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Sarah was on Hannity last week. She's getting to be a much better speaker. Of course it was on a friendly field with a fellow Conservative. My biggest concerns with her are still not addressed though. She did a good thing in taking up the Tea Party cause, but is her Tea Party belief genuine? My concerns:

1) Running with McCain. In theory I would say it's good to counter a big government spender on the top of the ticket with a true conservative running mate. But Cheney, who spent a career as a well respected small government conservative not only had zero impact on Bush but took up his big government spending cause and pushed it as his own. A complete disappointment.

2) Her Alaska governor's resignation speech was very disappointing to me. I wanted a Reagan I'm off to fight for the people to get the government out of their way speech. What I got sounded like an actress after a big movie talking about her next project. Reagan was always about the people, she was about Palin.

3) Back to McCain, supporting him for Senate in his re-election campaign. She may appreciate him personally for tapping her as his running mate, but I see no way a genuine small government conservative could ever support him.

She seems to have honed her ability to deliver her message. Now she needs to start working on her credibility in believing it.

Palin is a tool that is worried about lining her pockets with cash while laughing at the tea baggers on the way to the bank.

Palin would have done well to have remained silent and been thought a fool as opposed to speaking and removing all doubt. Her political future is a bridge to nowhere.

Watch it there buddy......she may just get you "locked" in her rifle sights and pull the trigger...!!!

Cappster wrote:Palin is a tool that is worried about lining her pockets with cash while laughing at the tea baggers on the way to the bank.

What are you referring to with Sarah Palin?

It's ironic that I used to think of you as the only real moderate on the site, but you've moved solidly left while the country has been questioning their leftward tact. I'm curious what about the left's agenda you've connected with, Cappster

TCIYM wrote:Palin would have done well to have remained silent and been thought a fool as opposed to speaking and removing all doubt. Her political future is a bridge to nowhere.

What did she say you found foolish? Also, if you're going to quote Twain it's a best practice best to cite him

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

TCIYM wrote:Palin would have done well to have remained silent and been thought a fool as opposed to speaking and removing all doubt. Her political future is a bridge to nowhere.

What did she say you found foolish? Also, if you're going to quote Twain it's a best practice best to cite him

Who is quoting Twain?

BTN

As for the foolish things Palin has said, how about a (partial) list?

“Nuclear weaponry, of course, would be the be-all, end-all of just too many people in too many parts of our planet.” -- CBS interview with Katie Couric, September 25, 2008

"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where – where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border."
-- CBS interview with Katie Couric, September 25, 2008

"So we discussed what was going on in Africa. And never, ever did I talk about, Well, gee, is it a country or is it a continent, I just don't know about this issue."
-- Fox interview with Greta Van Susteren, November 11, 2008

“I don’t know if I should Buenos Aires or Bonjour, or… this is such a melting pot. This is beautiful. I love the diversity. Yeah. There were a whole bunch of guys named Tony in the photo line, I know that.”
-- Addressing a Charity of Hope gathering, Hamilton, Ontario, April 15, 2010

“Obviously we loved sports, and the baby was born during the spring track season.”
--Going Rogue

“Believe it or not – this was in the 60s – we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse…. Isn’t that kind of ironic now. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada.”
-- Speech in Calgary, Alberta, March 6, 2010

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
-- Facebook, Aug. 7, 2009

"When the American people elected President Obama they gave him responsibility to handle this disaster. He promised to “heal the earth, and watch the waters recede...” or something far-fetched like that."
-- On the oil spill, May 27, 2010

“I didn’t believe the theory that human beings – thinking, loving beings – originated from fish that sprouted legs and crawled out of the sea. Or that human beings began as single-celled organisms that developed into monkeys who eventually swung down from the trees.”
--Going Rogue

“With the gray Talkeetna Mountains in the distance and the first light covering of snow about to descend on Pioneer Peak, I breathed in an autumn bouquet that combined everything small-town America with rugged splashes of the Last Frontier.”
--Going Rogue

"I think it's appalling and a violation of our freedom of the press."
—On negative media coverage of Republican congressional candidate Vaughn Ward, Boise, Idaho, May 21, 2010

"Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate."
—On plans to build an Islamic community center near Ground Zero, via Twitter, July 18, 2010

"'Refudiate,' 'misunderestimate,' 'wee-wee'd up.' English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!"
—Tweet, July 18, 2010

"I'm not politically correct. I am not one to be a word police."
-- Fox interview with Chris Wallace Feb. 7 , 2010

"I didn't really had a good answer, as so often -- is me."
--On writing notes on her hand for the Tea Party convention address, March 5, 2010

TCIYM wrote:Who is quoting Twain?

Mark Twain: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

TCIYM: "Palin would have done well to have remained silent and been thought a fool as opposed to speaking and removing all doubt"

See any similarities between the quotes?

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On Palin, these quotes are pretty in line with what you could come up with for most politicians if you scoured every speech and interview. And they are nothing compared to the moronic musings of Al Gore, John Kerry or Joe Biden. Do you jump in with such extreme statements when their names are brought up?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

TCIYM wrote:Who is quoting Twain?

Mark Twain: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

TCIYM: "Palin would have done well to have remained silent and been thought a fool as opposed to speaking and removing all doubt"

See any similarities between the quotes?

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On Palin, these quotes are pretty in line with what you could come up with for most politicians if you scoured every speech and interview. And they are nothing compared to the moronic musings of Al Gore, John Kerry or Joe Biden. Do you jump in with such extreme statements when their names are brought up?

Actually, the paraphrase is from Solomon's Proverbs, although the quote mentioned is often attributed to Abraham Lincoln and Ben Franklin and Mark Twain and others.

Witrh regards to the second, this thread is about Palin. But, yes, I believe all politicians are equally "moronic", as it was termed.

TCIYM wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

TCIYM wrote:Who is quoting Twain?

Mark Twain: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

TCIYM: "Palin would have done well to have remained silent and been thought a fool as opposed to speaking and removing all doubt"

See any similarities between the quotes?

------------------

On Palin, these quotes are pretty in line with what you could come up with for most politicians if you scoured every speech and interview. And they are nothing compared to the moronic musings of Al Gore, John Kerry or Joe Biden. Do you jump in with such extreme statements when their names are brought up?

Actually, the paraphrase is from Solomon's Proverbs, although the quote mentioned is often attributed to Abraham Lincoln and Ben Franklin and Mark Twain and others.

OK, if you're going to quote Solomon or Abraham Lincoln it's best to cite your source...

TCIYM wrote:Witrh regards to the second, this thread is about Palin. But, yes, I believe all politicians are equally "moronic", as it was termed.

Fair enough. But you jumped in with such ire as soon as her name came up. My question was also if you do that when imbeciles like Gore, Kerry or Biden are brought up. Those three absolutely bury her in any contest of stupid quotes, which is the issue you said you have with her.

This is the actual proverb:

Even a fool, when he holdeth his
peace, is counted wise: and he
that shutteth his lips is esteemed
a man of understanding.
- Proverbs 17:28

Cited. Can we move on now?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:Palin is a tool that is worried about lining her pockets with cash while laughing at the tea baggers on the way to the bank.

What are you referring to with Sarah Palin?

It's ironic that I used to think of you as the only real moderate on the site, but you've moved solidly left while the country has been questioning their leftward tact. I'm curious what about the left's agenda you've connected with, Cappster

I am referring to the way she has been milking the people who believe what she says to make $$$$. I feel like she is using people for her own monetary gain by spewing her rhetoric to people with questionable intelligence. I can't really blame her for making money, but I do not agree with the method she is using to go about making her money. I mean, she did quite being Governor of Alaska to seek greener $$$$ pastures. I guess you could say that I am not only disenchanted by her, but all politicians in general.

And how are my views now liberal? Just because I don't agree with the tea party movement doesn't mean that I am a leftist thinking individual. I look at each issue individually with full disregard of which party supports my viewpoint.

Cappster wrote:I am referring to the way she has been milking the people who believe what she says to make $$$$. I feel like she is using people for her own monetary gain by spewing her rhetoric to people with questionable intelligence. I can't really blame her for making money, but I do not agree with the method she is using to go about making her money

What are you basing it on that she's doing that?

Cappster wrote:And how are my views now liberal? Just because I don't agree with the tea party movement doesn't mean that I am a leftist thinking individual. I look at each issue individually with full disregard of which party supports my viewpoint.

I guess it's just my perception. The Tea Party is the only major group today who are fighting for the people against oppressive government. Yet you keep calling them stupid and ignorant. Both parties are supporting unending growth in government, I don't see you jumping into anything there passionately attacking that. What is ignorant about thinking government needs to actually be limited?

TCIYM wrote:This is the actual proverb:

Even a fool, when he holdeth his
peace, is counted wise: and he
that shutteth his lips is esteemed
a man of understanding.
- Proverbs 17:28

Cited. Can we move on now?

OK

So kill the pres?



..but some blacks don't really care for Obama either..



..but no, there's no racists in the midst.. right?



..BLOODSHED???



The last picture's enough for me.. if this is whats going on in the Tea Party, I want no part of that (I googled Tea Party signs). However let me just say this though friends, no matter WHO is in the office EVERYONE will have an issue regardless of race/creed/color.. the irony... and no, I'm not too fond of Obama either but I'm also the same guy who thinks Bush is a retard but I still support him because he was our leader. Kazzo, I respect you friend, you believe in equal rights to all and all the proper things but not many in your camp do bro... and obviously you can't judge a movement because of some jerks, I can TOTALLY understand that too my friend.

langleyparkjoe wrote:The last picture's enough for me.. if this is whats going on in the Tea Party, I want no part of that (I googled Tea Party signs). However let me just say this though friends, no matter WHO is in the office EVERYONE will have an issue regardless of race/creed/color.. the irony... and no, I'm not too fond of Obama either but I'm also the same guy who thinks Bush is a retard but I still support him because he was our leader. Kazzo, I respect you friend, you believe in equal rights to all and all the proper things but not many in your camp do bro... and obviously you can't judge a movement because of some jerks, I can TOTALLY understand that too my friend.

Langley, this is just the smear campaign against them. It's how far the left will go to get more government. What is whacked out is the belief the path to liberty is through the power of government. But you threaten the feed bag of the lazy and this is how far they will go to attack you. This is not representative at all of the tea party movement. The tea party is about less government and race has nothing to do with it.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:The last picture's enough for me.. if this is whats going on in the Tea Party, I want no part of that (I googled Tea Party signs). However let me just say this though friends, no matter WHO is in the office EVERYONE will have an issue regardless of race/creed/color.. the irony... and no, I'm not too fond of Obama either but I'm also the same guy who thinks Bush is a retard but I still support him because he was our leader. Kazzo, I respect you friend, you believe in equal rights to all and all the proper things but not many in your camp do bro... and obviously you can't judge a movement because of some jerks, I can TOTALLY understand that too my friend.

Langley, this is just the smear campaign against them. It's how far the left will go to get more government. What is whacked out is the belief the path to liberty is through the power of government. But you threaten the feed bag of the lazy and this is how far they will go to attack you. This is not representative at all of the tea party movement. The tea party is about less government and race has nothing to do with it.

True true, what I forgot to add was that every 1 of those I found, I found at least 10 signs that were logical and whitty.

She is obviously being positioned for a Presidential bid in 2012. She'll most likely run as a Republican, though. The Tea Party association is just to lure back those who feel left out by the Rs.


Sigh! It doesn't really matter, though, the candidates from every party just keep getting worse and worse. The denominators just keep getting lowered. I'm surprised you really believe that the people can ever get real representation back at this point.

dup

langleyparkjoe wrote:

kaz wrote:Langley, this is just the smear campaign against them. It's how far the left will go to get more government. What is whacked out is the belief the path to liberty is through the power of government. But you threaten the feed bag of the lazy and this is how far they will go to attack you. This is not representative at all of the tea party movement. The tea party is about less government and race has nothing to do with it.

True true, what I forgot to add was that every 1 of those I found, I found at least 10 signs that were logical and whitty.

Some data...

"About 61 percent of tea party opponents say racism has a lot to do with the movement, a view held by just 7 percent of tea party supporters."

Washington Post wrote:Emily Ekins, a graduate student at UCLA, conducted the survey at the 9/12 Taxpayer March on Washington last month by scouring the crowd, row by row and hour by hour, and taking a picture of every sign she passed.

"Ekins photographed about 250 signs, and more than half of those she saw reflected a "limited government ethos," she found - touching on such topics as the role of government, liberty, taxes, spending, deficit and concern about socialism. Examples ranged from the simple message "$top the $pending" scrawled in black-marker block letters to more elaborate drawings of bar charts, stop signs and one poster with the slogan "Socialism is Legal Theft" and a stick-figure socialist pointing a gun at the head of a taxpayer.

There were uglier messages, too - including "Obama Bin Lyin' - Impeach Now" and "Somewhere in Kenya a Village is Missing its Idiot." But Ekins's analysis showed that only about a quarter of all signs reflected direct anger with Obama. Only 5 percent of the total mentioned the president's race or religion, and slightly more than 1 percent questioned his American citizenship."

The source of this? Some right wing agenda publication? Hardly, the Washington Post. I know you're a fair guy Langley, and this is the reality of not being left in this country. The left's views are front and center every day across the liberal media. If you're right, you're defending yourselves against charges of racism. I'm not saying no racist sees it as an opportunity to get attention. But the media and the Democrats just use them to be the focus. There is no honest debate in this country because the left controls the discussion. That's changing with the new media, but we're not there.

And it works. look how many people when you say "Palin" or "Tea Party" start screaming racist, racist. When asked they say oh, they are politicians. Asked for explanations of why no one else gets that treatment from them, they deflect and drop it without ever answering that. Oh, say in this thread.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:I am referring to the way she has been milking the people who believe what she says to make $$$$. I feel like she is using people for her own monetary gain by spewing her rhetoric to people with questionable intelligence. I can't really blame her for making money, but I do not agree with the method she is using to go about making her money

What are you basing it on that she's doing that?

Cappster wrote:And how are my views now liberal? Just because I don't agree with the tea party movement doesn't mean that I am a leftist thinking individual. I look at each issue individually with full disregard of which party supports my viewpoint.

I guess it's just my perception. The Tea Party is the only major group today who are fighting for the people against oppressive government. Yet you keep calling them stupid and ignorant. Both parties are supporting unending growth in government, I don't see you jumping into anything there passionately attacking that. What is ignorant about thinking government needs to actually be limited?

I am basing it on the book that she wrote after the 2008 presidential election "going rogue." Quitting her duties as governor of Alaska to stay in the national spotlight and gain supporters. Going to work for faux news. Getting paid handsomely to speak out at tea party rallies. Having her tv show on TLC. She probably even put her daughter on DWTS. Again, I can't blame her for making money, but I feel as though she blows a lot of hot air and doesn't produce any goods.

And about limited government...See, what people fail to realize is that very few politicians are in favor of a smaller government. They just concentrate on the areas of the government that want to have the most influence over our lives. I mean what services do they want to reduce? Defense spending? haha The same people who want a smaller government are the same ones who want to spend lots of money on weapons of mass destruction to blow up our "enemies." You cannot have your cake and eat it too as in you cannot reduce taxes without reducing services available. Not to mention unemployment would skyrocket with the loss of federal jobs. I just don't believe any politician is going to reduce the role of influence government has, because once they get a taste they realize the privileges they have are pretty good.

I don't understand the "take my country back" slogan that engulfs the tea party. Take it back to what? 1800 so white privilege can be predominate once again?

Cappster wrote:Take it back to what? 1800 so white privilege can be predominate once again?

Here you go, the level of your contribution to the discussion. Thanks for that insight. You say you see the sides the same, but one side you viciously attack with ignorant posts like this that to want smaller government is racist and the other side you just say, oh, they're the same...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:Take it back to what? 1800 so white privilege can be predominate once again?

Here you go, the level of your contribution to the discussion. Thanks for that insight.

I provide the insight from the tea baggers I personally know who are prejudice. It is the culture that is relative to me and I cannot help if you do not agree with that. And that little stat you put up about tea baggers not saying race was a big deal in their decision making is bs. Racist usually aren't going to say "I hate black people" out in the open. I am not saying all tea baggers are racist, but a measly 7 percent is just ludicrous.

One thing people from the left, the wrong, and completely irrational all have in common is the failure to rationalize any viewpoints other than their own.

Cappster wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:Take it back to what? 1800 so white privilege can be predominate once again?

Here you go, the level of your contribution to the discussion. Thanks for that insight.

I provide the insight from the tea baggers I personally know who are prejudice. It is the culture that is relative to me and I cannot help if you do not agree with that. And that little stat you put up about tea baggers not saying race was a big deal in their decision making is bs. Racist usually aren't going to say "I hate black people" out in the open. I am not saying all tea baggers are racist, but a measly 7 percent is just ludicrous.

One thing people from the left, the wrong, and completely irrational all have in common is the failure to rationalize any viewpoints other than their own.

"insight" . We hear that "insight" from Democrats and the liberal media every day...

There are a lot of people in this country who are sick of the spiraling size of government in this country. The Democrats have been for decades that if you are black or a woman or Hispanic... and not liberal you will get nothing but attacked for your race, sex, ethnicity... Republicans are full hate, they want corporations to control the country. Democrats do nothing but ad hominem attacks because you can't defend liberalism logically. It doesn't work, it's a collectivist ideology. So, you attack the other side personally.

The Tea Party movement is a minority of people who just want the smaller government message to be heard. Government actually isn't the solution to all our problems. What a racist, wacko message. You're not only willing to hook line and sinker buy the most extreme left wing hatred of that threat but be their flag bearer. If it moves, point and scream "racist, racist." Yeah, that's adding to the political climate in this country. You say you don't trust politicians, but what you are doing is completely serving to their destroy any threat to their power agenda. It's the complete frustration anyone who hasn't sold out to them in the intellectually lazy and reality challenged pursuit of easy, pain free solutions. We will not only not be heard, but we will be attacked and the more we are heard the more extreme and desperate those attacks will be.

So Cappster, do you have any comment on the actual Tea Party views or is it just we're racists? So you think we'd be OK with a white liberal President? They'd get it easy like Slick did or white liberal candidates like Kerry or Gore?

You know, I don't know about this Gore fellow as President. I mean he's liberal so I GUESS I don't want him. But he is white, so I guess it's not too bad. Yeah, that's what we said...