry about anything else (he has to be used correctly), Hayneworth has proven he can be very disruptive to a game plan especially against undersized O linemen (See Redskin/Bears 2010 game). right now, we have undersized O linemen.

that takes a lot more skill set than he's shown EVER

You are right on here. According to Shanahan and Jim Washburn, Albert is a poor technique DT. He has no skill. That is why the only way, Albert can be successfull is to let him freelance. Let's also not forget, even without the freelance, he makes his teammates better - Orakpo and Carter had a combined 22 sacks - one of the best DE tandems in the league that year. So there is reason, Shanny does not want him falling into Jim Washburn's hands. I doubt if the Eagles would build their D around him, but they will certainly find ways to use him to disrupt other teams' weaknesses like we did against the Bears.

Can Haynesworth be neutralized? Of course! See Lions/Redskins 2009 when Jim Schwartz gamed planned to run right at Albert. The Lions gashed us for nearly 200 yards rushing and included a 99 yard TD drive to boot. Also, see Andre Gurode, Dallas center who got stomped by Albert in 2006. Gurode was wiping the field with him. Ram's 2009 center Jason Brown:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... jason.html

Kevin Mawae, his former teammate:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... aynes.html

He could get another chance but I DO NOT think that Haynesworth has what it takes to push himself to be a really good player again

You are so right here. "Carrot and Stick" is the only way to motivate this guy. He has the money, so we have only one incentive for him and that is sayiing if you want to play football then you better do as I say, otherwise, you will rot on the inactive list. Albert says last season was his worst ever. He can't handle the potential for one even worst than that.

IMO - Haynesworth's current best position on a football field is lying on the ground, watching the players go by him

That is a good position for him, but here's one better, standing on the sidelines (pouting) in inactive gear watching the players go by him.

Justice Hog wrote:Trade him to Canada!!

Given that Haynesworth is as flawed a character as he has here been relentlessly portrayed, it is still consummately true that he and the Skins' D was blatantly and irresponsibily managed last year. There is no doubt in my mind that if he manages to join a better coached team that team will markedly improve and he'll have a fine season. He'll join a long list of players--headed by Jason Taylor and Brandon Lloyd-- whom we've failed to use correctly and have gone on to glory. Face it, we're idiots and the beat goes on. It's not our acquistions that have caused us so much damage, it's simply that we've consistently failed to use them with any sense or direction. McNabb will make a comeback too.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

Justice Hog wrote:Trade him to Canada!!

Given that Haynesworth is as flawed a character as he has here been relentlessly portrayed, it is still consummately true that he and the Skins' D was blatantly and irresponsibily managed last year. There is no doubt in my mind that if he manages to join a better coached team that team will markedly improve and he'll have a fine season. He'll join a long list of players--headed by Jason Taylor and Brandon Lloyd-- whom we've failed to use correctly and have gone on to glory. Face it, we're idiots and the beat goes on. It's not our acquistions that have caused us so much damage, it's simply that we've consistently failed to use them with any sense or direction. McNabb will make a comeback too.

The flaw is not that we failed to use players correctly. The flaw is acquiring players that do not fit the system. Case in point - Synder talked Blache out of retirement and begged him to be the DC. Blache is a system guy with no room for change. Blache was not consulted about acquiring Albert. With Jason Taylor, they didn't ask him if he needed Taylor - he didn't. It took five years for Washburn to give in to Haynesworth. You can't fault Blache who knew he was retiring to make changes in two years. The Skins were warned about Lloyd's personality problems, they didn't listen. What about the Bears, CH? Ron Turner, OC of the Bears, Lloyd own college coach couldn't coach him up. That's two teams that couldn't get anything out of him. Lloyd is a bad example of what you are trying to prove. Lloyd is an example of a talented guy who on his last leg, finally, gets it and plays to his ability. The D was not mismanaged. Shanny decided to go with a 3-4 without the proper personnel. It was a long range decision. Sure, we might have won one or two more games, with a 4-3 (DON'T forget we had a 4-3 with Haynesworth last year and finished 4-12) but we would still be out of the play-offs and without the lessons learned for next year. Should we have changed to the 3-4? I am with you, if you say no, but that is a food for thought discussion. Like it or not, the 3-4 is here to stay. Our undermanned 3-4 held 9 opponents to 17 points or less. Imagine what they will do this year with just a few key additions. McNabb? I agree with you can still play. Though, he won't admit it, he was hurt last year. Look at his game by game stats, you will notice that he stopped scrambling after the Lions game.
http://www.nfl.com/players/donovanmcnab ... =MCN017517
BUT, the injury does not excuse all of McNabb's Stinkin' performance. Mark Schlereth said on the FAN 106.7 on Firday morning that his firend, McNabb stunk it up. Mark reviewed several hours of tape of McNabb. Conclusion - He stunk it up. Once again, this was a case of a player acquired who didn't fit the system. Did Shanahan make a mistake in acquiring McNabb. YES! Big and costly mistake and now we don't have a legit starter at QB. Shanny and Kyle need to sit down with McNabb and at least for now, fit the O to McNabb because we need him and he needs us. Give him an O line and allow him to improvise and we will see a serviceable McNabb. Notice, I say serviceable. McNabb is only here to hold the fort until that young QB Shanny is looking for emerges.

Trade him to TN for Young.

Vince Young -- NO freaking way he fits, no way. I wouldn't take him on the SKins.

Heck no man I would still take McNugget over Young......We don't need anymore headcases McNabb is just the opposite most guys that started the whole year and have had a career like him would turn into divas like Favre but he supported his team and his backup unlike Fat Al.

Countertrey wrote:Say what you want about this ignorant fanbase of the Eagles, but the same cannot be said of their front office. They have a handle on things, and are certainly not going to use the same criteria in evaluating "Big Boned (al) Bert as the idiots who populate their stadium seats.

Well put - I agree completely. All of this talk about trading Haynesworth or McNabb just seems like a pipe dream to me. The fact is that we have two old, overpriced players who hurt their reputations with either poor play or shenanigans or both last season.

I hope I'm wrong and the Skins are able to pull of some kind of deal, but its hard to imagine how that happens.

riggofan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Say what you want about this ignorant fanbase of the Eagles, but the same cannot be said of their front office. They have a handle on things, and are certainly not going to use the same criteria in evaluating "Big Boned (al) Bert as the idiots who populate their stadium seats.

Well put - I agree completely. All of this talk about trading Haynesworth or McNabb just seems like a pipe dream to me. The fact is that we have two old, overpriced players who hurt their reputations with either poor play or shenanigans or both last season.

I hope I'm wrong and the Skins are able to pull of some kind of deal, but its hard to imagine how that happens.

It just might be a pipe dream for Haynesworth. Teams will be betting that we release him. Shanny will not unless Haynesworth pays back some money. Only Detroit, Tenn., and the Eagles would be interested in a trade and they won't won't to give up much (See last season's trade talk: "The Washington Redskins weren't interested in trading disgruntled defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth back to the Titans, coach Jeff Fisher said Tuesday").

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... isher-says

McNabb? your dream might come true. Keep an eye on Brad Childress as he interviews with teams for OC. If he lands with a team in need of a veteran QB - we have one that knows his O.

They cannot cut Haynesworth if he is going to sign with the Eagles. It would be a nightmare.

cleg wrote:They cannot cut Haynesworth if he is going to sign with the Eagles. It would be a nightmare.

For the Eagles...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

cleg wrote:They cannot cut Haynesworth if he is going to sign with the Eagles. It would be a nightmare.

For the Eagles...

BUT - the Eagles have signed the Haynesworth Tamer/Handler (Washburn) who knows how soothe, I mean "carrot and stick" the beast into a role that fits the Eagles. In the first Eagle game, Haynesworth was very effective, the Eagles took note of that. They wouldn't have to play him every down especially on running downs where he sucks. Also, they wouldn't have to worry about him not playing the whole season since he wouldn't be an every down player. He also wouldn't be gassed all the time. We were paying Albert too much to be a role player, but the Eagles would not have to break the bank to sign him so they would be able to afford him being just a role player. Sure there would be other teams crazy enough to throw more money at Haynesworth, but Haynesworth would probably turn it down to marry up with his Handler and get to play us twice a year. All the Eagles would have to do is juice up his contract with all kinds of carrots, I mean perfromance incentives and TA DAAA, an effective Albert that gets to accomplish HIS goals and play HIS way and still help the team accomplish it's goals. Albert excels against smallish O lines, which is what we will have. If Albert isn't traded, Shanny is NOT going to cut Albert. Albert will either give money back (not likely), decide to play Shanny ball (less likely), rot in Shanahan hell (most likely). We fans, are tired of the Haynesworth circus. Did Shanny give any indication that he is tired of it? Do you think that Danny wants to let Albert walk out of here with his millions scot free? Buckle up fellow Redskins fans, Shanny is going to saddle up this beast for another ride.