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I had a feeling that the Seahawks were PEAKING and that they would beat the Saints. 7-9 is still alive in playoffs.

Call Vegas....tell them I want my money.

If they were peeking, maybe they'll get fined like the Patriots.

Irn-Bru wrote:If they were peeking, maybe they'll get fined like the Patriots.

Haha...you're right, wrong word and I changed it to PEAKING.

I hate games like this. The SB champs get taken out of the playoffs by a team that doesn't even deserve to be there IMO. A 7-9 team doesn't belong in the playoffs (let alone hosting a home game) when there were two other NFC teams with 10-6 records that didn't make the post season. Today was just a waste of time because the Seahawks don't have a chance in hell of making it to the SB (the Saints did).

Enough with my rant about the NFL's ridiculous rules about which teams get into the playoffs. What the hell was wrong with the Saints defense today? That's the worst I've seen them play all of this season and last season. They made the Seahawks offense look like last year's Saints offense, which we all know they aren't even close to that. The Saints D all looked like they had their heads up their butts. I don't know if that's on Greg Williams, or the players, but if I were Sean Payton, heads would be rolling in that post game locker room. There's no excuse for play that poor on the defensive side of the ball....

Call Vegas and put your money on the Hawks.... You will win big.

They're gonna shock the world.....

It is simple - win your division and you deserve to be in the playoffs. The Saints did not win their division and the Seahawks did so they host the game. The Saints are the ones who were unprepared and have no one to blame but themselves.

Would you have complained if this was March Madness and the Seahawks were the 15th Seed and beat the number 2 seed? I think it is great - my only fear is that the lose of the Saints make it a little easier for the Eagles if they go on a run.

grampi wrote:I hate games like this. The SB champs get taken out of the playoffs by a team that doesn't even deserve to be there IMO. A 7-9 team doesn't belong in the playoffs (let alone hosting a home game) when there were two other NFC teams with 10-6 records that didn't make the post season. Today was just a waste of time because the Seahawks don't have a chance in hell of making it to the SB (the Saints did).

Enough with my rant about the NFL's ridiculous rules about which teams get into the playoffs. What the hell was wrong with the Saints defense today? That's the worst I've seen them play all of this season and last season. They made the Seahawks offense look like last year's Saints offense, which we all know they aren't even close to that. The Saints D all looked like they had their heads up their butts. I don't know if that's on Greg Williams, or the players, but if I were Sean Payton, heads would be rolling in that post game locker room. There's no excuse for play that poor on the defensive side of the ball....

If the Saints had a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl, then why couldn't they beat a team with a losing record?

Irn-Bru wrote:

grampi wrote:I hate games like this. The SB champs get taken out of the playoffs by a team that doesn't even deserve to be there IMO. A 7-9 team doesn't belong in the playoffs (let alone hosting a home game) when there were two other NFC teams with 10-6 records that didn't make the post season. Today was just a waste of time because the Seahawks don't have a chance in hell of making it to the SB (the Saints did).

Enough with my rant about the NFL's ridiculous rules about which teams get into the playoffs. What the hell was wrong with the Saints defense today? That's the worst I've seen them play all of this season and last season. They made the Seahawks offense look like last year's Saints offense, which we all know they aren't even close to that. The Saints D all looked like they had their heads up their butts. I don't know if that's on Greg Williams, or the players, but if I were Sean Payton, heads would be rolling in that post game locker room. There's no excuse for play that poor on the defensive side of the ball....

If the Saints had a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl, then why couldn't they beat a team with a losing record?

Obviously, the Saints defense was ill-prepared for this game. This game was proof ANY team can beat ANY team ONCE. Was it a fluke? If the Seahawks make it to the SB, then no. If they lose their next game, yes I believe it was a fluke. BTW, I think the rules need to be changed to detrmine which teams go the the playoffs. The teams with best records should go, division winners or not. It's dumber than a dirt sandwich to have a 7-9 team in the playoffs when two 10-6 teams are not. Why reward a less than mediocre team with a playoff birth simply because they're in a weak division?

grampi wrote:It's dumber than a dirt sandwich to have a 7-9 team in the playoffs when two 10-6 teams are not. Why reward a less than mediocre team with a playoff birth simply because they're in a weak division?

If you have one of the top four records in your conference, you are in the playoffs, period. If you're beyond that, what difference does it really make whether you make it or not?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

grampi wrote:It's dumber than a dirt sandwich to have a 7-9 team in the playoffs when two 10-6 teams are not. Why reward a less than mediocre team with a playoff birth simply because they're in a weak division?

If you have one of the top four records in your conference, you are in the playoffs, period. If you're beyond that, what difference does it really make whether you make it or not?

So you're saying the wildcard teams don't matter?

Irn-Bru wrote:

grampi wrote:I hate games like this. The SB champs get taken out of the playoffs by a team that doesn't even deserve to be there IMO. A 7-9 team doesn't belong in the playoffs (let alone hosting a home game) when there were two other NFC teams with 10-6 records that didn't make the post season. Today was just a waste of time because the Seahawks don't have a chance in hell of making it to the SB (the Saints did).

Enough with my rant about the NFL's ridiculous rules about which teams get into the playoffs. What the hell was wrong with the Saints defense today? That's the worst I've seen them play all of this season and last season. They made the Seahawks offense look like last year's Saints offense, which we all know they aren't even close to that. The Saints D all looked like they had their heads up their butts. I don't know if that's on Greg Williams, or the players, but if I were Sean Payton, heads would be rolling in that post game locker room. There's no excuse for play that poor on the defensive side of the ball....

If the Saints had a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl, then why couldn't they beat a team with a losing record?

why....? Any Given Sunday...!!!

grampi wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

grampi wrote:It's dumber than a dirt sandwich to have a 7-9 team in the playoffs when two 10-6 teams are not. Why reward a less than mediocre team with a playoff birth simply because they're in a weak division?

If you have one of the top four records in your conference, you are in the playoffs, period. If you're beyond that, what difference does it really make whether you make it or not?

So you're saying the wildcard teams don't matter?

Hmm...I'm saying if you are in the top four, you go. That is earning it. Beyond that it's dubious anyway. So if you want to be sure you go, be in the top four. If you're marginal, you may or may not make it. That's sports.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

grampi wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

grampi wrote:It's dumber than a dirt sandwich to have a 7-9 team in the playoffs when two 10-6 teams are not. Why reward a less than mediocre team with a playoff birth simply because they're in a weak division?

If you have one of the top four records in your conference, you are in the playoffs, period. If you're beyond that, what difference does it really make whether you make it or not?

So you're saying the wildcard teams don't matter?

Hmm...I'm saying if you are in the top four, you go. That is earning it. Beyond that it's dubious anyway. So if you want to be sure you go, be in the top four. If you're marginal, you may or may not make it. That's sports.

That's the dumbest way I've ever heard anyone look at it. You're saying the two wildcard teams from each conference don't matter. Tell that to the teams that made the playoffs as wildcard teams and ended up winning the SB.

grampi wrote:[Obviously, the Saints defense was ill-prepared for this game.

Ah, so they (or their fans) have no business whining about how a "legit" SB contender got knocked out by an undeserving team.

Problem solved.

grampi wrote:That's the dumbest way I've ever heard anyone look at it. You're saying the two wildcard teams from each conference don't matter. Tell that to the teams that made the playoffs as wildcard teams and ended up winning the SB.

Um...I didn't say that, it was the imaginary voices in your head. I realize we can be hard to tell apart at times...

I said the best four teams go, after that you may or may not get on. OMG, the 8th best team didn't get in!!!!! I'm trying to care, sorry, nothing. As for the voices in your head

drive off the road, grampi. Drive off the road...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

grampi wrote:That's the dumbest way I've ever heard anyone look at it. You're saying the two wildcard teams from each conference don't matter. Tell that to the teams that made the playoffs as wildcard teams and ended up winning the SB.

Um...I didn't say that, it was the imaginary voices in your head. I realize we can be hard to tell apart at times...

I said the best four teams go, after that you may or may not get on. OMG, the 8th best team didn't get in!!!!! I'm trying to care, sorry, nothing. As for the voices in your head

drive off the road, grampi. Drive off the road...

You are just...wierd....

grampi wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

grampi wrote:That's the dumbest way I've ever heard anyone look at it. You're saying the two wildcard teams from each conference don't matter. Tell that to the teams that made the playoffs as wildcard teams and ended up winning the SB.

Um...I didn't say that, it was the imaginary voices in your head. I realize we can be hard to tell apart at times...

I said the best four teams go, after that you may or may not get on. OMG, the 8th best team didn't get in!!!!! I'm trying to care, sorry, nothing. As for the voices in your head

drive off the road, grampi. Drive off the road...

You are just...wierd....

Please, I'm not just weird

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

grampi wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

grampi wrote:That's the dumbest way I've ever heard anyone look at it. You're saying the two wildcard teams from each conference don't matter. Tell that to the teams that made the playoffs as wildcard teams and ended up winning the SB.

Um...I didn't say that, it was the imaginary voices in your head. I realize we can be hard to tell apart at times...

I said the best four teams go, after that you may or may not get on. OMG, the 8th best team didn't get in!!!!! I'm trying to care, sorry, nothing. As for the voices in your head

drive off the road, grampi. Drive off the road...

You are just...wierd....

Please, I'm not just weird

True, you often make no sense too...

I think the real problem is that fewer than half the games are division games. It was a mistake to go to 32 teams and 16 games. With six 5-team divisions and 14 games, 8 of 14 games are in division and it was almost impossible to be a division winner with a sub-.500 record. It's even difficult with 16 games. What will be truly horrible is 18 games with only 6 being division games. It's conceiveable a team could sweep their division and go 6-12. Brian Billick actually called this after the 8 division realignment. I'm looking for a way to have 9 division games - a home & home against each of your 3 rivals and a neutral-field game.

18 games worries me. Maybe we should go to 2 divisions per conference and have 14 division games!! The the division winners could get byes and the next 4 best records could be wild cards!

Never happen. 18 is bad.

DarthMonk

grampi wrote:I hate games like this. The SB champs get taken out of the playoffs by a team that doesn't even deserve to be there IMO. A 7-9 team doesn't belong in the playoffs (let alone hosting a home game) when there were two other NFC teams with 10-6 records that didn't make the post season. Today was just a waste of time because the Seahawks don't have a chance in hell of making it to the SB (the Saints did).

Enough with my rant about the NFL's ridiculous rules about which teams get into the playoffs. What the hell was wrong with the Saints defense today? That's the worst I've seen them play all of this season and last season. They made the Seahawks offense look like last year's Saints offense, which we all know they aren't even close to that. The Saints D all looked like they had their heads up their butts. I don't know if that's on Greg Williams, or the players, but if I were Sean Payton, heads would be rolling in that post game locker room. There's no excuse for play that poor on the defensive side of the ball....

I think the real problem is that fewer than half the games are division games. It was a mistake to go to 32 teams and 16 games. With six 5-team divisions and 14 games, 8 of 14 games are in division and it was almost impossible to be a division winner with a sub-.500 record. It's even difficult with 16 games. What will be truly horrible is 18 games with only 6 being division games. It's conceiveable a team could sweep their division and go 6-12. Brian Billick actually called this after the 8 division realignment. I'm looking for a way to have 9 division games - a home & home against each of your 3 rivals and a neutral-field game.

18 games worries me. Maybe we should go to 2 divisions per conference and have 14 division games!! The the division winners could get byes and the next 4 best records could be wild cards!

Never happen. 18 is bad.

DarthMonk

grampi wrote:I hate games like this. The SB champs get taken out of the playoffs by a team that doesn't even deserve to be there IMO. A 7-9 team doesn't belong in the playoffs (let alone hosting a home game) when there were two other NFC teams with 10-6 records that didn't make the post season. Today was just a waste of time because the Seahawks don't have a chance in hell of making it to the SB (the Saints did).

Enough with my rant about the NFL's ridiculous rules about which teams get into the playoffs. What the hell was wrong with the Saints defense today? That's the worst I've seen them play all of this season and last season. They made the Seahawks offense look like last year's Saints offense, which we all know they aren't even close to that. The Saints D all looked like they had their heads up their butts. I don't know if that's on Greg Williams, or the players, but if I were Sean Payton, heads would be rolling in that post game locker room. There's no excuse for play that poor on the defensive side of the ball....

Not to mention that there are 4 cross-conference games for every team each season. That further dilutes the W-L record as an indicator of the strength of a team in the NFC or AFC.

grampi wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

grampi wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

grampi wrote:That's the dumbest way I've ever heard anyone look at it. You're saying the two wildcard teams from each conference don't matter. Tell that to the teams that made the playoffs as wildcard teams and ended up winning the SB.

Um...I didn't say that, it was the imaginary voices in your head. I realize we can be hard to tell apart at times...

I said the best four teams go, after that you may or may not get on. OMG, the 8th best team didn't get in!!!!! I'm trying to care, sorry, nothing. As for the voices in your head

drive off the road, grampi. Drive off the road...

You are just...wierd....

Please, I'm not just weird

True, you often make no sense too...

I'm also very insensitive

DarthMonk wrote:What will be truly horrible is 18 games with only 6 being division games. It's conceiveable a team could sweep their division and go 6-12. Brian Billick actually called this after the 8 division realignment. I'm looking for a way to have 9 division games - a home & home against each of your 3 rivals and a neutral-field game.

18 games worries me. Maybe we should go to 2 divisions per conference and have 14 division games!! The the division winners could get byes and the next 4 best records could be wild cards!

Never happen. 18 is bad.

DarthMonk

I don't really see why that's an issue. The top 3 teams are going to the playoffs even if they are in the same division. After that there is no perfect system. If you're a top team, you go, if you're a second tier, you know the rules (division, wild card etc.). There is not perfect way to pick the 6 best. So don't worry about it. I don't think having each conference be one division so the top 6 go is perfect either. The divisions add to fan interest.

I don't have a problem with the current NFL playoff scenario - Seattle won their division - they get to host a game - Seattle did not get lucky, they dis what they had to do to win - the players executed what the coaches thought would work on one hand and did not on the other - that's what happens in the NFL

The team that plays better together ALWAYS beats teams that don't

I understand not wanting to see a weak team make the play-offs, but after seeing Seattle knock off New Orleans you'd either have to say that Seattle was better than their record suggests or New Orleans was worse than theirs.

My money was on New Orleans since that whole division faced push-over teams. They only played six games featuring opponents with winning records and four of those games were division opponents.

Some of the mighty teams they faced were 49ers, Browns, Bengals, Rams, Cardinals, Vikings, Cowboys and yes, the Seahwaks in regular season.

Their toughest non-divisional opponents were the Ravens and Steelers

Not saying that the 'Hawks had it all that tough either but they faced eight opponents with winning records not a one of them from their division. These included the Buccaneers, Falcons, Chiefs, Saints, Giants, Raiders (yeah, I know 8-8 is kinda sketchy as a "winning record"), Bears, and Chargers.

Seattle may have made it in because they had a weak division, but New Orleans made it in because they had a weak season.