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You or me or Hanesworth.... He benched him today for missing practice.

Shanny don't give a hoot about criticism (yours or mine)
He don't give a rip about the media....listen to how "rude" he can be
He doesn't give a crap about Fat Al....he'll be gone soon


So let's throw Shanny our best shot....he won't flinch.

High-priced defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth denied he argued with Washington defensive coordinator Jim Haslett after the Redskins scratched him from their game with the Giants on Sunday.

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan made Haynesworth one of his inactives because Haynesworth missed practice on Friday.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... _headlines

tribeofjudah wrote:You or me or Hanesworth.... He benched him today for missing practice.

sooooo... Haynesworth misses practice and gets benched... end of story.

Except that you expect Shanahan to what? Kiss his butt and give him another bonus?

Yeah, once I heard Haynesworth was benched today I looked at my wife and said "well, there goes our shot at the playoffs."

Good riddance to bad rubbish...I think that's the usual phrase.

I still want something for this guy but I doubt that anyone expects him to be here anyway

Shanahan is correct on benching this guy for being late no matter how badly we need his fat rear end on the field - unfortunately nothing anyone can do about helping the fat boy get his priorities right and make a little bit of an effort to help his team

he may be history sooner rather than later

Countertrey wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:You or me or Hanesworth.... He benched him today for missing practice.

sooooo... Haynesworth misses practice and gets benched... end of story.

Except that you expect Shanahan to what? Kiss his butt and give him another bonus?

No not kiss his butt but rather put his best players out there that give him the best chance to win. Did he not say this a million times?

Kilmer72 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:You or me or Hanesworth.... He benched him today for missing practice.

sooooo... Haynesworth misses practice and gets benched... end of story.

Except that you expect Shanahan to what? Kiss his butt and give him another bonus?

No not kiss his butt but rather put his best players out there that give him the best chance to win. Did he not say this a million times?

Haynesworth has told all of us that he does not want to play football. That a game where eleven guys on the field do things they have practiced, things that can't be don't under pressure and against opponents unless they are practiced over and over and over. Haynesworth wants to play some other game. Maybe he wants to be a professional wrestling actor?

welch wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:You or me or Hanesworth.... He benched him today for missing practice.

sooooo... Haynesworth misses practice and gets benched... end of story.

Except that you expect Shanahan to what? Kiss his butt and give him another bonus?

No not kiss his butt but rather put his best players out there that give him the best chance to win. Did he not say this a million times?

Haynesworth has told all of us that he does not want to play football. That a game where eleven guys on the field do things they have practiced, things that can't be don't under pressure and against opponents unless they are practiced over and over and over. Haynesworth wants to play some other game. Maybe he wants to be a professional wrestling actor?

Where did he say he didn't want to play football? He has said he didn't want to play in a 34 but I never heard about this.

Countertrey wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:You or me or Hanesworth.... He benched him today for missing practice.

sooooo... Haynesworth misses practice and gets benched... end of story.

Except that you expect Shanahan to what? Kiss his butt and give him another bonus?

NO...my point is Shanny calls the shots, whether we like it or NOT....end of story. Let's not waste our breath.

"Where did he say he didn't want to play football? He has said he didn't want to play in a 34 but I never heard about this."

Football is a game of eleven against eleven. Haynesworth doesn't want to practice, and did not prepare for the season. That says, to me, that he does not want to be one of the eleven. That's why I jked that maybe he wants to play in some game that have one player to a side...wrestling is about all he's fit for.

Bob 0119 wrote:Yeah, once I heard Haynesworth was benched today I looked at my wife and said "well, there goes our shot at the playoffs."

You're kidding, right? I could toss out the benching of McNabb or the 1st play of the Eagle game or back up even further for when our shot at the playoffs disappeared.

I heard the most meaningful thing I've heard about Fat Al yet on the radio today: "He doesn't love football." It's that simple. Reminds me of a guy we once had named Westbrook.

DarthMonk

or Thomas, who played his arse off today on Special Teams, yet we couldn't use him. hmmmm.

tribeofjudah wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:You or me or Hanesworth.... He benched him today for missing practice.

sooooo... Haynesworth misses practice and gets benched... end of story.

Except that you expect Shanahan to what? Kiss his butt and give him another bonus?

NO...my point is Shanny calls the shots, whether we like it or NOT....end of story. Let's not waste our breath.

Have you just realized this? Also, you don't think they should run the team based on fan consensus do you?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:You or me or Hanesworth.... He benched him today for missing practice.

sooooo... Haynesworth misses practice and gets benched... end of story.

Except that you expect Shanahan to what? Kiss his butt and give him another bonus?

NO...my point is Shanny calls the shots, whether we like it or NOT....end of story. Let's not waste our breath.

Have you just realized this? Also, you don't think they should run the team based on fan consensus do you?

No...just a friendly rehash-reminder. All our opinions of how to win and how to run this team is all for naught. Everyone, just stop playing GM or head coach.........

tribeofjudah wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:NO...my point is Shanny calls the shots, whether we like it or NOT....end of story. Let's not waste our breath.

Have you just realized this? Also, you don't think they should run the team based on fan consensus do you?

No...just a friendly rehash-reminder. All our opinions of how to win and how to run this team is all for naught. Everyone, just stop playing GM or head coach.........

Why would we stop playing GM or head coach? What's wrong with just expressing opinions and exchanging ideas for what it's worth? Why are the only choices that we have to expect that professionals with inside information do what we think or we should stop because it's futile?

Champsturf wrote:or Thomas, who played his arse off today on Special Teams, yet we couldn't use him. hmmmm.

You seriously think he would have been a contributor here?

I don't think he would have been less useful than Roydell Williams or Galloway who's now gone.

This is what really gets to me about the whole tone of this discussion:

For years — years, as in going on a decade — I've heard critique after critique of the Redskins that revolve around discipline, heart, and playing like a team. Every year, everyone is falling over themselves to be the first to talk about how this is a team of me-firsts, from Snyder down through the highly paid free agents. Everyone thinks they are being original when they talk about how the Redskins care more about making PR splashes than winning on the field. We've heard it all before about twenty times over. Nothing ever seems to change. It's very frustrating.

But every once in a while, we see just a speck of light on the horizon. Someone comes into the organization and brings with him the kind of discipline and team-first attitude that it takes to become a successful football franchise. Personally I've always been impressed by those men who were willing to do it, but they seem to catch as much flak as any other yes-man that we've had to suffer as Redskins fans. Endless criticisms that come from people who just seem incapable of seeing the big picture.

First it was Schotty, then Gibbs, and now it's Shanahan. My god, I can only imagine how much worse off we'd be in the Haynesworth situation with Cerrato as GM and a puppet head coach with Snyder pulling the strings. Do you honestly think Snyder is happy that his $100 million dollar man is riding the bench for missing practice? Do you think that would ever have flown in a Jim Zorn-led team?

Shanahan has brought with him a new standard for what it means to be a professional football player. It means you don't stick around just because you were Snyder's personal pick in the draft (Campbell); it means you don't put yourself before the team, no matter who you are or how much you're getting paid (Haynesworth); it means you can't count on a starting spot just because there are a bunch of no-name UFAs below you (Thomas and Kelly); it means you will be held to the same standard as everyone else (Haynesworth); it means that poor performance in practice or games or a bad work ethic will get you benched or cut (Haynesworth, Thomas, Kelly, Dockery, Galloway).

Isn't that exactly the kind of thing we've been asking for as fans? And yet when Shanahan stands up for what he believes in, someone starts a thread talking about how Shanahan doesn't care about "us" because he benched Haynesworth and didn't suck up to the media. Well I'd ask that you speak for yourself, because in my opinion that's exactly what caring about me, as a fan, looks like.

Irn-Bru wrote:This is what really gets to me about the whole tone of this discussion:

For years — years, as in going on a decade — I've heard critique after critique of the Redskins that revolve around discipline, heart, and playing like a team. Every year, everyone is falling over themselves to be the first to talk about how this is a team of me-firsts, from Snyder down through the highly paid free agents. Everyone thinks they are being original when they talk about how the Redskins care more about making PR splashes than winning on the field. We've heard it all before about twenty times over. Nothing ever seems to change. It's very frustrating.

But every once in a while, we see just a speck of light on the horizon. Someone comes into the organization and brings with him the kind of discipline and team-first attitude that it takes to become a successful football franchise. Personally I've always been impressed by those men who were willing to do it, but they seem to catch as much flak as any other yes-man that we've had to suffer as Redskins fans. Endless criticisms that come from people who just seem incapable of seeing the big picture.

First it was Schotty, then Gibbs, and now it's Shanahan. My god, I can only imagine how much worse off we'd be in the Haynesworth situation with Cerrato as GM and a puppet head coach with Snyder pulling the strings. Do you honestly think Snyder is happy that his $100 million dollar man is riding the bench for missing practice? Do you think that would ever have flown in a Jim Zorn-led team?

Shanahan has brought with him a new standard for what it means to be a professional football player. It means you don't stick around just because you were Snyder's personal pick in the draft (Campbell); it means you don't put yourself before the team, no matter who you are or how much you're getting paid (Haynesworth); it means you can't count on a starting spot just because there are a bunch of no-name UFAs below you (Thomas and Kelly); it means you will be held to the same standard as everyone else (Haynesworth); it means that poor performance in practice or games or a bad work ethic will get you benched or cut (Haynesworth, Thomas, Kelly, Dockery, Galloway).

Isn't that exactly the kind of thing we've been asking for as fans? And yet when Shanahan stands up for what he believes in, someone starts a thread talking about how Shanahan doesn't care about "us" because he benched Haynesworth and didn't suck up to the media. Well I'd ask that you speak for yourself, because in my opinion that's exactly what caring about me, as a fan, looks like.

Amen to that. My thoughts exactly. It's going to take time to build the lines and get good, hungry young skill players in our B&G. Hail!

Irn-Bru wrote:This is what really gets to me about the whole tone of this discussion:

For years — years, as in going on a decade — I've heard critique after critique of the Redskins that revolve around discipline, heart, and playing like a team. Every year, everyone is falling over themselves to be the first to talk about how this is a team of me-firsts, from Snyder down through the highly paid free agents. Everyone thinks they are being original when they talk about how the Redskins care more about making PR splashes than winning on the field. We've heard it all before about twenty times over. Nothing ever seems to change. It's very frustrating.

But every once in a while, we see just a speck of light on the horizon. Someone comes into the organization and brings with him the kind of discipline and team-first attitude that it takes to become a successful football franchise. Personally I've always been impressed by those men who were willing to do it, but they seem to catch as much flak as any other yes-man that we've had to suffer as Redskins fans. Endless criticisms that come from people who just seem incapable of seeing the big picture.

First it was Schotty, then Gibbs, and now it's Shanahan. My god, I can only imagine how much worse off we'd be in the Haynesworth situation with Cerrato as GM and a puppet head coach with Snyder pulling the strings. Do you honestly think Snyder is happy that his $100 million dollar man is riding the bench for missing practice? Do you think that would ever have flown in a Jim Zorn-led team?

Shanahan has brought with him a new standard for what it means to be a professional football player. It means you don't stick around just because you were Snyder's personal pick in the draft (Campbell); it means you don't put yourself before the team, no matter who you are or how much you're getting paid (Haynesworth); it means you can't count on a starting spot just because there are a bunch of no-name UFAs below you (Thomas and Kelly); it means you will be held to the same standard as everyone else (Haynesworth); it means that poor performance in practice or games or a bad work ethic will get you benched or cut (Haynesworth, Thomas, Kelly, Dockery, Galloway).

Isn't that exactly the kind of thing we've been asking for as fans? And yet when Shanahan stands up for what he believes in, someone starts a thread talking about how Shanahan doesn't care about "us" because he benched Haynesworth and didn't suck up to the media. Well I'd ask that you speak for yourself, because in my opinion that's exactly what caring about me, as a fan, looks like.

+1

I don't really care if Shanny blows it up and start fresh.....it's his team. Actually, it might be just what the doctor ordered.

Shanahan doesn't have the patience to go through the rebuilding process that this team needs, and that's the problem.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Shanahan doesn't have the patience to go through the rebuilding process that this team needs, and that's the problem.

How do you know that?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Shanahan doesn't have the patience to go through the rebuilding process that this team needs, and that's the problem.

How do you know that?

If you are willing to go through a full rebuild you don't trade multiple picks for McNabb and Brown. That makes zero sense because it takes away from the draft picks that you need to actually rebuild. You don't play Joey Galloway over younger receivers if you are rebuilding (heck, you don't even sign Galloway if you are rebuilding) and you don't rely heavily on guys like Daniels, Holliday, etc. over younger guys like Jarmon.

In addition, if you look back at Shanahan's tenure in Denver he clearly preferred playing veterans over younger players. You can argue otherwise, but I have seen very little from Shanahan that shows that he is committed to the rebuilding this team instead of trying to do a quick fix.

Another example...Will Montgomery actually played well and showed some promise in the Titans game playing center. Why wasn't he starting against the Vikings? Instead 85 year old Rabach was at center.