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I'm watching the Rose bowl and I am loving this kid's accuracy and his athleticism , right now he is projected as a 3-5th round pick but with the senior bowl ,combine and private workouts he could be a viable second rounder, that way we could get our star receiver (Julio Jones or Justin Blackmon ) in the first round. what do y'all think

I am with you NewSkinsFan! I have been a fan of Dalton's since he got to TCU. I don't understand why they are projecting this kid as a 5th rounder. I am wondering if Shanahan is looking at kids like him to draft rather than the big name guys (the sure bets will be gone). I love what they say about him below:

9) Andy Dalton- TCU- 6’3 220 - Good Size

It’s not often that a TCU quarterback becomes a legit draft option, but Dalton has a lot of upside. While Dalton makes quite a few plays downfield, it’s his accuracy that really stands out. He seems to make the necessary plays late in the game that gives TCU the extra boost. He’s a smart passer and more of a game manager than anything, but he could be a solid option at the next level.

http://nflsoup.com/?p=5441

Personally I like the kid. Good arm strength, makes plays and WIN'S most importantly. But not sure about the intangibles and what not that separate guys in the NFL from College.

NEWSKINSFAN119 wrote:I'm watching the Rose bowl and I am loving this kid's accuracy and his athleticism , right now he is projected as a 3-5th round pick but with the senior bowl ,combine and private workouts he could be a viable second rounder, that way we could get our star receiver (Julio Jones or Justin Blackmon ) in the first round. what do y'all think

Took the words right put of my mouth.

I think we'd be fortunate if Jones was still there at 14 although if he is we should probably pass. Trade the pick to a team high on Jones. We need to build from the inside out. A nose tackle is a higher priority than a wide receiver.

TCIYM wrote:I think we'd be fortunate if Jones was still there at 14 although if he is we should probably pass. Trade the pick to a team high on Jones. We need to build from the inside out. A nose tackle is a higher priority than a wide receiver.

I don't think so after seeing what Anthony Bryant did yesteday; we might have found our future NT.

TeeterSalad wrote:

TCIYM wrote:I think we'd be fortunate if Jones was still there at 14 although if he is we should probably pass. Trade the pick to a team high on Jones. We need to build from the inside out. A nose tackle is a higher priority than a wide receiver.

I don't think so after seeing what Anthony Bryant did yesteday; we might have found our future NT.

I won't be passing any judgments on Bryant after one game. There must be reasons he was buried on the depth chart behind an injured Kemoeatu.

TCIYM wrote:

TeeterSalad wrote:

TCIYM wrote:I think we'd be fortunate if Jones was still there at 14 although if he is we should probably pass. Trade the pick to a team high on Jones. We need to build from the inside out. A nose tackle is a higher priority than a wide receiver.

I don't think so after seeing what Anthony Bryant did yesteday; we might have found our future NT.

I won't be passing any judgments on Bryant after one game. There must be reasons he was buried on the depth chart behind an injured Kemoeatu.

Cardivascular endurance?

TeeterSalad wrote:

TCIYM wrote:I think we'd be fortunate if Jones was still there at 14 although if he is we should probably pass. Trade the pick to a team high on Jones. We need to build from the inside out. A nose tackle is a higher priority than a wide receiver.

I don't think so after seeing what Anthony Bryant did yesteday; we might have found our future NT.

He's 29 & hasn't established himself yet. Maybe an OK backup, but that's about it.

Mike Mayock likes Andy Dalton:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/090 ... n-QB-class

TCIYM wrote:I think we'd be fortunate if Jones was still there at 14 although if he is we should probably pass.

Especially since we're picking at the 10 spot, and if he were still there at 14 we would have already passed.

Deadskins wrote:

TCIYM wrote:I think we'd be fortunate if Jones was still there at 14 although if he is we should probably pass.

Espcially since we're picking at the 10 spot, and if he were still there at 14 we would have already passed.

At the time of the post we were projected to be picking at 14. Either that or I can't type.

Evan Silva

Mayock on Andy Dalton in Rose Bowl vs. Wisconsin: "The kid made every throw. ... Just one of those kids that gets 'it.'"

Evan Silva

Mike Mayock on TCU QB Andy Dalton: "I think he's a West Coast-type quarterback. ... The coaches and general managers love him."

From BROODINGBURGUNDY:

I’m hearing confident reports from trustworthy sources that Dalton is quietly drawing an extended look from coaches at Redskins Park...
Some good insight that struck a chord with me today was an astute comparison to Matt Schaub, a successful former pupil of Kyle Shanahan, whose profile coming out of UVa was strikingly similar. Both are more likely to be described as “game managers” than “game breakers,” but both are efficient and adept at exploiting specific defensive weaknesses.

http://broodingburgundy.com/post/4587276182/dalton

Red_One43 wrote:From BROODINGBURGUNDY:

I’m hearing confident reports from trustworthy sources that Dalton is quietly drawing an extended look from coaches at Redskins Park...
Some good insight that struck a chord with me today was an astute comparison to Matt Schaub, a successful former pupil of Kyle Shanahan, whose profile coming out of UVa was strikingly similar. Both are more likely to be described as “game managers” than “game breakers,” but both are efficient and adept at exploiting specific defensive weaknesses.

http://broodingburgundy.com/post/4587276182/dalton

The following is rather important to the context of the blog:

Don’t consider this or a promise or a tip (just yet), but every Redskins fan should at least have Andy Dalton on his radar by Draft Day.

By the way, the source is BleacherReport:

B/R

TCIYM wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:From BROODINGBURGUNDY:

I’m hearing confident reports from trustworthy sources that Dalton is quietly drawing an extended look from coaches at Redskins Park...
Some good insight that struck a chord with me today was an astute comparison to Matt Schaub, a successful former pupil of Kyle Shanahan, whose profile coming out of UVa was strikingly similar. Both are more likely to be described as “game managers” than “game breakers,” but both are efficient and adept at exploiting specific defensive weaknesses.

http://broodingburgundy.com/post/4587276182/dalton

The following is rather important to the context of the blog:

Don’t consider this or a promise or a tip (just yet), but every Redskins fan should at least have Andy Dalton on his radar by Draft Day.

By the way, the source is BleacherReport:

B/R

Wow! So in other words, are you implying that BROODINGBURGUNDY is not credible about his twitter dialogue and "trustworty" sources and saying his sources are BR? Even the BR says that rumors are leaking out of Redskins Park on this subject which means several folks would be privy to the info. BROOD says he got the "tale of the tape" from scouting reports, of course that data is the same. You and I, both have read all of that before.

I enjoyed some great Twitter dialogue today regarding former TCU Horned Frog Andy Dalton, the second-winningest starting quarterback in NCAA history (behind only Colt McCoy)...
I’m hearing confident reports from trustworthy sources that Dalton is quietly drawing an extended look from coaches at Redskins Park.

http://broodingburgundy.com/post/4587276182/dalton


BR writer says:

If you ask me, the better fit would by Andy Dalton. Rumors leaking out of Redskins Park say that Kyle Shanahan likes what Dalton brings to the table as well.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6627 ... b-prospect

Red_One43 wrote:Wow! So in other words, are you implying that BROODINGBURGUNDY is not credible about his twitter dialogue and "trustworty" sources and saying his sources are BR? Even the BR says that rumors are leaking out of Redskins Park on this subject which means several folks would be privy to the info. BROOD says he got the "tale of the tape" from scouting reports, of course that data is the same. You and I, both have read all of that before.

If there are rumors leaking out of Redskins Park on interest in Dalton, then why is no one who actually covers Redskins Park reporting it? Too much else going on in the world of NFL Football? Nothing from the likes of the Post, Times, Examiner? But a guy who runs a fan blog from Duke University in North Carolina has inside information about the goings-on at Redskins Park? As discussed over twitter with another guy who contributes to Bleacher Report an hour before he wrote the piece?

Carrying that one step further, why would a passing offense that progresses from deep to shallow have a high level of interest in a quarterback with unremarkable arm strength? And with the #10 and #41 selections, why would the Redskins reach on Dalton when they could reach on Locker? There are all kinds of reports being written about that one from far more established and credible sources.

There is marked interest in Christian Ponder, and there has been since last season. His arm strength is also unremarkable, however, his IQ is off the charts. He "just gets it." Why not Ponder? He was the hot topic as selection #41 not long ago.

So, are we to believe the Redskins suddenly lost interest in Locker and Ponder but are willing to reach on Dalton? Even assuming they are, there are 15 teams known to be looking for quarterbacks. When are the Redskins supposedly reaching on Dalton? #41? For a 3rd or 4th round graded quarterback?

I'm not saying Brent (The owner of BroodingBurgundy) isn't being told something by someone regarding the Redskins having interest in Dalton. What I am saying is it doesn't have much substance.

Kindly remember that 2 years ago, there were volumes of "reports" emanating from Redskins park about interest in Mark Sanchez, which I never believed. I suggested at that time that part of the motivation for that was to increase the odds that the player they really wanted would still be on the board at their pick... I was sniped at by a few, but in the end, Orakpo was available and pounced on.

Rumors are sometimes nothing more than the musing of an under-employed blogger... but sometimes, they are designed to make someone else change their plans...

The pre-draft mind games would confuse even Machiavelli...

Countertrey wrote:Kindly remember that 2 years ago, there were volumes of "reports" emanating from Redskins park about interest in Mark Sanchez, which I never believed. I suggested at that time that part of the motivation for that was to increase the odds that the player they really wanted would still be on the board at their pick... I was sniped at by a few, but in the end, Orakpo was available and pounced on.

Rumors are sometimes nothing more than the musing of an under-employed blogger... but sometimes, they are designed to make someone else change their plans...

The pre-draft mind games would confuse even Machiavelli...

I concur. Where there is smoke there is rarely fire in pre-draft rumblings.

TCIYM wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:Wow! So in other words, are you implying that BROODINGBURGUNDY is not credible about his twitter dialogue and "trustworty" sources and saying his sources are BR? Even the BR says that rumors are leaking out of Redskins Park on this subject which means several folks would be privy to the info. BROOD says he got the "tale of the tape" from scouting reports, of course that data is the same. You and I, both have read all of that before.

If there are rumors leaking out of Redskins Park on interest in Dalton, then why is no one who actually covers Redskins Park reporting it? Too much else going on in the world of NFL Football? Nothing from the likes of the Post, Times, Examiner? But a guy who runs a fan blog from Duke University in North Carolina has inside information about the goings-on at Redskins Park? As discussed over twitter with another guy who contributes to Bleacher Report an hour before he wrote the piece?

Carrying that one step further, why would a passing offense that progresses from deep to shallow have a high level of interest in a quarterback with unremarkable arm strength? And with the #10 and #41 selections, why would the Redskins reach on Dalton when they could reach on Locker? There are all kinds of reports being written about that one from far more established and credible sources.

There is marked interest in Christian Ponder, and there has been since last season. His arm strength is also unremarkable, however, his IQ is off the charts. He "just gets it." Why not Ponder? He was the hot topic as selection #41 not long ago.

So, are we to believe the Redskins suddenly lost interest in Locker and Ponder but are willing to reach on Dalton? Even assuming they are, there are 15 teams known to be looking for quarterbacks. When are the Redskins supposedly reaching on Dalton? #41? For a 3rd or 4th round graded quarterback?

I'm not saying Brent (The owner of BroodingBurgundy) isn't being told something by someone regarding the Redskins having interest in Dalton. What I am saying is it doesn't have much substance.

Impressive Argument!!!

Not so sure that Dalton is still graded as a 3rd or 4th rounder, but I think that you still made your case.

I also want to remind you of what Brent said that you quoted. He put his disclaimer on it that he was just saying that they were rumors, so Brent was not saying that anybody lost interest in Locker or Ponder.

Don’t consider this or a promise or a tip (just yet), but every Redskins fan should at least have Andy Dalton on his radar by Draft Day.

Countertrey wrote:Kindly remember that 2 years ago, there were volumes of "reports" emanating from Redskins park about interest in Mark Sanchez, which I never believed. I suggested at that time that part of the motivation for that was to increase the odds that the player they really wanted would still be on the board at their pick... I was sniped at by a few, but in the end, Orakpo was available and pounced on.

Rumors are sometimes nothing more than the musing of an under-employed blogger... but sometimes, they are designed to make someone else change their plans...

The pre-draft mind games would confuse even Machiavelli...

OK, we are talking about Vinny here. Are you really going to give Vinny that much credit that he targeted Orakpo and schemed the rumors to get his guy? or is it more likely that Vinny with Dan's blessing (knowing that they didn't exactly care for Campbell) targeted Sanchez and just couldn't swing the deal and lo an behold his guy slipped back in the draft right to him?

Say what you want... I said what I said then, and was right. It's a common tactic in the NFL, and doesn't require a genius... Vinny qualified. Sometimes, you misdirect to prevent others from becoming aware of whom you are actually interested in, sometimes to influence them to select someone that you want them to be interested in. It is equally likely that the "interest" in Sanchez by the Skins, and then by other teams, helped to increase his "value" in the draft... resulting in a couple of players who had been projected as top 10 being available outside of the top 10. Say what you want, the first round was not a weakness for Vinnie...

Countertrey wrote:Say what you want... I said what I said then, and was right. It's a common tactic in the NFL, and doesn't require a genius... Vinny qualified. Sometimes, you misdirect to prevent others from becoming aware of whom you are actually interested in, sometimes to influence them to select someone that you want them to be interested in. It is equally likely that the "interest" in Sanchez by the Skins, and then by other teams, helped to increase his "value" in the draft... resulting in a couple of players who had been projected as top 10 being available outside of the top 10. Say what you want, the first round was not a weakness for Vinnie...

No matter what one might believe about the pre-draft goings on of Vinny Cerrato in the 2009 draft, he gets the credit for drafting Orakpo and nobody can take that away from him, so yes, you are right and nobody can take that away from you as well.

PFT article quoting Peter King of SI.com

“It’s getting very hard for [Bengals offensive coordinator] Jay Gruden to hide how much he loves Andy Dalton,” one quarterback coach told King.

The Bengals have met with Dalton in some form or fashion five times. Dalton figures to be available when the Bengals choose early in the second round, but there has been speculation he could go higher.

Five times is a lot for a smoke screen, but Rosenthal of PFT thinks it is of some sorts:

Perhaps the Bengals are just trying to convince everyone they won’t go quarterback at No. 4 overall. We have a feeling they see more value from a wideout or defensive player there, with a quarterback pick like Dalton in the second round.

My take - Dalton has a lot of qualities that coaches desire (Mike Mayock like him for sure); however, his lack of arm strength is relegating him to what appears to be everyone's fall back and smokescreen guy to cover the teams actual QB desire.