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DM wants "release" after 2010 season......

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:12 pm
by tribeofjudah
McNugget finally "sees" the light and knows he isn't wanted by coaches in DC.


Being that Donovan McNabb no longer is a part of the Washington Redskins' game plans, he has his own game plan in place for after this season, according to one person close to the quarterback.

After the season, McNabb is planning to meet with the Redskins and ask them for his release. McNabb wants to be in a position where he can pick the place to finish his career, not have it dictated to him as was the case last season when Philadelphia traded him to Washington.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5956686

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:14 pm
by TCIYM
Sources close to the situations say "No Duh."

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:17 pm
by tribeofjudah
It's a slow news day.....

But many here think that McNugget will remain in B&G next season.

Re: DM wants "release" after 2010 season......

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:37 pm
by Skinsfan55
tribeofjudah wrote:After the season, McNabb is planning to meet with the Redskins and ask them for his release. McNabb wants to be in a position where he can pick the place to finish his career, not have it dictated to him as was the case last season when Philadelphia traded him to Washington.



ROTFALMAO

Then why did you sign a CONTRACT, dummy? This is just getting stupid. McNabb signed a long term extension and still wouldn't get with the program too bad, so sad. Now the Redskins have the rights to trade you to the highest bidder, as well they should, so they can try and recoup the two wasted draft picks they gave up. McNabb really had a chance to be great in Washington but he couldn't pick up the offense, he wasn't willing to give 100% and he thought his past Pro Bowls gave him some kind of license to coast in Washington.

Now he wants us to release him and give away all of our bargaining power. Yeah, right.

Re: DM wants "release" after 2010 season......

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:06 pm
by Red_One43
Skinsfan55 wrote:
tribeofjudah wrote:After the season, McNabb is planning to meet with the Redskins and ask them for his release. McNabb wants to be in a position where he can pick the place to finish his career, not have it dictated to him as was the case last season when Philadelphia traded him to Washington.



ROTFALMAO

Then why did you sign a CONTRACT, dummy? This is just getting stupid. McNabb signed a long term extension and still wouldn't get with the program too bad, so sad. Now the Redskins have the rights to trade you to the highest bidder, as well they should, so they can try and recoup the two wasted draft picks they gave up. McNabb really had a chance to be great in Washington but he couldn't pick up the offense, he wasn't willing to give 100% and he thought his past Pro Bowls gave him some kind of license to coast in Washington.

Now he wants us to release him and give away all of our bargaining power. Yeah, right.


Precisely what I asked in my thread, "Reasons why McNabb signed his contract? Anyone?" It made no sense to sign such a contract.

Re: DM wants "release" after 2010 season......

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:05 pm
by RayNAustin
Skinsfan55 wrote:
tribeofjudah wrote:After the season, McNabb is planning to meet with the Redskins and ask them for his release. McNabb wants to be in a position where he can pick the place to finish his career, not have it dictated to him as was the case last season when Philadelphia traded him to Washington.



ROTFALMAO

Then why did you sign a CONTRACT, dummy? This is just getting stupid. McNabb signed a long term extension and still wouldn't get with the program too bad, so sad. Now the Redskins have the rights to trade you to the highest bidder, as well they should, so they can try and recoup the two wasted draft picks they gave up. McNabb really had a chance to be great in Washington but he couldn't pick up the offense, he wasn't willing to give 100% and he thought his past Pro Bowls gave him some kind of license to coast in Washington.

Now he wants us to release him and give away all of our bargaining power. Yeah, right.


The most ignorant post I've ever read on this board. Barr none.

Re: DM wants "release" after 2010 season......

Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:07 pm
by RayNAustin
Red_One43 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:
tribeofjudah wrote:After the season, McNabb is planning to meet with the Redskins and ask them for his release. McNabb wants to be in a position where he can pick the place to finish his career, not have it dictated to him as was the case last season when Philadelphia traded him to Washington.



ROTFALMAO

Then why did you sign a CONTRACT, dummy? This is just getting stupid. McNabb signed a long term extension and still wouldn't get with the program too bad, so sad. Now the Redskins have the rights to trade you to the highest bidder, as well they should, so they can try and recoup the two wasted draft picks they gave up. McNabb really had a chance to be great in Washington but he couldn't pick up the offense, he wasn't willing to give 100% and he thought his past Pro Bowls gave him some kind of license to coast in Washington.

Now he wants us to release him and give away all of our bargaining power. Yeah, right.


Precisely what I asked in my thread, "Reasons why McNabb signed his contract? Anyone?" It made no sense to sign such a contract.


Let me explain it to you.

McNabb and his agent apparently thought the Redskins possessed an OUNCE of integrity.

They were wrong. That's your answer.

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:13 am
by SkinsJock
AND there are reports now out that shortly after the game today that McNabb vehemently denies making such a request and denies that he's asked for anything like what is being reported

I just love it when these "reports" get shoved back in the reporters face, don't you :twisted:

Re: DM wants "release" after 2010 season......

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:48 am
by chiefhog44
RayNAustin wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:
tribeofjudah wrote:After the season, McNabb is planning to meet with the Redskins and ask them for his release. McNabb wants to be in a position where he can pick the place to finish his career, not have it dictated to him as was the case last season when Philadelphia traded him to Washington.



ROTFALMAO

Then why did you sign a CONTRACT, dummy? This is just getting stupid. McNabb signed a long term extension and still wouldn't get with the program too bad, so sad. Now the Redskins have the rights to trade you to the highest bidder, as well they should, so they can try and recoup the two wasted draft picks they gave up. McNabb really had a chance to be great in Washington but he couldn't pick up the offense, he wasn't willing to give 100% and he thought his past Pro Bowls gave him some kind of license to coast in Washington.

Now he wants us to release him and give away all of our bargaining power. Yeah, right.


Precisely what I asked in my thread, "Reasons why McNabb signed his contract? Anyone?" It made no sense to sign such a contract.


Let me explain it to you.

McNabb and his agent apparently thought the Redskins possessed an OUNCE of integrity.

They were wrong. That's your answer.


First off this is a business, and nothing is guaranteed. We don't owe McNabb anything but 3.5 million for this year, no apology, no starting job, no parking spot next to the stadium, nothing else. If he beats out other QB's for the position next year, then he gets more.

His history, as you so often point out about the word, means nothing. It doesn't matter if this guy was a 10 time all world QB. What are you doing for the betterment of this team NOW. He has not practiced in the manor they wanted, he has not picked up the offense the way they wanted, and they want to recoup picks if we end up trading him. That's it. I'm all for recouping as much as we can for this blown experiment. I'm sure as hell not in favor of keeping this guy as our starting QB if he isn't doing his job like the coaches want, whether we traded the next ten first round picks on the guy or not. Good God, if we would have had this mentality anytime in the last 19 years (to cut bait on a QB as soon as it wasn't working out) we may have avoided some miserable years (Jason Campbell...come on down).

Further, you have no idea what was said in the meeting when they resigned him yet you are questioning someone's integrity? All I know is that they just secured something for nothing. What side are you on? What do you think they told him...that he was guarenteed a starting job? What a joke that is. That is as dumb a thinking as I've ever heard. Hey, by the way, I have a cool tower in London for sale...I'll e-mail you about it. If DM's attorney was this blind to sign a contract like this, well, then quite frankly, he should be fired. I'm sure THAT has much more to do with all this 'release me after the season' talk with an agent painting a picture of a franchise throwing a good guy under the bus. His agent has got to be sweating bullets. So take this integrity BS and go shove it in the cave you and Mcnabb are camping out in.

Win first mentality. That's what I want. Cut throat, that's what I like. Popularity contest, no thanks. You think Belechek has integrity? right.

Re: DM wants "release" after 2010 season......

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:32 am
by RayNAustin
chiefhog44 wrote:First off this is a business, and nothing is guaranteed. We don't owe McNabb anything but 3.5 million for this year, no apology, no starting job, no parking spot next to the stadium, nothing else. If he beats out other QB's for the position next year, then he gets more.


Everyone deserves a base level respect, and to be treated fairly and honestly. And it is not a fault to assume integrity from others ... it's the lack of it that is the REAL fault. Of course, I'm old enough to understand that the world doesn't always work that way ... less now than ever before, it seems ... but the concept still has value, even if too many don't see it. Apparently you are part of the group that doesn't place much value on such things, which is why the problem seems to be so pervasive these days.

But when we traded for McNabb, and he came in here ... LET ME REMIND YOU that he was on the practice field with the other players the morning of his arrival, even before the press conference introducing him as a Redskin. And since that time, he has conducted himself with the utmost integrity. And the Redskins DO OWE HIM the same corresponding level of respect ... that which he has thus far been denied by the Slimyhans.

I would also remind you that today... YOUR NEW QB had a passer rating of 60 ..... worse than 12 of the 13 games McNabb played this year. The brown nose Grossman who has his head firmly implanted in Kyle's rectum will serve you and your Slimyhans very well ... you'll all reap exactly what you sow.

chiefhog44 wrote:His history, as you so often point out about the word, means nothing. It doesn't matter if this guy was a 10 time all world QB. What are you doing for the betterment of this team NOW. He has not practiced in the manor they wanted, he has not picked up the offense the way they wanted, and they want to recoup picks if we end up trading him. That's it. I'm all for recouping as much as we can for this blown experiment. I'm sure as hell not in favor of keeping this guy as our starting QB if he isn't doing his job like the coaches want, whether we traded the next ten first round picks on the guy or not. Good God, if we would have had this mentality anytime in the last 19 years (to cut bait on a QB as soon as it wasn't working out) we may have avoided some miserable years (Jason Campbell...come on down).


Good God, indeed. That you can be so dense as to not recognize the difference between Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb is SAD enough, well guess what... Grossman is WORSE THAN CAMPBELL !!

So I guess it shouldn't be surprising that you can't see the difference between hanging onto Campbell for 4 futile years .. while giving up on McNabb in less than 4 Months . But I can tell you this ... such flat line thinking doesn't put you in any position to question anyone else's intellect or thinking processes.

chiefhog44 wrote:Further, you have no idea what was said in the meeting when they resigned him yet you are questioning someone's integrity?


I can pretty much guarantee that they didn't tell him ... "we don't really want you ... we just want you to BELIEVE we want you so that we can get you to sign this contract". Is that too complex for you to grasp? It's really quite obvious at this point. Even you should get it.

chiefhog44 wrote:All I know is that they just secured something for nothing.


And you obviously know NOTHING about the word INTEGRITY.

chiefhog44 wrote:What side are you on? What do you think they told him...that he was guarenteed a starting job? What a joke that is. That is as dumb a thinking as I've ever heard. Hey, by the way, I have a cool tower in London for sale...I'll e-mail you about it.


I'm on the side of the players, not some scumbag EGO MANIACAL Management clowns like the Shanahans, or Snyder that sues unemployed season ticket holders and steels pennies out of blind men's cups to build his Billion Dollar Fortune. I don't have a lot of respect for the idiots who cheer on such nonsense either.

And hey, BTW, you know what you can do with your tower, don't you?

chiefhog44 wrote:
If DM's attorney was this blind to sign a contract like this, well, then quite frankly, he should be fired. I'm sure THAT has much more to do with all this 'release me after the season' talk with an agent painting a picture of a franchise throwing a good guy under the bus. His agent has got to be sweating bullets. So take this integrity BS and go shove it in the cave you and Mcnabb are camping out in.


By your way of thinking ... your daughter deserves to be raped, because she was stupid enough to wear a mini skirt !!! What kind of a person are you anyway? ANYTHING GOES ? Well, guess what? That makes you a creep ... untrustworthy, and downright pathetic. Someone needed to tell you ... so I accepted the task, and there you have it.

chiefhog44 wrote:Win first mentality. That's what I want. Cut throat, that's what I like. Popularity contest, no thanks. You think Belechek has integrity? right.


Be careful what you wish for .... the world is bigger than you, and what comes around goes around. You want to live in a world were honesty and integrity are old fashioned ideas ... well ... you'll deserve what you get.

This atrocious behavior of the Redskin organization in how they have treated this player ... FITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO A TEE .... and you'll spend the rest of your days being the loser you obviously are, and rooting for a a group of losers that make up this MANAGEMENT TEAM, instead of a Football Team made up of players like McNabb.

People like the Shanahans (and their supporters) think they are leaving some important mark on the world .... but all they are leaving is a stain. Something someone else will have to come along later and remove.

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:49 am
by tribeofjudah
you guys have WAY too much time on your hands..... McNugget is GONE, like it or not.

No sense in trying to make sense out of it.....

Re: DM wants "release" after 2010 season......

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:23 am
by Redskins_Fanatic
RayNAustin wrote:Let me explain it to you.

McNabb and his agent apparently thought the Redskins possessed an OUNCE of integrity.

They were wrong. That's your answer.


They say.... "All's Fair in Love and War." I'd add sports to that list, personally.

If McEagle thought he was going to get to come in and be allowed to simply glide along, regardless of his results then he and his agent are both fools and get exactly what they deserve.

I don't have a lot of experience negotiating contracts but I do have a little. When one side wants to put in clauses allowing them to discipline or fire an employee or to terminate the contract prematurely, that SHOULD be a sign that they're looking to hedge their bets against getting hosed on the deal. If McEagle and his representation didn't see that coming, they're even bigger fools.

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:25 pm
by Countertrey
RayNAustin said:
Everyone deserves a base level respect, and to be treated fairly and honestly. And it is not a fault to assume integrity from others ... it's the lack of it that is the REAL fault.


Mostly true, I think. "Fair", for example, is completely relative. I know what it means to me... but, that's probably not the same as what you mean.

As a young NCO, I was mentored by a Sergeant Major whom I still think about when I need some inspiration... one of the things he said to me was "When you are giving someone some bad news, always make sure you look them square in the eyes." (ummm... actually, it was a little more colorful than that... but this ain't smack) He finished with "It won't make them like you... but they WILL hear you, they will know you mean it, and it will go miles to getting them to respect you." (that's kind of edited too) Circumstances change. We all know that. Sometimes, the truth changes. Agreements made in good faith can't be kept. "Sorry, Private... you're not going on leave... something's come up"... happens in any organization.

I haven't gone wrong following his advice.

Did Shanahan look McNabb in the eyes? His handling of this leaves me wondering.

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:48 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
Countertrey wrote:Sometimes, the truth changes. Agreements made in good faith can't be kept. "Sorry, Private... you're not going on leave... something's come up"... happens in any organization.

I haven't gone wrong following his advice.

Did Shanahan look McNabb in the eyes? His handling of this leaves me wondering.

I understand what you're saying, but I will say on the other side that:

- Those attacking Shanahan and the Skins have really focused on this and assumed the guilt lies with Shanahan and not McNabb. I realize you're not going to that extreme, you're questioning. But there are a lot of people who really don't care what happened and are using it as a source of attack only. We all as humans have to keep in check that when we constantly hear one side, we don't become overly swayed by that. Their attacks are becoming all the sharper as their desired for collapse of the Skins isn't happening and they need to justify their hatred in spit of rather then because of those facts.

- Speaking of that success, if the dominant one sided Shanahan is a jerk and he's wrong in every public squabble, then why aren't we hearing that from other Skins and why is the team playing with such heart? Clearly Shanahan is feuding with some people, I'm not saying he's not. But what I am saying is it appears so far he actually doesn't do it without purpose. I have been a successful manager and manager consultant and when you give people and organizations bad news, they survive it when they get it.

- And again speaking of that success, why aren't we tanking even as our injury list grows? With your background, I'm sure you're as aware as me that fear is a shallow and short term motivator only. Clearly Shanahan is getting buy in.

What doesn't add up is the story that's being presented to us of arrogance and incompetence by the arrogant and incompetent media. The media's story makes less sense then Shanahan's does about McNabb. And again I'm not disagreeing with you on any of this, just adding to my perspective on it. Everything that's happened this year indicates not that the new regime doesn't know what they are doing, but that they do. Though I have to agree with you facts also indicate they don't communicate well to the media.

Re: DM wants "release" after 2010 season......

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:31 pm
by rbrhett
RayNAustin wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:First off this is a business, and nothing is guaranteed. We don't owe McNabb anything but 3.5 million for this year, no apology, no starting job, no parking spot next to the stadium, nothing else. If he beats out other QB's for the position next year, then he gets more.


Everyone deserves a base level respect, and to be treated fairly and honestly. And it is not a fault to assume integrity from others ... it's the lack of it that is the REAL fault. Of course, I'm old enough to understand that the world doesn't always work that way ... less now than ever before, it seems ... but the concept still has value, even if too many don't see it. Apparently you are part of the group that doesn't place much value on such things, which is why the problem seems to be so pervasive these days.

But when we traded for McNabb, and he came in here ... LET ME REMIND YOU that he was on the practice field with the other players the morning of his arrival, even before the press conference introducing him as a Redskin. And since that time, he has conducted himself with the utmost integrity. And the Redskins DO OWE HIM the same corresponding level of respect ... that which he has thus far been denied by the Slimyhans.

I would also remind you that today... YOUR NEW QB had a passer rating of 60 ..... worse than 12 of the 13 games McNabb played this year. The brown nose Grossman who has his head firmly implanted in Kyle's rectum will serve you and your Slimyhans very well ... you'll all reap exactly what you sow.

chiefhog44 wrote:His history, as you so often point out about the word, means nothing. It doesn't matter if this guy was a 10 time all world QB. What are you doing for the betterment of this team NOW. He has not practiced in the manor they wanted, he has not picked up the offense the way they wanted, and they want to recoup picks if we end up trading him. That's it. I'm all for recouping as much as we can for this blown experiment. I'm sure as hell not in favor of keeping this guy as our starting QB if he isn't doing his job like the coaches want, whether we traded the next ten first round picks on the guy or not. Good God, if we would have had this mentality anytime in the last 19 years (to cut bait on a QB as soon as it wasn't working out) we may have avoided some miserable years (Jason Campbell...come on down).


Good God, indeed. That you can be so dense as to not recognize the difference between Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb is SAD enough, well guess what... Grossman is WORSE THAN CAMPBELL !!

So I guess it shouldn't be surprising that you can't see the difference between hanging onto Campbell for 4 futile years .. while giving up on McNabb in less than 4 Months . But I can tell you this ... such flat line thinking doesn't put you in any position to question anyone else's intellect or thinking processes.

chiefhog44 wrote:Further, you have no idea what was said in the meeting when they resigned him yet you are questioning someone's integrity?


I can pretty much guarantee that they didn't tell him ... "we don't really want you ... we just want you to BELIEVE we want you so that we can get you to sign this contract". Is that too complex for you to grasp? It's really quite obvious at this point. Even you should get it.

chiefhog44 wrote:All I know is that they just secured something for nothing.


And you obviously know NOTHING about the word INTEGRITY.

chiefhog44 wrote:What side are you on? What do you think they told him...that he was guarenteed a starting job? What a joke that is. That is as dumb a thinking as I've ever heard. Hey, by the way, I have a cool tower in London for sale...I'll e-mail you about it.


I'm on the side of the players, not some scumbag EGO MANIACAL Management clowns like the Shanahans, or Snyder that sues unemployed season ticket holders and steels pennies out of blind men's cups to build his Billion Dollar Fortune. I don't have a lot of respect for the idiots who cheer on such nonsense either.

And hey, BTW, you know what you can do with your tower, don't you?

chiefhog44 wrote:
If DM's attorney was this blind to sign a contract like this, well, then quite frankly, he should be fired. I'm sure THAT has much more to do with all this 'release me after the season' talk with an agent painting a picture of a franchise throwing a good guy under the bus. His agent has got to be sweating bullets. So take this integrity BS and go shove it in the cave you and Mcnabb are camping out in.


By your way of thinking ... your daughter deserves to be raped, because she was stupid enough to wear a mini skirt !!! What kind of a person are you anyway? ANYTHING GOES ? Well, guess what? That makes you a creep ... untrustworthy, and downright pathetic. Someone needed to tell you ... so I accepted the task, and there you have it.

chiefhog44 wrote:Win first mentality. That's what I want. Cut throat, that's what I like. Popularity contest, no thanks. You think Belechek has integrity? right.


Be careful what you wish for .... the world is bigger than you, and what comes around goes around. You want to live in a world were honesty and integrity are old fashioned ideas ... well ... you'll deserve what you get.

This atrocious behavior of the Redskin organization in how they have treated this player ... FITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO A TEE .... and you'll spend the rest of your days being the loser you obviously are, and rooting for a a group of losers that make up this MANAGEMENT TEAM, instead of a Football Team made up of players like McNabb.

People like the Shanahans (and their supporters) think they are leaving some important mark on the world .... but all they are leaving is a stain. Something someone else will have to come along later and remove.


Nice post Fletcher Smith, I mean RayNAustin.

McNabb has had a bad year, and I think there is merit to both sides of the story, but I also think he signed the contract and thus the Redskins have a right to do what they please with his services. They did trade two picks for him and he did not live up to his end of the deal performance wise. Certainly, McNabb has handled this like a professional for the most part, but I never think he was a "great" QB to begin with. Perhaps T.O. was right that he choked in the Super Bowl, Andy Reid was right that he was washed up and thought trading him was the best option and that Shannahan is right for benching him now. He just isn't that good anymore. Grossman is not the answer but neither is McNabb. The Redskins should just let him work out a trade with the team of his choice. That is the same as releasing him. No harm, no foul.

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:55 pm
by Countertrey
Kaz:
Speaking of that success, if the dominant one sided Shanahan is a jerk and he's wrong in every public squabble, then why aren't we hearing that from other Skins and why is the team playing with such heart?


Come on, Kaz... the nature of this coaching staff makes this question a red herring... Jobs are at stake. Who is going to speak up if even the great Donovan McNabb gets benched??? I don't think I'd classify it as fear, so much as being prudent...

Apparently there is some depth on the defensive side of the ball that we were not aware of. Everyone of those players sees this as his shot... wouldn't YOU play YOUR butt off in this circumstance?

I consider that a tribute to the competence that Shanahan has historically demonstrated... but you have to remember, this is definitively NOT a players coach. He has demonstrated that he's perfectly willing to slice off one of the team's arms, if he thinks it's best for the team's future... Let's just say that I'm finding him rather "Bellichick" like in terms of his viewing the team as a sum of it's parts (literally) vs a group of players with a unified goal. As they wear out, or show early signs of wear... you trade them in... or discard them.

Unfortunately, while this is clearly efficient, it smacks many as harsh, even brutal.

I find myself struggling with that. Being stuck up here in Maine, I see the Patriots play... a lot. I think Bellichick is a singularly unpleasant man. But, I do love to watch the incredible efficiency of that team... they are indomitable. I don't think there is any catastrophe that they cannot recover from... except, perhaps, the loss of Bellichick.

If Shanahan is able to duplicate that dynamic (which, I believe, is his goal), I would thoroughly enjoy watching my team... but I would have the same struggles in being comfortable with another version of Bellichick.


Could I learn to live with it? mmmmmmm we shall see... :wink:

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:39 pm
by SkinsJock
I kind of agree C'trey - it looks like Mike feels the only way to manage and run an NFL program is to be as ruthless and demanding on everyone associated with the franchise as he's been since he took over here

I think that's why I think that EVERYONE here has to be worried about their jobs including the coaches AND his son

AH was treated with the same disregard as he gave the coaching staff - the players have seen that they are accountable and that there are absolutely no favorites here anymore


I hope he makes it work here - I could care less if he's as big an ass as Belicheat but then again I doubt that's possible

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:30 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
Countertrey wrote:you have to remember, this is definitively NOT a players coach

I agree with you on this, but I'm not sure that it really contradicts my argument. I didn't say the players like him, just that they are buying in to what he's doing. They don't think he's wrong with AH and they don't think the McNabb situation is just ego or incompetence. It doesn't mean they would necessarily make the same decision, but they don't have a problem with his. When I said fear is a short term and shallow motivator, I was referring more to when coaches/managers/generals/... use it as intimidation to get their way without getting buy in. I do agree with you there is fear for jobs, but there is always that in the NFL. With AH being the exception that proves the rule...

Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:24 pm
by TCIYM
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:56 pm
by KCskin
Countertrey wrote:

I consider that a tribute to the competence that Shanahan has historically demonstrated... but you have to remember, this is definitively NOT a players coach. He has demonstrated that he's perfectly willing to slice off one of the team's arms, if he thinks it's best for the team's future... Let's just say that I'm finding him rather "Bellichick" like in terms of his viewing the team as a sum of it's parts (literally) vs a group of players with a unified goal. As they wear out, or show early signs of wear... you trade them in... or discard them.


I appreciate your hopeful outlook, but a guy like Belichick would likely have gotten something for Portis before the season.
Wouldn't have wasted his 2nd and 3rd RB slots on two well known, veteran guys he cut after preseason.
Would Joey Galloway's name have even been mentioned?

Mike's two biggest moves have been McNabb and Haynesworth.
How did that work out compared to Bill's work?
I don't think Bill has shoveled money and draft picks onto the heap in an equal fashion to Shanahan's.

Belichick still answers to a Team President.
Who does Mike answer to?
The brilliant football mind of Dan Snyder.

The situation in DC is not bright and only in whispers comparable to the Patriots.

If you leave a crazed lion free to roam and kill in a preserve, you end up with a lion who has nothing left to eat.
Mike needs somebody to measure his appetite and control his actions.
Proven coach
Unproven personnel manager.

Tough position to be in when you have a good coach who can stabilize your team
but cant' trust as a GM/VP/God Of Football Stuffness
or whatever wack title Dan hands out.

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:42 am
by Red_One43
KCskin wrote:
Countertrey wrote:

I consider that a tribute to the competence that Shanahan has historically demonstrated... but you have to remember, this is definitively NOT a players coach. He has demonstrated that he's perfectly willing to slice off one of the team's arms, if he thinks it's best for the team's future... Let's just say that I'm finding him rather "Bellichick" like in terms of his viewing the team as a sum of it's parts (literally) vs a group of players with a unified goal. As they wear out, or show early signs of wear... you trade them in... or discard them.


I appreciate your hopeful outlook, but a guy like Belichick would likely have gotten something for Portis before the season.
Wouldn't have wasted his 2nd and 3rd RB slots on two well known, veteran guys he cut after preseason.
Would Joey Galloway's name have even been mentioned?

Mike's two biggest moves have been McNabb and Haynesworth.
How did that work out compared to Bill's work?
I don't think Bill has shoveled money and draft picks onto the heap in an equal fashion to Shanahan's.

Belichick still answers to a Team President.
Who does Mike answer to?
The brilliant football mind of Dan Snyder.

The situation in DC is not bright and only in whispers comparable to the Patriots.

If you leave a crazed lion free to roam and kill in a preserve, you end up with a lion who has nothing left to eat.
Mike needs somebody to measure his appetite and control his actions.
Proven coach
Unproven personnel manager.

Tough position to be in when you have a good coach who can stabilize your team
but cant' trust as a GM/VP/God Of Football Stuffness
or whatever wack title Dan hands out.

Profound observations and analogies, KC! We will hope that some of the stuff that has gone on will tame our lion somewhat.

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:57 am
by SkinsJock
despite all the reports - McNabb is still stating that he's just looking to be a plyer here next year :lol:

gotta love it :D

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:28 pm
by KCskin
SkinsJock wrote:despite all the reports - McNabb is still stating that he's just looking to be a plyer here next year :lol:

gotta love it :D

On his 980 ESPN radio show he said the news of his asking for a release to be false.

He hasn't.

But he also said that the odds of his having a Donovan McNabb show on 980 next year was 50/50.

They're up to 50%

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:30 pm
by SkinsJock
I'm not sure that we can keep McNabb but I also don't think that the QB issue is cut and dried either - I don't care if Grossman throws for 300 yards and easily handles the NY defense this week - he's not a good enough QB to be considered a starting QB

Grossman might be back here as the back-up until the next future great QB can get on the field

McNabb is insurance until we can get someone to start here next year

we need a starting QB and right now McNabb is that - Grossman is trying to keep his job as the back-up

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:01 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
SkinsJock wrote:despite all the reports - McNabb is still stating that he's just looking to be a plyer here next year :lol:

gotta love it :D

I agree. The reporting of the whole story by the media has been crap. It's just unbelievable the complete lack of critical minds so many sheep on this site possess.