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Here is my metric. You can make 10 clones of a guy and then put that 11, playing both ways, against any other guy with his 10 clones.

Who is your guy?

I nominate Vick.

Other nominations followed by arguments and a poll?

Using this metric I think there may have been a time when Brian Mitchell was the best all-around football player in the NFL.

I'd like to hear from Welch (and others) on an all-timer using this metric.

Thorpe? Baugh? Jim Brown?

DarthMonk

You probably need a TE, because you need blockers as well as skill positions. I nominate ey. 11 Vicks would get crushed in the trenches.

Deadskins wrote:You probably need a TE, because you need blockers as well as skill positions. I nominate ey. 11 Vicks would get crushed in the trenches.

Who would throw ... or would the eys just run every down? I think the Vicks might run wild. You can't block what you can't get position on.

I think we could get something good going if more people join in.

DarthMonk

Joe Webb | #14 | QB

Height: 6-4 Weight: 220 Age: 24

At Webb's Pro Day, he ran a 4.43 40 yard dash time and recorded a vertical leap of 42.5 inches. It's impossible to talk about his measurable and not mention his bench press numbers: 21 reps of 225 pounds.


Michael Vick #7 QB
Height 6-0
Weight 215 lbs.
Age 29
40 yrd dash 4.25
Vertical Leap: 38


I'll take Joe Webb. My Webbs are bigger than your Vicks and will control the line of scrimmage. Your Vicks have a step on us, but we can out leap your Vicks for the ball and either intercept it or bat it away. My Webbs are also four inches taller so our height and leaping ability will make it hard for your Vick QB to throw over us. My Webbs are fast enough to keep your Vick QB in the pocket. By the fourth quarter your Vicks will be worn out from trying to tackle our 6' 4" frame and getting tackled by the same 6'4" frame.

Webbs - 42 Vicks - 35

Arian Foster

Nice nomiation. Good reasoning. Drafted as a wideout. Can clearly throw and run. Big and strong. I'd take your 11 Webbs over 11 eys in a heartbeat and already lean toward Webbs over Vicks.

DarthMonk

Red_One43 wrote:Joe Webb | #14 | QB

Height: 6-4 Weight: 220 Age: 24

At Webb's Pro Day, he ran a 4.43 40 yard dash time and recorded a vertical leap of 42.5 inches. It's impossible to talk about his measurable and not mention his bench press numbers: 21 reps of 225 pounds.


Michael Vick #7 QB
Height 6-0
Weight 215 lbs.
Age 29
40 yrd dash 4.25
Vertical Leap: 38


I'll take Joe Webb. My Webbs are bigger than your Vicks and will control the line of scrimmage. Your Vicks have a step on us, but we can out leap your Vicks for the ball and either intercept it or bat it away. My Webbs are also four inches taller so our height and leaping ability will make it hard for your Vick QB to throw over us. My Webbs are fast enough to keep your Vick QB in the pocket. By the fourth quarter your Vicks will be worn out from trying to tackle our 6' 4" frame and getting tackled by the same 6'4" frame.

Webbs - 42 Vicks - 35

DarthMonk wrote:Nice nomiation. Good reasoning. Drafted as a wideout. Can clearly throw and run. Big and strong. I'd take your 11 Webbs over 11 eys in a heartbeat and already lean toward Webbs over Vicks.

DarthMonk

Red_One43 wrote:Joe Webb | #14 | QB

Height: 6-4 Weight: 220 Age: 24

At Webb's Pro Day, he ran a 4.43 40 yard dash time and recorded a vertical leap of 42.5 inches. It's impossible to talk about his measurable and not mention his bench press numbers: 21 reps of 225 pounds.



Michael Vick #7 QB
Height 6-0
Weight 215 lbs.
Age 29
40 yrd dash 4.25
Vertical Leap: 38


I'll take Joe Webb. My Webbs are bigger than your Vicks and will control the line of scrimmage. Your Vicks have a step on us, but we can out leap your Vicks for the ball and either intercept it or bat it away. My Webbs are also four inches taller so our height and leaping ability will make it hard for your Vick QB to throw over us. My Webbs are fast enough to keep your Vick QB in the pocket. By the fourth quarter your Vicks will be worn out from trying to tackle our 6' 4" frame and getting tackled by the same 6'4" frame.

Webbs - 42 Vicks - 35

Thanks. On first thought, I felt that your Vicks were unbeatable with their speed, agility and durability and skills, but then I remembered the Tuesday night game with Joe Webb and I said maybe the Webbs can beat the Vicks.

Alexander

London Fletcher. No player plays with more heart.

I think I'd actually take Tebow. He can pass and run, and I think he would def block better than Vick.

brad7686 wrote:I think I'd actually take Tebow. He can pass and run, and I think he would def block better than Vick.

Sorry, tribe already has dibs on Tebow for..everything....

Yeah, whoever gets Tebow is a good choice. He has good size and probably can hit as well, if not better, than the average LB. He has good speed. Here are some combine stats:

Tim Tebow ran the 40-yard dash on Sunday in 4.7 and 4.72.The former Florida star also tied the mark for best ever vertical leap by a quaterback with a jump of 38.5 inches. He tied Josh McCown.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... osh-mccown

Not bad numbers but he and his 10 clones would have a tough time beating my Joe Webbs. Tebow's speed is pedestrian compared to Webb's 4.43. Webb can easily out leap Tebow 42.5 to 38.5. A slight edge would go to Tebow with the line play, but speed kills. The game would be a tough game but would be a victory for the Webbs so long as the Webb's do not make too many mistakes. The Tebows would be highly disciplined and would play virtually mistake free football. The Webbs would not want to see the Tebows on the schedule too often.

I've been thinking about this for a while and still like the Vicks over the Webbs until the Webbs gain more experience. I think the Vicks win now but the Webbs have more upside. In a 16-game season I like the Vicks to open 5-3 or 6-2 with the Webbs maybe taking more games after the bye if they develop consistency.

The Tebows are interesting. I like the Fletchers but they realistically have no chance.

I think the McNabbs would have been very tough a few years ago.

DarthMonk

Red_One43 wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Nice nomiation. Good reasoning. Drafted as a wideout. Can clearly throw and run. Big and strong. I'd take your 11 Webbs over 11 eys in a heartbeat and already lean toward Webbs over Vicks.

DarthMonk

Red_One43 wrote:Joe Webb | #14 | QB

Height: 6-4 Weight: 220 Age: 24

At Webb's Pro Day, he ran a 4.43 40 yard dash time and recorded a vertical leap of 42.5 inches. It's impossible to talk about his measurable and not mention his bench press numbers: 21 reps of 225 pounds.



Michael Vick #7 QB
Height 6-0
Weight 215 lbs.
Age 29
40 yrd dash 4.25
Vertical Leap: 38


I'll take Joe Webb. My Webbs are bigger than your Vicks and will control the line of scrimmage. Your Vicks have a step on us, but we can out leap your Vicks for the ball and either intercept it or bat it away. My Webbs are also four inches taller so our height and leaping ability will make it hard for your Vick QB to throw over us. My Webbs are fast enough to keep your Vick QB in the pocket. By the fourth quarter your Vicks will be worn out from trying to tackle our 6' 4" frame and getting tackled by the same 6'4" frame.

Webbs - 42 Vicks - 35

Thanks. On first thought, I felt that your Vicks were unbeatable with their speed, agility and durability and skills, but then I remembered the Tuesday night game with Joe Webb and I said maybe the Webbs can beat the Vicks.

DarthMonk wrote:I've been thinking about this for a while and still like the Vicks over the Webbs until the Webbs gain more experience. I think the Vicks win now but the Webbs have more upside. In a 16-game season I like the Vicks to open 5-3 or 6-2 with the Webbs maybe taking more games after the bye if they develop consistency.

The Tebows are interesting. I like the Fletchers but they realistically have no chance.

I think the McNabbs would have been very tough a few years ago.

DarthMonk

Red_One43 wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Nice nomiation. Good reasoning. Drafted as a wideout. Can clearly throw and run. Big and strong. I'd take your 11 Webbs over 11 eys in a heartbeat and already lean toward Webbs over Vicks.

DarthMonk

Red_One43 wrote:Joe Webb | #14 | QB

Height: 6-4 Weight: 220 Age: 24

At Webb's Pro Day, he ran a 4.43 40 yard dash time and recorded a vertical leap of 42.5 inches. It's impossible to talk about his measurable and not mention his bench press numbers: 21 reps of 225 pounds.



Michael Vick #7 QB
Height 6-0
Weight 215 lbs.
Age 29
40 yrd dash 4.25
Vertical Leap: 38


I'll take Joe Webb. My Webbs are bigger than your Vicks and will control the line of scrimmage. Your Vicks have a step on us, but we can out leap your Vicks for the ball and either intercept it or bat it away. My Webbs are also four inches taller so our height and leaping ability will make it hard for your Vick QB to throw over us. My Webbs are fast enough to keep your Vick QB in the pocket. By the fourth quarter your Vicks will be worn out from trying to tackle our 6' 4" frame and getting tackled by the same 6'4" frame.

Webbs - 42 Vicks - 35

Thanks. On first thought, I felt that your Vicks were unbeatable with their speed, agility and durability and skills, but then I remembered the Tuesday night game with Joe Webb and I said maybe the Webbs can beat the Vicks.

True, there are some unknowns about Joe Webb. If the data were to be put in the computer right now, Vicks would probably have the edge because the Webbs haven't built a resume yet.

See first post if you never got in on this.

A year later I think the Cam Newtons need to be reckoned with. I think the top teams so far, right now, alphabetically, are:

Newtons
Tebows
Vicks
Webbs

Now how about the Griffins? Where will they stand a year from now?

DarthMonk

Reading this thread all I could think was how the most unstoppable "clone" team of all time would've been the Sean Taylors. The defense would've been devastating against both the pass and the run. The offense would be explosive. They'd be able to pound the football and the passing game would rack up a ton of YAC.

44diesel wrote:Reading this thread all I could think was how the most unstoppable "clone" team of all time would've been the Sean Taylors. The defense would've been devastating against both the pass and the run. The offense would be explosive. They'd be able to pound the football and the passing game would rack up a ton of YAC.

I'm glad you brought him up. He inspired the thread.

Way to go.

DarthMonk

Robert Griffin The Thirrrd

DarthMonk wrote:

44diesel wrote:Reading this thread all I could think was how the most unstoppable "clone" team of all time would've been the Sean Taylors. The defense would've been devastating against both the pass and the run. The offense would be explosive. They'd be able to pound the football and the passing game would rack up a ton of YAC.

I'm glad you brought him up. He inspired the thread.

Way to go.

DarthMonk

Thanks! Hands down he's the best all around athlete I've seen in my lifetime. Size, speed ability and heart. They broke the mold when they made him.

As for current players I think the Webbs sound like a top contender along with the Tebows and Vicks.

How about a team of Troy Polamalus or go for a bigger team ala the Brian Urlachers or Ray Lewis'. They may not be that good defending the pass (or throwing the football) but they'd be hard to block and tough to tackle. They'd wear alot of smaller faster teams out.

That is if they can contain those teams early and not fall way behind in a shootout.

The Patrick Willises would dominate

R G 3 baby!!.. Rex Grossman III !!!!

Nobody open, noooooooo problem...

andyjens89 wrote:The Patrick Willises would dominate

I think 11 Cam Newtons would out-skill the Willises. With a little more input we can have a poll.

DarthMonk

How is Joe Webb up here? Are we talking about best players or best combine performances?

If so, there are a lot of workout warriors who wouldn't bust a grape. But since we're evaluating physical freaks, I'd put 11 Calvin Johnson's on the field.

6'5
240lbs
42' vertical
11'7 broad jump

oh and

4.35 Forty

The Hogster wrote:How is Joe Webb up here? Are we talking about best players or best combine performances?

If so, there are a lot of workout warriors who wouldn't bust a grape. But since we're evaluating physical freaks, I'd put 11 Calvin Johnson's on the field.

6'5
240lbs
42' vertical
11'7 broad jump

oh and

4.35 Forty

Hogman:

Read the first post in the thread. That's where the metric is. Maybe you already did. Webb was nominated last year (Red_One43). He was drafted as a WR and has had strong performances as a QB. 11 of him would be tough to stop.

DarthMonk