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Not that I would ever petition for JC to return to Washington, but still this is interesting:

Donovan McNabb

Comp. - 159
Att. - 277
Pct. - 57.4
Yards - 1,971
Avg - 7.1
Yds/Game - 246.4
TDs - 7
INTs - 8
Long - 62
Comp +40 - 7
Sacks - 22
Rating - 76

Jason Campbell

Comp. - 78
Att. - 138
Pct. - 56.5
Yards - 1,023
Avg. - 7.4
Yards/Game - 170.5
TDs - 6
INTs - 4
Comp +40 - 5
Sacks - 15
Rating - 82.5

Now some of you will say that JC has had less playing time that McNabb and always skews these numbers. It's true. JC is also playing with the Raiders, mind you. That's what is surprising. Could also mean that Oakland has a much better running game that we do.

Source: NFL.com

add in there that JC lost the starting job he was given because of his poor play. JC has always had good numbers, just not good at leadership and winning games ove rth long haul.

El Mexican wrote:JC is also playing with the Raiders, mind you.

And McRib is playing with the Redskins. You realize that the Raiders had more wins than we did last season, right ?

Look, I was a serious JC supporter. He had his chance here and failed. If I am man enough to admit this then others need to be like this a say McNabb isn't all that yet. Not for the skins.

Our line really sucks but is way better than last years. We have better receivers than last year.

What happened to stats do not matter just wins?

I am looking at threading the needle which JC has done for the Raiders. Too bad he didn't as a skin. Doesn't matter. I think Dmac is way better because of potential only and he has a nice deep ball. Actually they say but haven't really seen except preseason that Grossman has the most pretty deep ball out of all 3.

I also was a serious JC supporter. For once I thought we had a legitimate QB we were going to build. I thought he was the consummate professional...and then we broke him. He look skittish in the pocket...like another QB we destroyed Patrick Ramsey. I didn't think he could be reclaimed, but I also didn't think Donny was a replacement with a huge upside. I thought he was ending his career, like Namath with the LA Rams or Unitas with the Chargers...not Montana with the Chiefs.

SAP_Pete wrote:

El Mexican wrote:JC is also playing with the Raiders, mind you.

And McRib is playing with the Redskins. You realize that the Raiders had more wins than we did last season, right ?

Yes, but how is that relevant? The Raiders have been the benchmark for absurdity for most of the last decade.

I honestly think we are not that bad.

Kilmer72 wrote: I think Dmac is way better because of potential only and he has a nice deep ball.

Yes, in fact he is second in the league in completions of 40 plus yards with seven. Kyle Orton has 9.

It would be really ironic if Campbell ends up with a better season than McNabb.

El Mexican wrote:

SAP_Pete wrote:

El Mexican wrote:JC is also playing with the Raiders, mind you.

And McRib is playing with the Redskins. You realize that the Raiders had more wins than we did last season, right ?

Yes, but how is that relevant? The Raiders have been the benchmark for absurdity for most of the last decade.

I honestly think we are not that bad.

Benchmark for absurdity, yet in the last decade, they made the playoffs more often than we did, and won more playoff games. If the Raiders are the benchmark for absurdity, we're closing in, fast.

Before we go pining for JC over McNabb, can we PLEASE keep in mind that JC "led" the Redskins to a 4-12 season????

It took McNabb less than 8 games to match Jason's win total during this rebuilding year.

I'm not excited about McNabb's stats, but his win-loss record, even at 4-4, reminds me that the Skins made the right choice in letting go of Jason.

Yes, let's conveniently forget that Campbell "led" the Skins to 5-3 and 6-2 records in 2007 and 2008.

Wait... what? You mean there's 44 other players on an NFL gameday roster and that team w/l records are an incredibly crude way to measure individual success?

Paralis wrote:Yes, let's conveniently forget that Campbell "led" the Skins to 5-3 and 6-2 records in 2007 and 2008.

Wait... what? You mean there's 44 other players on an NFL gameday roster and that team w/l records are an incredibly crude way to measure individual success?

Ahhh, yes, if only the NFL season lasted 8 games.

Jason who?

FYI - The stats you listed above favor McNabb. What's this thread about?

Campbell has a lower completion percentage, less yards per game, less yards (he got benched so lack of time is his fault), less TD's, less 40 yard completions, and the same record. How can you say he's having a "better year"?

He has a slightly higher YPA at 7.4 versus McNabb's 7.1. And his rating is higher through 8 games. Not necessarily a solid case for the "he's having a better year" argument. Josh Freeman is having a better year. David Garrard is having a better year. But, Campbell?

We are better off because we no longer have Campbell as our QB - that guy showed nothing

we have a lot of issues right now but there is no way this franchise would have been better off keeping Campbell - not saying we should have made the trade ... or anything, just saying ....

Campbell is not a good QB - we need a good QB - hopefully this FO AND this HC get this BS straightened out

a good RB will make any QB look good

Raiders were a better team than the skins last year and are better this year. They have a better O line and running game. Receivers are worse.
Mcnabb is still better than JC even though numbers are close and they have both been benched.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Before we go pining for JC over McNabb, can we PLEASE keep in mind that JC "led" the Redskins to a 4-12 season????

It took McNabb less than 8 games to match Jason's win total during this rebuilding year.

I'm not excited about McNabb's stats, but his win-loss record, even at 4-4, reminds me that the Skins made the right choice in letting go of Jason.

Also, please keep in mind we have a much better team around the QB this year. I could not point to McNabb is the main reason behind any of our wins at this point.

El Mexican wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote: I think Dmac is way better because of potential only and he has a nice deep ball.

Yes, in fact he is second in the league in completions of 40 plus yards with seven. Kyle Orton has 9.

It would be really ironic if Campbell ends up with a better season than McNabb.

We have also had some WIDE open receivers downfield. He has missed several deep throws to wide open receivers. He has been more accurate on those throws than the open flat routes that he continues to miss. Until he hits them, teams are going to blitz.

Paralis wrote:Yes, let's conveniently forget that Campbell "led" the Skins to 5-3 and 6-2 records in 2007 and 2008.

Absurd. Just absurd. It is wonderful that JC can play well for the first 8 games of the year.....because everyone knows that the first 8 games are the true determinant of a season.

No matter, I find that it is obvious that DMc is better than JC. JC had his painfully too long run here in WAS and it didn't work out. It was best that he moved on. In terms of how they have played this year, it doesn't hurt that JC has played some of the worst teams in the NFL during his tenure in OAK -- and he has much better players around him. His OL is better, he has a better RB, and better WRs. I would say that the only thing in WAS that is superior form a personnel standpoint is TE. This fact is pretty embarrassing. Regardless, give JC our schedule and I would love to know where his numbers would be.

With all of this said however, I don't think either of them are playing that well. But, I must say, I have been surprised by the amount of points JC has been able to put up this year -- sure he only has 6 TDs in as many games, but he was only able to average around 12 ppg in WAS.

If you were to get to the pros and cons of each you would have McNabb with better pocket presence, deep ball, route recognition and creativity, with JC having better completion percentage, intermediate passing skills, decison making and short passing skills. McNabb having the history I would say he is still better.

However, none of this is relevant. A lot of people on here like to think that a Qb can overcome a bad line. That's the argument people made about JC last year. But they can't. Aaron Rodgers had some line issues last year, but it wasn't the interior, and he had Donald Driver, who is basically Wes Welker with better hands.

Does Peyton Manning have a bad line? No. Probly has the best one in the league overall. What happens when pressure gets to him? He stinks. Our O-line was supposed to be better and its not. Also, we lack red zone threats, but that wasn't really the issue last game. It was all O-line. They are horrible

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Before we go pining for JC over McNabb, can we PLEASE keep in mind that JC "led" the Redskins to a 4-12 season????

It took McNabb less than 8 games to match Jason's win total during this rebuilding year.

I'm not excited about McNabb's stats, but his win-loss record, even at 4-4, reminds me that the Skins made the right choice in letting go of Jason.

Home run hit Redeemed.. as soon as you said JC "led" us to 4-12.. and just for effect, let's not forget that JC is currently playing because the other guy is hurt.

markshark84 wrote:

Paralis wrote:Yes, let's conveniently forget that Campbell "led" the Skins to 5-3 and 6-2 records in 2007 and 2008.

Absurd. Just absurd. It is wonderful that JC can play well for the first 8 games of the year.....because everyone knows that the first 8 games are the true determinant of a season.

No matter, I find that it is obvious that DMc is better than JC. JC had his painfully too long run here in WAS and it didn't work out. It was best that he moved on. In terms of how they have played this year, it doesn't hurt that JC has played some of the worst teams in the NFL during his tenure in OAK -- and he has much better players around him. His OL is better, he has a better RB, and better WRs. I would say that the only thing in WAS that is superior form a personnel standpoint is TE. This fact is pretty embarrassing. Regardless, give JC our schedule and I would love to know where his numbers would be.

With all of this said however, I don't think either of them are playing that well. But, I must say, I have been surprised by the amount of points JC has been able to put up this year -- sure he only has 6 TDs in as many games, but he was only able to average around 12 ppg in WAS.

Oakland's WRs are definitely not better. They do have a very, very good TE.

brad7686 wrote:If you were to get to the pros and cons of each you would have McNabb with better pocket presence, deep ball, route recognition and creativity, with JC having better completion percentage, intermediate passing skills, decison making and short passing skills. McNabb having the history I would say he is still better.

However, none of this is relevant. A lot of people on here like to think that a Qb can overcome a bad line. That's the argument people made about JC last year. But they can't. Aaron Rodgers had some line issues last year, but it wasn't the interior, and he had Donald Driver, who is basically Wes Welker with better hands.

Does Peyton Manning have a bad line? No. Probly has the best one in the league overall. What happens when pressure gets to him? He stinks. Our O-line was supposed to be better and its not. Also, we lack red zone threats, but that wasn't really the issue last game. It was all O-line. They are horrible

Manning makes the line look a lot better than they are. He calls everything from the LOS and they are simply always in a good play for the situation. He gets rid of the ball very quick as well. They are intelligent group, I do not think they are great physically.

Please people, we seem to have too much time in our hands to waste on this thread.

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Please lock this thread. We have enough QB controversy to fuel another stupid one.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Before we go pining for JC over McNabb, can we PLEASE keep in mind that JC "led" the Redskins to a 4-12 season????

It took McNabb less than 8 games to match Jason's win total during this rebuilding year.

I'm not excited about McNabb's stats, but his win-loss record, even at 4-4, reminds me that the Skins made the right choice in letting go of Jason.

We also had plays like the swinging gate. Let sleeping dogs lie and just leave JC alone already. He's gone and he's operating 3000 miles away now.

/e kicks dead horse again