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Bottom Line
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:58 pm
by northcarolinaredskin
Nothing is going to change until Snyder is out of here. Point Blank. Period. So the finger shouldnt be pointed at anyone else but him.
Re: Bottom Line
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:59 pm
by VetSkinsFan
northcarolinaredskin wrote:Nothing is going to change until Snyder is out of here. Point Blank. Period. So the finger shouldnt be pointed at anyone else but him.
I beg to differ. Period.
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:02 pm
by northcarolinaredskin
No reason to pick fights. Then who do you believe the finger should be pointed at since your so certain.
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:09 pm
by MDSKINSFAN
A year ago I would have agreed. He is never going to sell the team so I've kind of accepted that. He did what we asked and as far as we can tell he has kept his hands off personnel and football operations. I'll give this regime some time to repair the damage done by Danny and Vinny before I come to the conclusion that we are just cursed as long as Snyder is here.
I now only have 1 more thing to ask for: Put a stadium in D.C. and blow up that concrete bowl in Landover.
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:12 pm
by VetSkinsFan
northcarolinaredskin wrote:No reason to pick fights. Then who do you believe the finger should be pointed at since your so certain.
I believe it's a concerted effort. And I don't think Snyder has done as bad as years past. Is he the model NFL owner? No, but I think that with time, he'll continue to step back. It's not as if he's Al Davis.
I think Snyder wants the Redskins to win and when he finally got control, he got fantasy happy. I think those fantasy days are behind him and that things will slowly but surely get better.
I think it's silly how some people can blame Snyder for bad draft picks and then praise Shanahan/Allen for good players in the exact same draft.
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:20 pm
by chiefhog44
VetSkinsFan wrote:northcarolinaredskin wrote:No reason to pick fights. Then who do you believe the finger should be pointed at since your so certain.
I believe it's a concerted effort. And I don't think Snyder has done as bad as years past. Is he the model NFL owner? No, but I think that with time, he'll continue to step back. It's not as if he's Al Davis.
I think Snyder wants the Redskins to win and when he finally got control, he got fantasy happy. I think those fantasy days are behind him and that things will slowly but surely get better.
I think it's silly how some people can blame Snyder for bad draft picks and then praise Shanahan/Allen for good players in the exact same draft.
Agree 100%
Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:36 pm
by riggofan
How can anybody look at Snyder this year and complain about him?
Seriously, I've been as big a Snyder hater as anybody the past decade, but you have to give him some credit. He got rid of Zorn, got rid of Vinny, hired a real coach, hired a real GM and by all accounts has taken himself out of the player management processs. What more do you want from him? He's supposed to suit up and tackle Favre on crucial 3d down plays now too?
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:52 am
by LORD GIBBS
I agree 100% with Riggo what the hell do you all want? Its not even 1 season give this time we all knew that this would take time to fix. Thank you Danny for getting a good coach and a real GM and signing them checks. Better times are coming
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:05 am
by langleyparkjoe
This is my kinda thread...
Danny is blameless in this.. it feels good to say actually.. Danny is blameless!!! hahahahahhaa...
Naw seriously, give it some time and let our GM/HC do their jobs and bring in some new talent (hopefully young and eager to learn). As fans we want it now (who more than me???) but realistically it'll take a couple years so just stay patient and we'll be on top again.
.. but for now, I say 10-6 with the hardest push ever!!!!!
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:11 am
by northcarolinaredskin
All of this support is great and I am the one who started this thread. You guys are right 100% my bad hahaha.
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:24 am
by El Mexican
That Snyder dude emanates some negative aura. No way else to explain the dozens of games we have lost during the past decade by 4 points or less. It's almost absurd.
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:40 pm
by skins2357
People forget that when Gibbs came back, he inherited a terrible team and was 5-11 the 1st year. The second year I believe we made the playoffs.
This is Shannys 1st year and he inherited a TERRIBLE team. Give him time and lets see what happens. The worst thing Danny boy has ever done is buy all those overpriced bums in the past, not because of their play but bc of the expectations it started putting in peoples heads. WE ARE NOT A GOOD TEAM YET, PEOPLE STOP EXPECTING HIM TO PERFORM MIRACLES WITH THIS ROSTER!!!!!
Re: Bottom Line
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:15 pm
by Irn-Bru
northcarolinaredskin wrote:Nothing is going to change until Snyder is out of here. Point Blank. Period. So the finger shouldnt be pointed at anyone else but him.
This may be true, but it should be noted that our team has improved quite a bit from last year. I personally think we have a chance with Shanahan and Allen. (Just maybe not Haseltt.
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Re: Bottom Line
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:20 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
northcarolinaredskin wrote:Nothing is going to change until Snyder is out of here. Point Blank. Period. So the finger shouldnt be pointed at anyone else but him.
You're right. And since he's in his 40s he's going to own the team another 40 years, so go ahead and find another one and save yourself 40 years of aggravation. Oh, and us 40 years of aggravation too...
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:18 pm
by skinpride1
The real question is how long will it take Shanny and Bruce to get tired of him?
I'm not sold on the whole I'm going to let Shanny and Bruce run things.
A Leopard doesn't change it's spots!!!
So until I see a change that can stick for more than 3 years than I might start being convinced then.
Until then I still think he will be the same ole Danny Boy.
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:29 pm
by SKINFAN
VetSkinsFan wrote:northcarolinaredskin wrote:No reason to pick fights. Then who do you believe the finger should be pointed at since your so certain.
I believe it's a concerted effort. And I don't think Snyder has done as bad as years past. Is he the model NFL owner? No, but I think that with time, he'll continue to step back. It's not as if he's Al Davis.
I think Snyder wants the Redskins to win and when he finally got control, he got fantasy happy. I think those fantasy days are behind him and that things will slowly but surely get better.
I think it's silly how some people can blame Snyder for bad draft picks and then praise Shanahan/Allen for good players in the exact same draft.
Well said, I agree.
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:33 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
skinpride1 wrote:I'm not sold on the whole I'm going to let Shanny and Bruce run things
That's because it's preposterous. It's made up by people who hate Danny and know nothing about business. It would never work, it's ludicrous. No owner would, or should, turn over final decision making authority to anyone. You have to have a good staff and trust them. They need to be empowered to make decisions within the system and their scope of responsibility. But in the end the owner writes the checks and has the final say over the organizational objectives.
Danny is a bad manager and he needs to learn to manage better. The whole turning the reins over thing is preposterous. He doesn't need to be the expert in football, he just needs to learn to manage people who do. I own a design and print business as well as a restaurant. Last year I owned a childcare drop in center. I spent my career in management and management consulting working in financial services, energy, pharmaceutical, clothing retail and a variety of other businesses. I can't do the job of the people who work for my design firm, I don't need to. But I do need to be able to manage them. I trust their input in things they know that I don't, but I don't "hand the reins" over, and I never should.
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:31 pm
by skinpride1
KazooSkinsFan wrote:skinpride1 wrote:I'm not sold on the whole I'm going to let Shanny and Bruce run things
That's because it's preposterous. It's made up by people who hate Danny and know nothing about business. It would never work, it's ludicrous. No owner would, or should, turn over final decision making authority to anyone. You have to have a good staff and trust them. They need to be empowered to make decisions within the system and their scope of responsibility. But in the end the owner writes the checks and has the final say over the organizational objectives.
Danny is a bad manager and he needs to learn to manage better. The whole turning the reins over thing is preposterous. He doesn't need to be the expert in football, he just needs to learn to manage people who do. I own a design and print business as well as a restaurant. Last year I owned a childcare drop in center. I spent my career in management and management consulting working in financial services, energy, pharmaceutical, clothing retail and a variety of other businesses. I can't do the job of the people who work for my design firm, I don't need to. But I do need to be able to manage them. I trust their input in things they know that I don't, but I don't "hand the reins" over, and I never should.
I'm not saying they are running the whole franchise from top to bottom. Only the football operations but Danny will be Danny. You guys are funny.
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:41 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
skinpride1 wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:skinpride1 wrote:I'm not sold on the whole I'm going to let Shanny and Bruce run things
That's because it's preposterous. It's made up by people who hate Danny and know nothing about business. It would never work, it's ludicrous. No owner would, or should, turn over final decision making authority to anyone. You have to have a good staff and trust them. They need to be empowered to make decisions within the system and their scope of responsibility. But in the end the owner writes the checks and has the final say over the organizational objectives.
Danny is a bad manager and he needs to learn to manage better. The whole turning the reins over thing is preposterous. He doesn't need to be the expert in football, he just needs to learn to manage people who do. I own a design and print business as well as a restaurant. Last year I owned a childcare drop in center. I spent my career in management and management consulting working in financial services, energy, pharmaceutical, clothing retail and a variety of other businesses. I can't do the job of the people who work for my design firm, I don't need to. But I do need to be able to manage them. I trust their input in things they know that I don't, but I don't "hand the reins" over, and I never should.
I'm not saying they are running the whole franchise from top to bottom. Only the football operations but Danny will be Danny. You guys are funny.
A distinction without a difference. You said he needs to let Bruce and Shanny "run" things. It's that mutual exclusivity that I'm mocking and your reply isn't getting. They work together to "run things." You still think he does his thing and they do theirs. Not how it works or would ever work. I said he's a bad manager. It's that portrayal of letting them run things I'm saying makes no sense and you can laugh all you want, it still doesn't. He has to learn to manage, not stay out of it.
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:49 pm
by lowtharofthehill
I think fans in general have become too critical of their sports teams. No teams will win all the time and be good all the time. There need to be good and bad teams. No team stays bad forever, ie the Saints.
Football is only for our entertainment. Sometimes its good entertainment and sometimes its bad. I think more fans need to be pleased with regular season wins and not always get so upset just because we don't win the superbowl every year.
Cheer up fans! We beat dallas and Eagles this year. That is entertaining for me. I also find myself getting too down on the team and too critical of it. Need to keep things in perspective.
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:20 am
by VetSkinsFan
KazooSkinsFan wrote:skinpride1 wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:skinpride1 wrote:I'm not sold on the whole I'm going to let Shanny and Bruce run things
That's because it's preposterous. It's made up by people who hate Danny and know nothing about business. It would never work, it's ludicrous. No owner would, or should, turn over final decision making authority to anyone. You have to have a good staff and trust them. They need to be empowered to make decisions within the system and their scope of responsibility. But in the end the owner writes the checks and has the final say over the organizational objectives.
Danny is a bad manager and he needs to learn to manage better. The whole turning the reins over thing is preposterous. He doesn't need to be the expert in football, he just needs to learn to manage people who do. I own a design and print business as well as a restaurant. Last year I owned a childcare drop in center. I spent my career in management and management consulting working in financial services, energy, pharmaceutical, clothing retail and a variety of other businesses. I can't do the job of the people who work for my design firm, I don't need to. But I do need to be able to manage them. I trust their input in things they know that I don't, but I don't "hand the reins" over, and I never should.
I'm not saying they are running the whole franchise from top to bottom. Only the football operations but Danny will be Danny. You guys are funny.
A distinction without a difference. You said he needs to let Bruce and Shanny "run" things. It's that mutual exclusivity that I'm mocking and your reply isn't getting. They work together to "run things." You still think he does his thing and they do theirs. Not how it works or would ever work. I said he's a bad manager. It's that portrayal of letting them run things I'm saying makes no sense and you can laugh all you want, it still doesn't. He has to learn to manage, not stay out of it.
So what you're getting at is ShanAllen are puppets and NOT brought in for their football knowledge and expertise. That Snyder isn't using people in specific positions in their area of expertise; he's running all facets of the team, even though he's not the most knowledgeable man in camp to do it.
For example, my VP isn't running the logistics b/c that's not his area of expertise. He may have an umbrella effect on policy and guidance in general, but he's not running the logistics specifically (my area of exertise). That's why they brought me and my team in here, to do the logistics.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that Danny has ZERO input, but I highly doubt that he's sitting back dictating to ShanAllen and they're yes men in stereo.
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:31 am
by KazooSkinsFan
Kazoo wrote:You have to have a good staff and trust them. They need to be empowered to make decisions within the system and their scope of responsibility. But in the end the owner writes the checks and has the final say over the organizational objectives.
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He doesn't need to be the expert in football, he just needs to learn to manage people who do.
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They work together to "run things."
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...He has to learn to manage, not stay out of it.
VetSkinsFan wrote:So what you're getting at is ShanAllen are puppets and NOT brought in for their football knowledge and expertise. That Snyder isn't using people in specific positions in their area of expertise; he's running all facets of the team, even though he's not the most knowledgeable man in camp to do it
Um...yeah Vet. That's what I said...
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:57 am
by VetSkinsFan
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Kazoo wrote:You have to have a good staff and trust them. They need to be empowered to make decisions within the system and their scope of responsibility. But in the end the owner writes the checks and has the final say over the organizational objectives.
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He doesn't need to be the expert in football, he just needs to learn to manage people who do.
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They work together to "run things."
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...He has to learn to manage, not stay out of it.
VetSkinsFan wrote:So what you're getting at is ShanAllen are puppets and NOT brought in for their football knowledge and expertise. That Snyder isn't using people in specific positions in their area of expertise; he's running all facets of the team, even though he's not the most knowledgeable man in camp to do it
Um...yeah Vet. That's what I said...
KazooSkinsFan wrote:You still think he does his thing and they do theirs. Not how it works or would ever work.
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:51 am
by KazooSkinsFan
VetSkinsFan wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:Kazoo wrote:You have to have a good staff and trust them. They need to be empowered to make decisions within the system and their scope of responsibility. But in the end the owner writes the checks and has the final say over the organizational objectives.
...
He doesn't need to be the expert in football, he just needs to learn to manage people who do.
...
They work together to "run things."
...
...He has to learn to manage, not stay out of it.
VetSkinsFan wrote:So what you're getting at is ShanAllen are puppets and NOT brought in for their football knowledge and expertise. That Snyder isn't using people in specific positions in their area of expertise; he's running all facets of the team, even though he's not the most knowledgeable man in camp to do it
Um...yeah Vet. That's what I said...
KazooSkinsFan wrote:You still think he does his thing and they do theirs. Not how it works or would ever work.
Dude, your quote supports my point and contradicts yours. My point, which I kept repeating, was that it's not mutually exclusive. Danny doesn't run it alone and Bruce and Shanny don't run it alone. There is no "turning over the reins." All the quotes in my list above repeat the same point you just quoted me on again. They have to work together.
You said even more extremely I'm saying it's Danny, only Danny, that's what I'm saying. Then you provided yet ANOTHER quote of quote of me saying no, it's Danny AND Bruce and Shanny. That completely contradicts your statement I'm saying it's only Danny. Thanks for the assist on that...
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:18 pm
by skinpride1
Sorry Kazoo but you are not making much sense on this one.
Danny Boy tried to run things and failed miserably. Vinny was his Puppet and Yes man. Jim Zorn was his Yes sir coach. How did that work out?
Of course Danny communicates with Shanny and Allen but the Two should do all the football (especially when it comes to players and coaches ) operations and decision making, not Danny because he is not qualified for that job and has proven over the last decade he is not.
It's well known Danny wanted to be just like Jerry Jones and run his show but after a decade of failing at every level.. I think he is finally trying another approach. Am I sold on the fact? Danny can stay out of the way and let Shanny and Allen do there job? ........HELL NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
That's why I'm afraid in three years they will be gone and we will be back in rebuild mode again because Danny just can't stay out of the way.
The only manager skills Danny really needs is to... Manage to stay the hell out of the football operations!!! and worry about the marketing end of things. Go do more Papa John pizza commercials ......Perfect Job for the Munchkin! Anything but make football decisions.
Good Day and peace out!!