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ASHBURN, Va. -- Mike Shanahan has a new explanation for benching Donovan McNabb. The Washington Redskins coach says the quarterback wasn't in good enough shape to run a two-minute offense with no timeouts.

Shanahan on Monday said McNabb has been struggling with hamstring injuries for five weeks and didn't have the "cardiovascular endurance" to stay on the field with the game on the line against Detroit. Shanahan said he even considered not playing McNabb at all against the Lions.

Shanahan yanked McNabb for Rex Grossman with 1:50 to play in the 37-25 loss, a move than stunned the locker room and had teammates questioning the team's commitment to the six-time Pro Bowl quarterback.

McNabb looked fine during the game and even rushed for a team-high 45 yards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5753040

WOW! Shanny is just digging his hole a little deeper, isn't he?

He's a liar. Plain and simple.

What a tool.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:He's a liar. Plain and simple.

Now that you've posted that about 10 times, I think we got what you're trying to say.

I thought this would be impossible but I believe Shanahan broke the record for Most Shame Caused to the Redskins Organization in a 24-Hour Period.

Now, he's not a candidate for the Cerrato Hall of Shame Fame quite yet, but this is beyond comprehension.

SAP_Pete wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:He's a liar. Plain and simple.

Now that you've posted that about 10 times, I think we got what you're trying to say.

I'm sure I'll have another chance to say it again.

SAP_Pete wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:He's a liar. Plain and simple.

Now that you've posted that about 10 times, I think we got what you're trying to say.

Well he's right. At least he's saying the same thing and not changing his story more than Scott Peterson. More than we can say for our Head Coach.

I'm confused... Everyone was saying to trust the coaches and that Shannahan knows best. Now people are questioning his decisions? Is it possible that McNabb was not in good enough shape and Grossman does in fact no the two-minute offense better? It appears as if a combination of many factors played into his decision. It is clear that he felt Grossman gave the team a better chance to win.

Shabutie wrote:I'm confused... Everyone was saying to trust the coaches and that Shannahan knows best. Now people are questioning his decisions? Is it possible that McNabb was not in good enough shape and Grossman does in fact no the two-minute offense better? It appears as if a combination of many factors played into his decision. It is clear that he felt Grossman gave the team a better chance to win.

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not lump everyone together. I accepted Shanahan and company, but I still never said, "In blind faith we trust" and there were a few others that didn't do it either.

RedskinsFreak wrote:I thought this would be impossible but I believe Shanahan broke the record for Most Shame Caused to the Redskins Organization in a 24-Hour Period.

Now, he's not a candidate for the Cerrato Hall of Shame Fame quite yet, but this is beyond comprehension.

I don't know. I think the Jim Zorn fake punt, pass to nobody might have this beat slightly.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Shabutie wrote:I'm confused... Everyone was saying to trust the coaches and that Shannahan knows best. Now people are questioning his decisions? Is it possible that McNabb was not in good enough shape and Grossman does in fact no the two-minute offense better? It appears as if a combination of many factors played into his decision. It is clear that he felt Grossman gave the team a better chance to win.

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not lump everyone together. I accepted Shanahan and company, but I still never said, "In blind faith we trust" and there were a few others that didn't do it either.

Bad wording on my part, I definitely should not have said "everybody."

This is indefensible. This is a grown man literally making things up and worse, expecting other grown men (and women) to buy it!! How out of shape was McNabb when he was carrying the OL all day?? Maddening, just maddening.

Shabutie wrote:I'm confused... Everyone was saying to trust the coaches and that Shannahan knows best. Now people are questioning his decisions? Is it possible that McNabb was not in good enough shape and Grossman does in fact no the two-minute offense better? It appears as if a combination of many factors played into his decision. It is clear that he felt Grossman gave the team a better chance to win.

Check my posts. I've called Mike out about Albert and his mishandling and egotistical ways in that situation. People here were too hell bent on wanting to feel like they were getting Albert back through Shanahan to see that Mike was hurting the team.

Mike just basically shined a light on himself.

-Did you watch Rex play yesterday?
-Did you see the offensive line block yesterday?
-Did you see McNabb extend plays with his escapability, none of which Rex has?!?
- But Mike says Donovan is tired and can't run.... Did you see him run for 45 yards yesterday to set up a TD?! But MIKE SAID HE CAN'T RUN?
- Did you see Rex get murdered behind the line? The same line that McNabb was able to somewhat work with yesterday?


It's plain and simple IF YOU WATCHED THE GAME.

My best guess (and it's just a guess) is that MS was steaming after McRib lost us the game with this idiotic triple coverage interception at the end of the game, and is now trying to rationalize his idiotic decision without trying to burn McRib even more than he already did.

IMHO, MS changing his story after the fact is the least of our problems.

1. The Oline totally sucked and got McRib killed all game long
2. The pass plays up by 5 at the end of the game were idiotic. If that is what MS/KS called, they're idiots. If McRib improvised, I can see how MS steamed, but either way McRib shouldn't have made that throw.
3. I think there's a fair chance that McRib and KS were not on the same page, by the look on KS' face I saw a few times.

I hope they can figure stuff out in the bye week. McRib is what we have right now. He's been more agile than JC or, God forbid, Rexxy under pressure, and he's still second in being sacked only to Jay Cutlet.

SAP_Pete wrote:My best guess (and it's just a guess) is that MS was steaming after McRib lost us the game with this idiotic triple coverage interception at the end of the game, and is now trying to rationalize his idiotic decision without trying to burn McRib even more than he already did.

WRONG. The game was NOT OVER. This is the same QB that took us down the field in multiple games to set up game tying FG's that we eventually won!

And if it was over when the interception was thrown, that means MIKE SHANAHAN QUIT ON HIS TEAM!!!

And he basically displayed that by putting Rex in. He QUIT.

Shabutie wrote:I'm confused... Everyone was saying to trust the coaches and that Shannahan knows best. Now people are questioning his decisions? Is it possible that McNabb was not in good enough shape and Grossman does in fact no the two-minute offense better? It appears as if a combination of many factors played into his decision. It is clear that he felt Grossman gave the team a better chance to win.

I for one questioned him several times. I was with him on the Albert thing, until it spiraled into the season. The conditioning test debacle was the beginning of training camp. Yet, it was Week 5, and Shanny was still measuring his Peter. FAIL

I also question his handling of Derrick Dockery and Kory Lichtensteiger. I also did not like the direction our defense was going in up until the last few weeks, and I partially blame Shanny because I believe that Haslet was running these weird packages without our best D Lineman on the field (Shanny's decision).

Now we had turned a corner, Albert looks in "football shape" and is buying in a little. We are using him to his strengths. We had a chance to go into the bye 5-3. And, we create a circus again. And, instead of Shanny stating the obvious, he's revereted to 7 year old status and is making up multiple stories, all of which are implausible. I honestly don't care if the coach tells ME the truth (Bellichick), but from the player interviews it looks like he's not telling THEM the truth either, and I have concern that the goodwill he has built up will go away and his effectiveness as a leader will be eroded along with his trust and credibility.

Add in the dynamic that his SON appears to be at odds with McNabb, and his SON, just so happened to have a good relationship with Rex Grossman, a player who hasn't played in years or practiced with the Ones. Then you can see how I don't buy his B.S. here. Neither does anyone else.

If Rex came in and lead a game-winning drive, do you think his answers would have been anything like this?? Terminology, cardiovascular shape, hamstring B.S.? No.

He would have said, I thought Rex gave us the best chance to win, and I'm right because I'm Mikey the Great.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

SAP_Pete wrote:My best guess (and it's just a guess) is that MS was steaming after McRib lost us the game with this idiotic triple coverage interception at the end of the game, and is now trying to rationalize his idiotic decision without trying to burn McRib even more than he already did.

WRONG. The game was NOT OVER. This is the same QB that took us down the field in multiple games to set up game tying FG's that we eventually won!

And if it was over when the interception was thrown, that means MIKE SHANAHAN QUIT ON HIS TEAM!!!

And he basically displayed that by putting Rex in. He QUIT.

I didn't mean to say the game was over at this point, and I did call MS' decision to bench McRib idiotic. However, the interception is what cost us the lead. I'd have McRib stay in and deal with the issues after the game, but there must have been more going on than just a bad throw.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
WRONG. The game was NOT OVER. This is the same QB that took us down the field in multiple games to set up game tying FG's that we eventually won!

And if it was over when the interception was thrown, that means MIKE SHANAHAN QUIT ON HIS TEAM!!!

And he basically displayed that by putting Rex in. He QUIT.

Could not possibly agree with this more. Putting Rex in the game was chicken*&$!.

I actually turned off the game after the pick, then read here that we were getting the ball back. So I turned it back on to see what McRib could do, ONLY TO SEE grossman with his helmet on! I PROMPLTY turned off the game and went back to watching Mickey Mouse Clubhouse with my daughter. Had I not, I may have broken my tv.

What makes no sense is his claim that Grossman knew the 2 minute offense better. Didn't McNabb effectively run a less than 2 minute offense to get us into field goal position before the half? I know it was a shorter field but he did do a good job doing what he had to do.

MDSKINSFAN wrote:What makes no sense is his claim that Grossman knew the 2 minute offense better. Didn't McNabb effectively run a less than 2 minute offense to get us into field goal position before the half? I know it was a shorter field but he did do a good job doing what he had to do.

This is what happens when people lie (poorly, at that). The listener tries to logically digest the lie only to find that it makes no sense if you think about it for longer than 5 minutes. Apparently, MS only thought about this for 4.

MDSKINSFAN wrote:What makes no sense is his claim that Grossman knew the 2 minute offense better. Didn't McNabb effectively run a less than 2 minute offense to get us into field goal position before the half? I know it was a shorter field but he did do a good job doing what he had to do.

That idiot said Grossman knows it better because he practiced it in Houston. He said that Grossman has YET to practice it with this team AT ALLLLLLLLL. NEVER EVER EVER!!!

It makes zero sense!!!

You guys aren't getting this at all....At least I do not think so.

For example...I am a chef...If i am on Hells Kitchen (which I am going to apply for but also think I am not ready for) and have to deal with an @hole that is screaming at you.... This is what I think MS is dealing with and make no mistake...MS is to blame also. I have to go on this show just for friends that think I can but I say I will probably end up in jail for...never mind I will try to behave if they let me on at all.

We have no idea, except for what we are told.

Kilmer72 wrote:You guys aren't getting this at all....At least I do not think so.

It's hard to comprehend poorly pieced together lies. That's why we aren't getting it.

Is this what we get for having a "real NFL head coach and GM"?