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Just announced by ESPN 980. Links to follow.

Just saw on twitter that AH has been suspended for the remaining 4 games without pay for conduct detrimental to the team.

Will post a link to an article once I have one.

HUGE!!!!

Shanahan in a statement: "Despite the club's numerous attempts to persuade Albert Haynesworth to abide by the terms of his contract he has repeatedly refused to cooperate with our coaching staff in a variety of ways over an extended period of time."

Listed offenses: refusing to play in base 3-4, or 1st and 2nd-down nickel pkgs & refusal to follow instructions during practice or games.

Also, Haynesworth told Bruce Allen on Monday that he'd no longer speak with Shanahan, according to the team's news release

I'm thru with Shanahan.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Re ... 176820.jsp

The Redskins have suspended defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth without pay for the team’s next four games for conduct detrimental to the club.

Haynesworth was notified of the club’s decision this morning by General Manager Bruce Allen at Redskin Park.

Redskins’ head coach Mike Shanahan issued the following statement:

“Despite the club’s numerous attempts to persuade Albert Haynesworth to abide by the terms of his contract, he has repeatedly refused to cooperate with our coaching staff in a variety of ways over an extended period of time. Among other things, he has consistently indicated to our defensive coaches that he refuses to play in our base defense or on first-down or second-down nickel situations. He has also refused to follow the instructions of our coaches both during weekly practices and during actual games as well.

“Yesterday, when Albert was at Redskin Park, he told our General Manager Bruce Allen that he [Haynesworth] would no longer speak with me. Although suspending any player is not a decision that a head coach enters into lightly, I believe the situation has reached the point where the club clearly has no alternative.”

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Re ... 176820.jsp

The Redskins have suspended defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth without pay for the team’s next four games for conduct detrimental to the club.

Haynesworth was notified of the club’s decision this morning by General Manager Bruce Allen at Redskin Park.

Redskins’ head coach Mike Shanahan issued the following statement:

“Despite the club’s numerous attempts to persuade Albert Haynesworth to abide by the terms of his contract, he has repeatedly refused to cooperate with our coaching staff in a variety of ways over an extended period of time. Among other things, he has consistently indicated to our defensive coaches that he refuses to play in our base defense or on first-down or second-down nickel situations. He has also refused to follow the instructions of our coaches both during weekly practices and during actual games as well.

“Yesterday, when Albert was at Redskin Park, he told our General Manager Bruce Allen that he [Haynesworth] would no longer speak with me. Although suspending any player is not a decision that a head coach enters into lightly, I believe the situation has reached the point where the club clearly has no alternative.”

scooped by 1 min

Bye Albert!!

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm thru with Shanahan.

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Yeah I don't really see why Shanahan is at fault outside of us not doing this a long time ago. Now, i think that if we trade him after the season, we won't really generate any more compensation than we would've earlier this season based off the controversy we already had going on. But this isn't over by any means and we'll all be living it up like it's the best episode of "Days of our Lives."

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm thru with Shanahan.

You're right. Suspend Shanahan and let AH coach the team.

This just wasn't going to work. It seems Albert was more of a distraction/nuisance than we thought.

BTW, how childish is this guy? "I'm mad at Mike, I'm not talking to him any more." Grow up.

blowwad wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm thru with Shanahan.

You're right. Suspend Shanahan and let AH coach the team.

What a stupid comment.

I'm thru with Shanahan b/c this has been a ego contest all along. Both of them. Both of them need to put the ego aside and get this damn team straight, but neither will.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

blowwad wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm thru with Shanahan.

You're right. Suspend Shanahan and let AH coach the team.

What a stupid comment.

I'm thru with Shanahan b/c this has been a ego contest all along. Both of them. Both of them need to put the ego aside and get this damn team straight, but neither will.

So who should? Should Haynesworth? What should the team do if he doesn't? Should they just try their darndest to ignore it?

Should Shanahan? He should just say "Y'know guys pratice is optional, and you don't have to run the plays you don't like?"

In your military expirience, were you ever allowed to question orders? Did you ever have a superior you thought of as "egotistical"? What would have happened to you if you had refused to follow orders simply because you thought your superior was a jerk?

We've had a team where we've been too many chiefs not enough indians for a long time. Shanahan needs to lay down the law. Haynesworth wants to butt heads with the coaches, then he must pay a price. He was hired to be part of a team, not to lead it.

It's the right decision, but to expect this to have any impact on the team is absurd. This wont change a single thing in terms of how the team performs on Sundays.

This might be enough to get me back on the bandwagon.

My only issue is that it wasn't done 10 months ago when AH (fitting initials) mouthed off to Shanahan the first time.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

blowwad wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm thru with Shanahan.

You're right. Suspend Shanahan and let AH coach the team.

What a stupid comment.

I'm thru with Shanahan b/c this has been a ego contest all along. Both of them. Both of them need to put the ego aside and get this damn team straight, but neither will.

This is a football team. A coaches convictions should be what defines the character of the team. I have no problem with the coaches ego taking the alpha position over the entire team. Not fat albert, not london fletcher, not donavan mcnabb, not a single player has the weight to carry his will before the coaching staff. If the staff's scheme doesn't work then the coaches get fired. If the team won't cooperate then the coaching staff needs to toss them to the curb or go down with the ship. Perhaps Shanahan should have dealt with this more strictly earlier but that does not change the dynamic that he souldn't have to deal with butting heads with a diaper toating baby huey. Call the comment stupid if you like, I for one did not expect a whole lot in terms of victories from this season to begin with but I would expect a dude with a $100 million contract to buckle down and do what he's told. I for one will give Shanahan at least a couple more seasons to turn the ship around before jumping into shark infested waters.

CanesSkins26 wrote:It's the right decision, but to expect this to have any impact on the team is absurd. This wont change a single thing in terms of how the team performs on Sundays.

For this year I agree. Going forward though, it's a step inthe right direction. Get it into people's heads that they're here to do as they are told, not whatever they want. Whether it's OTA's, scheme, playcalling, etc...

VetSkinsFan wrote:

blowwad wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm thru with Shanahan.

You're right. Suspend Shanahan and let AH coach the team.

What a stupid comment.

I'm thru with Shanahan b/c this has been a ego contest all along. Both of them. Both of them need to put the ego aside and get this damn team straight, but neither will.

I understand what you are saying, Vet. A good leader knows how to motivate his men to want to do the necessary things to further the cause. This has nothing to do with team discipline, and everything to do with Shanahan saying it's my way or the highway. Discipline and motivation don't need to be mutually exclusive.

Should Shanahan? He should just say "Y'know guys pratice is optional, and you don't have to run the plays you don't like?"

Not, but he should also be putting players in the best position to succeed. Trying to stick a bunch of players that are best suited for a 4-3 into a 3-4 defense is a joke.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Should Shanahan? He should just say "Y'know guys pratice is optional, and you don't have to run the plays you don't like?"

Not, but he should also be putting players in the best position to succeed. Trying to stick a bunch of players that are best suited for a 4-3 into a 3-4 defense is a joke.

The bigger issue Canes is that you don't agree with the switch. That's fine but eitherway, it was happening and there is no way to make the full transition in one year. Sure you can site teams like Green Bay who were successful last year. Their first year but more times than none, it takes a few years to make the change. Keep in mind contracts, available free agents, etc. Rome wasn't built in a day and not that we're Rome or will be but to get there, you have to make the right choices, etc to get to where you want to go.

And you also have to have guys buy in. If they're not willing to buy in, then you need to move on. I've seen it at NC State with Tom O'Brien. Sure fan's have been outraged the past few season because we released players who were talented but they didn't have the character, study habits, etc that he was looking for as a player on the Wolfpack team. And this year, we're turning things around. We've got young players who have stepped up and we're moving up.

Good luck to Albert. Would like to see him here next year but that's only if he fully buys in and is ready to work.

Bob 0119 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

blowwad wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm thru with Shanahan.

You're right. Suspend Shanahan and let AH coach the team.

What a stupid comment.

I'm thru with Shanahan b/c this has been a ego contest all along. Both of them. Both of them need to put the ego aside and get this damn team straight, but neither will.

So who should? Should Haynesworth? What should the team do if he doesn't? Should they just try their darndest to ignore it?

Should Shanahan? He should just say "Y'know guys pratice is optional, and you don't have to run the plays you don't like?"

In your military expirience, were you ever allowed to question orders? Did you ever have a superior you thought of as "egotistical"? What would have happened to you if you had refused to follow orders simply because you thought your superior was a jerk?

We've had a team where we've been too many chiefs not enough indians for a long time. Shanahan needs to lay down the law. Haynesworth wants to butt heads with the coaches, then he must pay a price. He was hired to be part of a team, not to lead it.

first off, this isn't military. and if both parties WERE in fact not following policy, there are agencies that can also put the superior back in line. That option, even if available, isn't being used.

And how is that laying of the law working out? You could use our recor... nope, 1 more win so far isn't iron clad proof. Hey, let's use the defensive rati... nope we're 32nd there, too. I know, it must be on the field in discipi...nope, did you watch the Giants game? Hey, how about that runni... nope, that's horrific too.

I see ZERO progress and I don't see the guys getting on board. I see piss poor tackling. I see lack of talent. I see lack of effort. Two of the three should be able to be rallied by Shanahan and co, but it's not. That's why Shanahan doesn't get any slack with me.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Not, but he should also be putting players in the best position to succeed. Trying to stick a bunch of players that are best suited for a 4-3 into a 3-4 defense is a joke.

What's a joke was our 4-3 defense last year. I've been begging for this team to move to the 3-4 for quite a while. It will take some time tomcgange mentalities and players but I'm a much bigger fan of the 3-4 and always will be.... If it's run properly. Haslet needs to take the training wheels off this thingand get aggressive for it to work.