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It seems Dmac is not good with homework...not good with studying...not an A+ student. More drama in DC.

(Rotoworld) Per ESPN's Chris Mortensen, Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan had to cut the playbook in half in order for Donovan McNabb to learn it. Analysis: It doesn't end there. McNabb reportedly struggles with calling plays in the huddle from the abridged playbook. It's rare that stories of this nature leak out about such high profile quarterbacks, and it's another signal that Shanahan and McNabb won't be working together in the future. As for this season, things look just as murky.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-offense/

It's amazing how 1 stupid decision leads to all of this drama.

Ugh. When will it all end?

It seems like most everyone (including myself) on here is in agreement that Shannahan was in the wrong for pulling McNabb at the end of the game. Most are also pissed for him using what amounted to three different excuses as to why. I'm am apparently in the minority when it comes to being pissed about Shannahan lying saying that we don't really know what is going on within the locker room, so who cares what is said to the public. This entire thing has been played out over and over in other threads so let's just let this rest as where we are now.

Let's just say this tidbit from Mort is true, and McNabb only has half the playbook. With that in mind, do you still feel like it was a bad call to take McNabb out of the game? Here's why I can see a development here to consider. Let's just say that Kyle saw something that he wanted to exploit, but when called, the play was changed or whatever was happening in the huddle last week because McNabb didn't know the play that was called. The switch was made to Rex so that the rest of the playbook was opened up. Shannahan was interviewed after the game and he said that Rex gave us the best chance to win in that situation. The next day was damage control (or a poor attempt at it) by blaming it on other factors to protect McNabb. They didn't want McNabb to get clobbered by DC media for (what Ray calls) being stupid, so they make all this other stuff up and just throw up a huge smoke screen. They still feel like long term that McNabb is their guy, thus why he is still starting next week, but it's going to take a much longer time frame for him to learn the offense than they originally thought. Now a source (probably someone from the organization who is protecting Shannahan) floats this out there for explaination.

I know some or most in here will say, that's a far fetched idea, but let's just look logically at it for a second and agree that it COULD explain last weeks drama, and if this was the reason...do you still disagree with the decision to pull him?

chiefhog44 wrote:It seems like most everyone (including myself) on here is in agreement that Shannahan was in the wrong for pulling McNabb at the end of the game. Most are also pissed for him using what amounted to three different excuses as to why. I'm am apparently in the minority when it comes to being pissed about Shannahan lying saying that we don't really know what is going on within the locker room, so who cares what is said to the public. This entire thing has been played out over and over in other threads so let's just let this rest as where we are now.

Let's just say this tidbit from Mort is true, and McNabb only has half the playbook. With that in mind, do you still feel like it was a bad call to take McNabb out of the game? Here's why I can see a development here to consider. Let's just say that Kyle saw something that he wanted to exploit, but when called, the play was changed or whatever was happening in the huddle last week because McNabb didn't know the play that was called. The switch was made to Rex so that the rest of the playbook was opened up. Shannahan was interviewed after the game and he said that Rex gave us the best chance to win in that situation. The next day was damage control (or a poor attempt at it) by blaming it on other factors to protect McNabb. They didn't want McNabb to get clobbered by DC media for (what Ray calls) being stupid, so they make all this other stuff up and just throw up a huge smoke screen. They still feel like long term that McNabb is their guy, thus why he is still starting next week, but it's going to take a much longer time frame for him to learn the offense than they originally thought. Now a source (probably someone from the organization who is protecting Shannahan) floats this out there for explaination.

I know some or most in here will say, that's a far fetched idea, but let's just look logically at it for a second and agree that it COULD explain last weeks drama, and if this was the reason...do you still disagree with the decision to pull him?

Yes I still disagree. I am sitting here watching Vick who spend a couple of years in the pen have no problem with Phillys West Coast playbook. But McNabb who has been a producer in the league forever just can't get Shannys playbook?
Don't think so. Something doesn't add up in all of this.

Yes I still disagree. I am sitting here watching Vick who spend a couple of years in the pen have no problem with Phillys West Coast playbook. But McNabb who has been a producer in the league forever just can't get Shannys playbook?
Don't think so. Something doesn't add up in all of this.

True, But this is Vick's second year in that system.

Can we please start talking about Albert Haynesworth again! That was more fun.

What's the next story the media is going to beat into the ground?

SprintRightOption wrote:

Yes I still disagree. I am sitting here watching Vick who spend a couple of years in the pen have no problem with Phillys West Coast playbook. But McNabb who has been a producer in the league forever just can't get Shannys playbook?
Don't think so. Something doesn't add up in all of this.

True, But this is Vick's second year in that system.

Can we please start talking about Albert Haynesworth again! That was more fun.

What's the next story the media is going to beat into the ground?

I think AH is happy to NOT be in the limelight....these days.

It really isn't true - this is just another fabrication - no worries guys

^^^^^
What...more Lies? There are more stories here than a highrise hotel.

How did this leak????

Either it is not true or someone with the skins is trying to save their behind. I wonder who that could be?????

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I just don't think that Mike or Kyle are unhappy with what McNabb gives them as a QB - I just don't think that these 2 guys are like what is being reported


I really think that Mike tried something that backfired, big time - then he stupidly bungled "explaining" everything

I just cannot fathom that McNabb and these guys are not on the same page

man oh man - I hope all this stuff is just that, BS

Let's see how the next 2-3 weeks play out. At this point, I have no idea where the "truth" is in all of the various rationales for the benching, media distortion and classy, if not completely useless, McNabb comments.

On the other hand, things could definitely be a lot worse. We could be cowboys fans right now.

McNabb has played in the same system with the same coach for what, 8 years? We can't expect him to be as good at learning a whole new offensive system with all new players as Jason was.

Bob 0119 wrote:McNabb has played in the same system with the same coach for what, 8 years? We can't expect him to be as good at learning a whole new offensive system with all new players as Jason was.

11 years

This is just getting worse and worse. First he's not comfortable in the two minute drill, next his mechanics are off, then his cardiovascular health is poor, next he's got poor practice habits and now he's not grasping the new offense... that he's had since April to learn.

This rift is really growing and it seems that this marriage is headed for divorce. I can't see the team committing big resources to a quarterback that isn't fitting into the system unless things really change in the second half. McNabb hasn't played well anyway, but it seemed like at the very least we'd have a QB for 5 years.

IF he only has half the play book it would explain why he does grasp the whole offense What IF the two minute drill is in the part of the play book he didn't get

Poor practice habits could be the result of a bunch of offensive lineman that couldn't run or pass block in a standard blocking scheme are now using the ZBS.
IF they can't block then the scheme really doesn't matter

IF true, this is completely on the staff unless McNabb refused half the play book we'd be undefeated

where are you getting this from? Is this just your assumption?

Skinsfan55 wrote:1 This is just getting worse and worse.
2 he's not comfortable in the two minute drill
3 his mechanics are off
4 his cardiovascular health is poor
5 he's got poor practice habits
6 he's not grasping the new offense ... that he's had since April to learn.
7 This rift is really growing
8 this marriage is headed for divorce
9 McNabb hasn't played well anyway

I can't see the team committing big resources to a quarterback that isn't fitting into the system

are you making this up or can you give us a link to where this information is coming from

IF these are assumptions then I think you're way off base because these are not facts, these are your opinions and that's fine with me because they're just more creative thoughts from someone with little to no real knowledge

chiefhog44 wrote:It seems like most everyone (including myself) on here is in agreement that Shannahan was in the wrong for pulling McNabb at the end of the game. Most are also pissed for him using what amounted to three different excuses as to why. I'm am apparently in the minority when it comes to being pissed about Shannahan lying saying that we don't really know what is going on within the locker room, so who cares what is said to the public. This entire thing has been played out over and over in other threads so let's just let this rest as where we are now.

Let's just say this tidbit from Mort is true, and McNabb only has half the playbook. With that in mind, do you still feel like it was a bad call to take McNabb out of the game? Here's why I can see a development here to consider. Let's just say that Kyle saw something that he wanted to exploit, but when called, the play was changed or whatever was happening in the huddle last week because McNabb didn't know the play that was called. The switch was made to Rex so that the rest of the playbook was opened up. Shannahan was interviewed after the game and he said that Rex gave us the best chance to win in that situation. The next day was damage control (or a poor attempt at it) by blaming it on other factors to protect McNabb. They didn't want McNabb to get clobbered by DC media for (what Ray calls) being stupid, so they make all this other stuff up and just throw up a huge smoke screen. They still feel like long term that McNabb is their guy, thus why he is still starting next week, but it's going to take a much longer time frame for him to learn the offense than they originally thought. Now a source (probably someone from the organization who is protecting Shannahan) floats this out there for explaination.

I know some or most in here will say, that's a far fetched idea, but let's just look logically at it for a second and agree that it COULD explain last weeks drama, and if this was the reason...do you still disagree with the decision to pull him?

I don't think that's far-fetched at all. But yes, I still think it was stupid to pull McNabb at that point. I've said all along that the reason he was pulled was most likely because DM was changing Kyle's plays. If that's the case, then they should have made the switch earlier, or waited until after the game. Making the move with less than 2:00 left on the clock is idiocy. Even worse to bring in Rex cold, without so much as a warning to get warmed up on the sidelines during the previous series.

IMO - IF the absolutely stupid move of replacing McNabb had resulted in a Redskins' win, McNabb would still be the starting QB for the next game

I'm not sure what the hell Mike or Kyle were thinking about BUT I am sure that McNabb is a much better QB than Grossman, he's the starting QB - Mike & Kyle might have made some stupid decisions recently but I certainly don't expect to see them make Grossman the starting QB here this season if McNabb is able to play

Deadskins wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:It seems like most everyone (including myself) on here is in agreement that Shannahan was in the wrong for pulling McNabb at the end of the game. Most are also pissed for him using what amounted to three different excuses as to why. I'm am apparently in the minority when it comes to being pissed about Shannahan lying saying that we don't really know what is going on within the locker room, so who cares what is said to the public. This entire thing has been played out over and over in other threads so let's just let this rest as where we are now.

Let's just say this tidbit from Mort is true, and McNabb only has half the playbook. With that in mind, do you still feel like it was a bad call to take McNabb out of the game? Here's why I can see a development here to consider. Let's just say that Kyle saw something that he wanted to exploit, but when called, the play was changed or whatever was happening in the huddle last week because McNabb didn't know the play that was called. The switch was made to Rex so that the rest of the playbook was opened up. Shannahan was interviewed after the game and he said that Rex gave us the best chance to win in that situation. The next day was damage control (or a poor attempt at it) by blaming it on other factors to protect McNabb. They didn't want McNabb to get clobbered by DC media for (what Ray calls) being stupid, so they make all this other stuff up and just throw up a huge smoke screen. They still feel like long term that McNabb is their guy, thus why he is still starting next week, but it's going to take a much longer time frame for him to learn the offense than they originally thought. Now a source (probably someone from the organization who is protecting Shannahan) floats this out there for explaination.

I know some or most in here will say, that's a far fetched idea, but let's just look logically at it for a second and agree that it COULD explain last weeks drama, and if this was the reason...do you still disagree with the decision to pull him?

I don't think that's far-fetched at all. But yes, I still think it was stupid to pull McNabb at that point. I've said all along that the reason he was pulled was most likely because DM was changing Kyle's plays. If that's the case, then they should have made the switch earlier, or waited until after the game. Making the move with less than 2:00 left on the clock is idiocy. Even worse to bring in Rex cold, without so much as a warning to get warmed up on the sidelines during the previous series.

I'm with Deadskins on this. If the coaches aren't comfortable with the way that McNabb is executing the offense I have no problem with them sitting him. But, the timing was off. If they were unhappy with him they should have made the move before the game, during half time, or basically at any other point in the game than when they did it.

Well now we have McNabb saying to ESPN 980 (Tuesday am) that he thinks it's "hilarious" that anyone would think he has only been given part of the offense

another mis-reported non event and more BS

SkinsJock wrote:Well now we have McNabb saying to ESPN 980 (Tuesday am) that he thinks it's "hilarious" that anyone would think he has only been given part of the offense

another mis-reported non event and more BS

He's gonna take the high road. Don't expect anything negative to come from McNabb regardless of what has been said or happened. Time and actions will be the tell all.

I agree Vet - no matter what happens though, I think that the inference about the playbook was just another exaggeration - it really is "hilarious" that some actually thought that could be possible

and you're right, McNabb is a class act and he's showing it - no matter what happens going forward, there are going to be a number of fans and media that will hype anything they can to attempt to show that they're correct in their assessment of the FO, the HC, the DC, the OC or that we'd be better off if we hadn't given up any picks for McNabb in the first place - just saying, IF anyone doesn't agree with what is going on, that's fine, but hyping it to make a point is just stupid and not helpful

I think that the players and the coaches have a tough road ahead to show that they're over what has happened here recently


I prefer to think along the lines that the situation is not as bad as many are making it out to be - at the same time I'm under no illusions as to the number of "issues" we have
we are not that good and will hopefully get through this season at about 8-8 or 9-7 BUT more importantly than the win/loss deal is that by season's end, we have a group that is playing as well as they can and as a team
we need more time to get this franchise back to where they're consistently competitive again - but, that's just me


hopefully everyone starts the second half off with a concerted team effort on Monday night