The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era

I'm surprised no one has posted about this yet. Overall, I thought they did a good job distilling thousands of candidates down to just 100 players. In the beginning I was sure that it was really going to leave out a lot of the older guys, and be too heavily weighted to the modern era, but I was wrong. I was very surprised by the choice of Jerry Rice as the #1 player of all time, not because I don't think he was great, but because I was sure that honor would go to Jim Brown. I think there was way too much emphasis put on players who made the media spotlight, and not enough on guys who just showed up and played great football week in and week out, but you couldn't really expect anything else. There are way too many Cowpies ( 8 ) on the list and not nearly enough Redskins ( 2 ), and Peyton Manning at #8 is a joke, but I still think they did a pretty good job. Anyway, here is the final list.

There are actually 3... for some reason, they insist on Huff as a Giant... though Huff himself considers himself a Skin to the core... after all, it was Huff that called a time out to get the field goal team in to add just a little more humiliation in the worst defeat ever suffered by the Giants.

The writers are all in New York, so I imagine that's key.

OTOH, it was, largely, the genius of Vince Lombardi, a defensive coach with the Giants at the time of Huff's rookie season, that yielded Huff's incredible career as a MLB... he was drafted as a guard (and was a pretty good one, at that)... but was converted to MLB by someone in Giants land...

I'm a bit surprised about the ranking of some of the players in relation to others. One that stood out was Staubach (#46) bejind Gonzalez (#45). As much as I hate the cowboys, I think Staubach was a much more impactful player than Gonzalez has been so far.

Top 3 all time names go to

Bronko Nagurski
Night Train Lane
Crazylegs Hirsch

I love those names...kind makes "Ocho Cinco" sound kinda queer, huh?

Countertrey wrote:There are actually 3... for some reason, they insist on Huff as a Giant... though Huff himself considers himself a Skin to the core... after all, it was Huff that called a time out to get the field goal team in to add just a little more humiliation in the worst defeat ever suffered by the Giants.

The writers are all in New York, so I imagine that's key.

OTOH, it was, largely, the genius of Vince Lombardi, a defensive coach with the Giants at the time of Huff's rookie season, that yielded Huff's incredible career as a MLB... he was drafted as a guard (and was a pretty good one, at that)... but was converted to MLB by someone in Giants land...

They just listed the team with which the player broke into the league. There are several others on the list that played some seasons with the Skins.

I was very surprised by the choice of Jerry Rice as the #1 player of all time, not because I don't think he was great, but because I was sure that honor would go to Jim Brown.

If I had to guess I would bet they went Rice over Brown because he played twice as long. Like you though I'm surprised that Brown wasn't #1. I would actually probably put Taylor over Rice too.

My only real problem with the list is that Emmitt Smith is way too high and Steve Young is way too low.

CanesSkins26 wrote:My only real problem with the list is that Emmitt Smith is way too high and Steve Young is way too low.

Agreed. And Michael Irvin shouldn't be on there at all.

OMG!!! How did Rod Gardner NOT get the #1 spot?????

Deion Sanders and Darrell Green were too low. I would think that one or both of those guys is in the Top 25.

Hard to really argue with the list because they are all so great. I think that Michael Irvin is the most over rated receiver in history. Not to say he wasn't good, he was. But, if this is a Top 100 list, theres little justification for him being there and T.O. isn't.

And maybe my biggest shock. How is Jim Kelly not on this list, when Kurt Warner is?

The Hogster wrote:And maybe my biggest shock. How is Jim Kelly not on this list, when Kurt Warner is?

I don't know the numbers/stats comparison but 1-1 in the SB may outweigh 0-4? Maybe?

The Hogster wrote:And maybe my biggest shock. How is Jim Kelly not on this list, when Kurt Warner is?

Kurt Warner is far more deserving than Kelly, and this is coming from a Miami alumni.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:And maybe my biggest shock. How is Jim Kelly not on this list, when Kurt Warner is?

Kurt Warner is far more deserving than Kelly, and this is coming from a Miami alumni.

True, Jim Kelly lost 4 Superbowls, but he also got to 4 Superbowls. I just don't subscribe to the school of thought that penalizes an individual player in an individual ranking, for not reaching a team goal.

For example, Horace Grant won several Championships, but he's not better than Charles Barkley in my opinion.

Jim Kelly was a 4 or 5 time Pro Bowler and a 1 time All Pro during an era where guys like Montana, Elway, Steve Young, and Marino were playing. Kurt Warner was not even the starter at the beginning of the year that his team won the Superbowl. Granted, he is a great player, but I think Jim Kelly's individual body of work is greater than or equal to his. Especially when Scott (Wide Left) Norwood cost him a Ring. Just seems that if Norwood made that kick, he'd be on the list, but him missing isn't his fault nor does it take away from his career as a QB.

@Caneskins - I'm not sure I would say "far" more. Is Randy Moss' case for being on there "far" more compelling than T.O.'s? Because this list left him off too. I think it's a good list, but there are a couple of head scratchers....like Brett Favre being so far ahead of Steve Young.

I missed most of this series, unfortunately.

Who was the other Redskin to make the list?
(I know Sammy made it.)

The Hogster wrote::lol: True, Jim Kelly lost 4 Superbowls, but he also got to 4 Superbowls. I just don't subscribe to the school of thought that penalizes an individual player in an individual ranking, for not reaching a team goal

I totally agree with you on this. No insult to Warner, but what he did doesn't approach Kelly doing it 4 straight years. It was nothing to do with his skill Norwood missed or he'd have won one as well.

The Hogster wrote:there are a couple of head scratchers....like Brett Favre being so far ahead of Steve Young.

Steve Young was a great quarterback, but Favre is amazing and still doing it in his 40s. You look at that and his consecutive game streak and he should be ahead of Young. His biggest knock is that forces more then Young did, hence the INT's. I couldn't argue too strongly, but it seems right they're both in it but Favre is ahead.

Rykker wrote:I missed most of this series, unfortunately.

Who was the other Redskin to make the list?
(I know Sammy made it.)

Sir Speedy, Darryl Green.

Thanks, Kazoo.

Countertrey wrote:There are actually 3... for some reason, they insist on Huff as a Giant... .

There was an article this weekend in the Raleigh News and Observer with the headline:

"Huff to remain a Giant"



Only it was Aubrey and San Francisco...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:There are actually 3... for some reason, they insist on Huff as a Giant... .

There was an article this weekend in the Raleigh News and Observer with the headline:

"Huff to remain a Giant"



Only it was Aubrey and San Francisco...

Sammy Baugh has to be #1 player of All Time. Excelled playing Offense, Defense and Punting. No one else comes close.

SKINS#1 wrote:Sammy Baugh has to be #1 player of All Time. Excelled playing Offense, Defense and Punting. No one else comes close.

and, obtw, still holds at least one punting record...

I agree with Jerry rice being #1 he has done things no one will ever be able to touch. he or Don Hutson.

I wrote this link regarding the top list: http://bit.ly/f9gWMX

littlekid137 wrote:I agree with Jerry rice being #1 he has done things no one will ever be able to touch. he or Don Hutson.

I wrote this link regarding the top list: http://bit.ly/f9gWMX

Charley Taylor was a better receiver, and better player. For evidence, I'll dig up the NFL video of Taylor as all-pro and rookie of the year at RB, behind no line, and then Taylor as the "nuclear weapon" of WR's: Bigger, faster, tougher than any WR, great hands, and, wow, a killer of a runner once he got the ball. Rice had good numbers because he played in an era when the rules were relaxed to favor receiver, and, more important, because he didn't have to play the Giants, the Cowboys, the Eagles, and the Redskins twice a year. Rice's 49ers walked through the regular season; never had to take the beatiing that was typical in the NFC East.