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Did anyone see Jay Cutler's comments after the game? Check out his postgame interview if you have a chance... It's no wonder this guy was run out of Denver, despite his arm. How can you call out a guy ON THE OTHER TEAM who caught 4 of your passes?

he's a prick. Im so glad we did not get him

MinneapolisSuperSkin wrote:Did anyone see Jay Cutler's comments after the game? Check out his postgame interview if you have a chance... It's no wonder this guy was run out of Denver, despite his arm. How can you call out a guy ON THE OTHER TEAM who caught 4 of your passes?

Read this week's edition of The Loser Papers; Chicago feels the same way.

There are reasons why some QBs are winners and some are losers -- regardless of their skill. It is a requirement for QBs to be leaders. They need to be the person that holds the team together and makes sure that they are all on the same page.

If the offense fails, the QB is the one that needs to (and should) take the blame -- because a good QB knows that if the offense fails then the QB has failed; because the QB is in charge of the offense. It doesn't matter who made the mistake. It all falls on the QB. The QB should be someone the players can rely on and rally behind.

Cutler is actually a great example of this. No one has ever questioned his skill, yet he wasn't a winner in college and hasn't been in the pros. He isn't the type of team player that is required of good QBs. It also doesn't appear that he is the type of player that teamates seem to rally behind. Players can say what they want, but you can tell when players support their QB. Cutler is just not a leader. And when he makes mistakes, he always seems to have some sort of excuse. Players don't want to hear that. They want to hear that the QB made the mistake and they will work on never making the same mistake again. You never hear that type of humility from Cutler.

I am glad that we never traded for Cutler. At the time I would have done basically anything to replace JC, but I am happy the way it has worked out.

Big time jerk. No class. I hope you play them ago in the postseason and shut his mouth.

MinneapolisSuperSkin wrote:Did anyone see Jay Cutler's comments after the game? Check out his postgame interview if you have a chance... It's no wonder this guy was run out of Denver, despite his arm. How can you call out a guy ON THE OTHER TEAM who caught 4 of your passes?

The rookie HC in Denver unloaded that guy in a hurry, and nobody outside of Denver knew why.
Now, the whole world knows.

Jeff George anyone? A guy can have all the talent in the world, but if his teammates don't respect him, or follow him as a leader, he will ultimately fail, especially at this level.

tcwest10 wrote:The rookie HC in Denver unloaded that guy in a hurry, and nobody outside of Denver knew why.
Now, the whole world knows.

For the record I kept arguing against our trying to trade for him through that specifically because he was a prima donna then. I'd say people knew, they just weren't facing it. QB's a hard role to fill, but character is just so critical to success. That's such a huge part of McNabb's success.

Like Hall said, If he got to play Cutler every day he'd be in the Hall of Fame. Cutler is an arrogant punk.

I have to disagree. Jay Cutler was a great quarterback under Mike Shanahan. In the last two years he has had the worst offensive line and coaches in the league with nobody to help him correct flaws. He is on his second offensive system and coordinator in as many years. It's hard enough to learn a new system (See Donovan McNabb) but when your team can't run the ball or block and the coaches are all about to get fired and he knows he will be in his third Offense next year, he is bound to act surly. See if you can find the tape of that Monday Night Game he torched DeAngelo Hall when he was a Raider. You will also see what a difference a good head coach that values offense and the run game and how that can make or break young players especially quarterbacks. Jay Cutler's attitude is a direct result from the ineptness of the Chicago Bears coaching staff. Chicago is a team that places high value on Defense and is a place where quarterbacks go to die in their careers.

Who is the back-up quarterback for the Skins? Rex Grossman. But wasn't Rex Grossman a Superbowl QB? Sure, but that's what happens to QB's in Chicago.

I agrre wit everyone but last post by sprint right.. He's to full of him self.. He didn't so much torch hall as he did the raiders D. Notice how less then a week after hall and haslett get into coverage issues hall get a tie for most picks in a game? Coincidence? Na.
F cutler big head little back up. Halls comment back was priceless!

Hmm. Pretty funny that a good amount of people here wanted us to trade for this douche. 2 First Round Picks and 2 Third Round Picks would have been good for Cutler. But, what we gave up for McNabb was too much. Some people kill me. The bias and hypocrisy is mind-numbing.

The Hogster wrote:Hmm. Pretty funny that a good amount of people here wanted us to trade for this douche. 2 First Round Picks and 2 Third Round Picks would have been good for Cutler. But, what we gave up for McNabb was too much. Some people kill me. The bias and hypocrisy is mind-numbing.

You mock giving up 2 firsts, Orton plus a third when you went gave up a second and a third or fourth????

You are HYPOCRITES!!!!!!



What a clueless post

I live in Iowa so I get Comcast Chicago and watched the postgame show and all the guys agreed that all the ints except the last one were on the receivers. Even the pick six they said the receiver should've come back further to the ball well maybe baby jay shouldn't have thrown the ball off the back of his foot. The short pass to Knox was Knox's fault tho cuz he just stopped and he was supposed to keep crossing so dhall just stepped in front of it. That's Cutler and Bears fans tho they never give opposing teams credit and whine about how they should've won the game even if they get blown out. Chi town fans are very similar to Philly fans but atleast the bears actually have won a Super Bowl

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Hmm. Pretty funny that a good amount of people here wanted us to trade for this douche. 2 First Round Picks and 2 Third Round Picks would have been good for Cutler. But, what we gave up for McNabb was too much. Some people kill me. The bias and hypocrisy is mind-numbing.

You mock giving up 2 firsts, Orton plus a third when you went gave up a second and a third or fourth????

You are HYPOCRITES!!!!!!



What a clueless post

Kazoo - once again you dive bomb into a discussion like a retarded parachute -artist not knowing what the hell you're talking about.

In 2008, the Redskins under the direction of Vinny Cerrato OFFERED 2 FIRST ROUND Picks AND TWO THIRD ROUND PICKS for Jay Cutler.

I wouldn't expect you to know that, since you know so little of what you speak. But, in case you missed Kindergarten. 2 First Round picks AND 2 Third Round picks (4 Picks Total) is MORE than 1 2nd Round pick and a 3/4th Rounder (2 Picks) Additionally, 2 First Round Picks is ASSININE for Cutler because he is not worth it.

Look up the word "Value" and then go to sleep. I get tired of slowing my life down to educate you on stuff. Take some anti-depressants and run your two imaginary businesses, because logic and the internet are obviously not your strengths.

The Hogster wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Hmm. Pretty funny that a good amount of people here wanted us to trade for this douche. 2 First Round Picks and 2 Third Round Picks would have been good for Cutler. But, what we gave up for McNabb was too much. Some people kill me. The bias and hypocrisy is mind-numbing.

You mock giving up 2 firsts, Orton plus a third when you went gave up a second and a third or fourth????

You are HYPOCRITES!!!!!!



What a clueless post

Kazoo - once again you dive bomb into a discussion like a retarded parachute -artist not knowing what the hell you're talking about.

In 2008, the Redskins under the direction of Vinny Cerrato OFFERED 2 FIRST ROUND Picks AND TWO THIRD ROUND PICKS for Jay Cutler.

I wouldn't expect you to know that, since you know so little of what you speak. But, in case you missed Kindergarten. 2 First Round picks AND 2 Third Round picks (4 Picks Total) is MORE than 1 2nd Round pick and a 3/4th Rounder (2 Picks) Additionally, 2 First Round Picks is ASSININE for Cutler because he is not worth it.

Look up the word "Value" and then go to sleep. I get tired of slowing my life down to educate you on stuff. Take some anti-depressants and run your two imaginary businesses, because logic and the internet are obviously not your strengths.

Wow, do offer a hamburger with that can of whoopa$$?

I agree.. Price for gay cutler is x2 at least then that of Dmac. We got a kick arse deal

TimSkin wrote:I live in Iowa so I get Comcast Chicago and watched the postgame show and all the guys agreed that all the ints except the last one were on the receivers. Even the pick six they said the receiver should've come back further to the ball well maybe baby jay shouldn't have thrown the ball off the back of his foot. The short pass to Knox was Knox's fault tho cuz he just stopped and he was supposed to keep crossing so dhall just stepped in front of it. That's Cutler and Bears fans tho they never give opposing teams credit and whine about how they should've won the game even if they get blown out. Chi town fans are very similar to Philly fans but atleast the bears actually have won a Super Bowl

Not sure about that but the first INT where DHALL dove was not on the WR. It really wasn't on Cutler either. It was just a great play by DHALL. It was a decently thrown ball and the WR was in position.

Not sure about the INT inside the 20 becuase that could have been route running. I am not sure what type of route the WR was supposed to be running. Either way though, the ball was thrown too far to the QBs left (he lead the WR too much).

The INT for the TD really wasn't on the WR. That was a total misread by Cutler. It was thrown poorly, didn't have enough arm on it, and was not accurate to boot. Again, just a great play by DHALL to get that. I am not even sure the WR could have caught that pass.

When it happens once, maybe it's on the receiver. But, 4 times in one half? Now that's just making excuses for Cutler. Only the last pick was a gimmie in my view. The rest of them were good breaks on the ball. It just looked like Hall was guessing correctly on the routes and jumping them.

Gotta take a look at Martz's game plan too - why target D Hall when you can target ol' Stonehands Rogers on the other side? Cutler might have thrown 4 incompletes in that case...

The Hogster wrote:In 2008, the Redskins under the direction of Vinny Cerrato OFFERED 2 FIRST ROUND Picks AND TWO THIRD ROUND PICKS for Jay Cutler

I recall they "asked" for two firsts. You got a link we offered that plus two thirds? I did a search and what I saw also said that was what was asked for, not what was offered.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:In 2008, the Redskins under the direction of Vinny Cerrato OFFERED 2 FIRST ROUND Picks AND TWO THIRD ROUND PICKS for Jay Cutler

I recall they "asked" for two firsts. You got a link we offered that plus two thirds? I did a search and what I saw also said that was what was asked for, not what was offered.

In addition to this being well publicized here in D.C., reported by Adam Schefter (then of NFL Total Access), reported by Jason LaCanfora (then of the Washington Post), and re-visited on the National broadcast of last week's Bears vs Skins game.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sport ... 37677.html

http://www.blogdownchicagobears.com/200 ... ay-cutler/

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... .html#more

The offer was reported on ESPN980 in DC, and on Fox to have included 2 First Round Picks and two 3rd Round Picks. The Redskins emerged as a final candidate after offering the picks, but the Broncos wanted a QB in the deal and did not want Campbell. The Broncos liked Brady Quinn and Kyle Orton. As a result, Campbell was offered to the Browns in a 3 way deal that would have sent then-Brown Brady Quinn to Denver, and a pick to the Skins. When that deal failed, the Bears came in and offered the picks and Orton whom the Broncos liked.

In the end the Bears gave up 2 FIRST ROUND PICKS, a THIRD ROUND PICK and ORTON. Beating the Skins offer of 2 FIRST's and 2 THIRDS since they could not pull off the Cleveland deal which would have sent the picks and Quinn.

The Bears always asked for 2 FIRST ROUND PICKS plus some. These "reports" are corroborated in hindsight in that (1) the Broncos still wound up with Quinn, and (2) local news reports stated that Dan Snyder (who was in contact with the then-unemployed Shanahan was hot and heavy for Cutler so that he could solve his franchise QB problem and lay the groundwork to hire his former coach, you guessed it, Mike Shanahan).

3 of those ultimate motives proved correct by those reports. All in all, even if the deal only included 2 First Round picks, that is still WAY more than the package we gave up for McNabb and it is an awful value in hindsight. If you would read slower before bungee-jumping into a discussion looking for an uninformed angle at antagonizing me, you'd save yourself some embarassment and me some time. There are more reports including video that also report the Redskins offer package. Find them yourself. Thanks.

The Hogster wrote:In addition to this being well publicized here in D.C., reported by Adam Schefter (then of NFL Total Access), reported by Jason LaCanfora (then of the Washington Post), and re-visited on the National broadcast of last week's Bears vs Skins game.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sport ... 37677.html

http://www.blogdownchicagobears.com/200 ... ay-cutler/

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... .html#more

The offer was reported on ESPN980 in DC, and on Fox to have included 2 First Round Picks and two 3rd Round Picks

Dude, I know we negotiated for Cutler. None of those links say we offered two firsts and two thirds. None of them even say we offered two firsts. All your documentation on what I already know, that we tried to trade for him, doesn't make your specific claim true and I'm calling BS to that claim. No way Denver would have taken the Bears offer over ours if it was two firsts and two thirds from a Dan Snyder run team. No freaking way.

chiefhog44 wrote:Wow, do offer a hamburger with that can of whoopa$$?

It's easy to win arguments if you get to make up facts. Suffering from premature evaluation here...

Kazoo wrote: It's easy to win arguments if you get to make up facts. Suffering from premature evaluation here...

Cheif's assessment was not premature. You're obviously uninformed and now you're trying to prove that a given statement is not true simply because you personally don't know it to be true, and you're too lazy to find out.

It's funny watching you blow a gasket and grasp hopelessly at straws. Your first ignorant, incoherent, and ridiculous comment was regarding my comments that people are hypocritical here to have been in favor of the Jay Cutler trade (which required AT MINIMUM 2 FIRST ROUND PICKS, A THIRD ROUND PICK AND EITHER 1) A QB, or 2) ANOTHER PICK) but are against the McNabb trade which only involved 1 SECOND ROUND PICK and a FOURTH which could become a THIRD).

You could have been intellectually mature by acknowledging that (1) those two trades are not comprable contrary to what you quipped in your 2nd grade retort, and (2) you don't personally know what was offered, but there may be a chance that I do. Instead, you dive-bombed into the thread without having your facts straight, and you got your a$$ handed to you. You're welcome.

Even in retrospect, it should be obvious to you that the 2008 reports had merit. Just about all that was speculated at the time the details of this trade were reported eventually came true. Cutler went to Chicago for two 1sts, a 3rd and Orton. To boot, the Broncos still acquired Brady Quinn who was the other variable in the 3 team trade that the Skins were working to outbid the Bears. (WHICH IS INCLUDED IN PLAIN ENGLISH IN THE FIRST ARTICLE IF YOU CAN READ) Mike Shanahan did become coach and promptly admitted that he and Pat Bowlen had been in constant communication for many years.

Kazoo wrote: I'm calling BS to that claim. No way Denver would have taken the Bears offer over ours if it was two firsts and two thirds from a Dan Snyder run team. No freaking way.

Simply because you don't believe the Bears would have turned down our offer does not make it true. In fact, it's about as dumb as ever. Who would have QB'd the Broncos that year if they did not want a QB? Huh genius? Why wouldn't they value a starting caliber QB over our 3rd Round pick when they already had 2 3rd round picks but no starting QB?? Chris Simms was their reserve QB and he was coming off of spleen surgery. So, "no freakin way"???

I only take out my time to educate you because I am charitable and I enjoy donating to the less fortunate and mentally challenged. But, please do keep painting yourself in the dunce corner. The comment which caused your crash and burn brain fart was regarding the contradictory viewpoint of being in favor of the Cutler deal (which involved at minimum TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS and then some) but being against the McNabb trade which did not include ANY FIRST ROUND PICKS.

Now, try and divert the attention from your public humiliation of yourself and whine and complain that you can't find an article that says it any plainer that the Redskins were offering 2 FIRST ROUND PICKS, and 2 THIRD ROUND PICKS since they could not pull off the 3 team deal with Cleveland to give Denver a QB they wanted. We'll wait.

Adam Schefter, a Denver journalist who co-authored a book with Mike Shanahan, his report was wrong according to Kazoo. Jason LaCanfora, a DC based journalist to re-iterated this report in the pre-game lead-in on NFL Gameday, his report is wrong because Kazoo said so.

The fact that the dominoes did in fact fall after that trade fell threw showing that the reported interest in Brady Quinn was true, that means nothing because Kazoo can't find anything with his Google machine.

If you actually look for yourself, you might find that the answer is not to hard to find.

Stay classy Kazoo. You are one pathetic but funny guy!