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Should this be a Question or a Statement...???

I think Portis has seen his last days with the Skins. He has not been truly healthy for the past several years. What I mean is....even when healthy in the off season, he quickly sustains another long term injury. Perhaps it's his tough attitude, always willing to put his body out there: running, blocking, catching passes. Portis is a stud - when healthy.

Torain is fresh and has a lot of pep in his step. Portis, not so much.

I'm afraid his best days are past him.
But I'm also afraid that I'm wrong (won't be the first) and the he will re-Surge like Tomlinson.....on another team.

Time will tell.

Third down back and spell Torain. Nothing more. Whens his contract up? Shed light?

His contract is up this season right? He probably would have been a cap casualty this season if there was a cap.

Anyway, Portis is the latest in a string of Redskins players who's primes were wasted since Snyder took over. Along with Fred Smoot, Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, LaVar Arrington, Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey etc. stars who gave us their peak years... but we were spinning our tires and couldn't build a cohesive team around them.

Skinsfan55 wrote:His contract is up this season right? He probably would have been a cap casualty this season if there was a cap.

Anyway, Portis is the latest in a string of Redskins players who's primes were wasted since Snyder took over. Along with Fred Smoot, Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, LaVar Arrington, Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey etc. stars who gave us their peak years... but we were spinning our tires and couldn't build a cohesive team around them.

Portis is signed through the 2013 season. He wouldn't have been a cap casualty if there was a cap this season because his $6.43 million of Portis' 2010 base salary is guaranteed, and the cap hit would have been over $7 million. Next year his base is $8.25 million with $0.00 guaranteed.

I actually don't think he is done. Torrain still gos far too wide on certain plays when he should just be north and south type of runner. Which I think Torrain will learn in time.

Portis can get you five to ten but his balance is terrible. Also I think you have to keep in mind our offensive line is still coming together.

tribeofjudah wrote:Should this be a Question or a Statement...???

It's a fallacy. Dude, there are actually more running backs then featured running backs in the NFL. Why are featured back and unemployed the only options? As we discussed when this came up a couple weeks ago, Torian helps Portis and us. Portis is a great blocker, a good receiver and a reliable back. But he's aging. Not being our featured back, which he's getting old to do (by NFL standards) makes him MORE valueable to us because we can use him appropriately. Do you want to cut everyone who doesn't start, or is it just running back?

I know he isn't built for it, but he is a great pass and run blocker. Put him in at Fullback every down just to block. Throw the D a curve once in a while and let him take of with one.

I wasn't being serious by the way. I do like the 3rd down and spelling Torian idea. I would bring him in on passing downs to block though.

Portis will help this offense - the RBs are not the issue - the running game will be a lot better with better play from the offensive line

The line play has improved a little with regards to the running game, but ....

SkinsJock wrote:Portis will help this offense - the RBs are not the issue - the running game will be a lot better with better play from the offensive line

The line play has improved a little with regards to the running game, but ....

The line play was pretty solid. It is so strange to see a Redskins RB break tackles, it feels like its been a decade. He made a lot out of nothing several plays, but he also turned well blocked plays into minimum gains. On back to back runs in the redzone, he had massive cutback lanes and the OL moved the LOS about 5 yards across the board. He was late to see the cutback lane and gained 5 on the first play, then the next play he tried to go around the corner and got tackled for no gain.

He has some areas to improve on, but he is such a huge upgrade right now. I do not have a problem with Portis being in on third down's and actually think that will suit him very well.

It is hard not to double post on here.

If he can recover from his injury, I don't see why he is done. First, he still has ability to run the ball -- after all he only averages .2 yards less than Toran (whose average skyrocketed as a result of putting up big numbers against one of the leagues worst rushing defenses) AND he is a tremendous blocker -- which would be great for 3rd down situations. He is also extremely tough and could assist in bringing Toran and Simpson along (I didn't include Williams because I don't think very highly of his abilities).

Portis isn't the dreaded 30 yet (although close). While I used to disagree wiith this, I believe that the "featured" back is not as effective as having 2 different backs. Just like everything else in the world these days, even RBs are becoming specialized. So I could see CP staying here -- then again, we need a speedy back that can catch passes and supplement a guy like Toran or CP. We'll see what happens, but it would be a mistake to get rid of CP too soon --- besides he means too much to this team. Say what you want about CP, but he has remained loyal to the organization.

Torrain also had to carry the ball 16 times against the Packers. Look at what the players do on their own. Portis slides in the open field and Torrain breaks multiple tackles. Portis has had some extremely well blocked plays this year that he has not done much with.

Shabutie wrote:Torrain also had to carry the ball 16 times against the Packers. Look at what the players do on their own. Portis slides in the open field and Torrain breaks multiple tackles. Portis has had some extremely well blocked plays this year that he has not done much with.

I agree. This year, it looks to me like Portis tries to find a hole to die in rather than exploit. He seems to lack the physicality of years past. I haven't even seen the blocking Portis we have all become familiar with. Portis had 31 carries in the first two games, for a total of less than 100 yards rushing. He was also only a pass target one time, for a gain of one yard.

It also seems (until last game against Indy) the team doesn't really use an I-Form or any blocking back form often enough for Portis to flourish. On Sunday, I feel like a lot of the good run plays were established with a lead blocker. Maybe this is effecting all of the backs and their production.

I still like Portis. I hope we haven't seen the last of him. His blocking makes such a big difference in protecting McNabb.

But I do like Torain. I think if we could get a speedy back to compliment him, it would be a really good combo.

MDSKINSFAN wrote:I still like Portis. I hope we haven't seen the last of him. His blocking makes such a big difference in protecting McNabb.

But I do like Torain. I think if we could get a speedy back to compliment him, it would be a really good combo.

He is the speedy back. He just need to run North/South.
We need a bruising back ala Mike Alstott....

Shabutie wrote:It is hard not to double post on here.

Just don't hit the submit button twice, even if it takes a while to load. And if you do double post, delete the second one.

Skinsfan55 wrote:His contract is up this season right? He probably would have been a cap casualty this season if there was a cap.

Anyway, Portis is the latest in a string of Redskins players who's primes were wasted since Snyder took over. Along with Fred Smoot, Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, LaVar Arrington, Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey etc. stars who gave us their peak years... but we were spinning our tires and couldn't build a cohesive team around them.

Dude, i hear what your saying, and agree to an extent, but honestly the same can be said for pretty much any team that hasnt won a superbowl recentally. One could argure the eagls wasted B. westbrook and McNabbs prime spinning wheels, or that the chargers wasted LT. You get the idea, but most teams have at least 1 or 2 "stars" or upper tier players, and you can only do what you can do. Unfortunatly 31 teams are losers every year as we allready well know.

As to the thread, i think CP is done HERE. He will still probably play somewhere as 3rd down back, if for nothing else than blocking skills. CP, although controversial and not always thinking before he speaks, is and was a stud for us. I'll always have love for CP for his contributions to the skins, even if it ends badly here as is most often the case.


ah, and to clarify, i think hes done AFTER this year (with his contract and all). He could get healthy and play down the stretch, but will probly split carries with Torrain

Skinsfan55 wrote:His contract is up this season right? He probably would have been a cap casualty this season if there was a cap.

Anyway, Portis is the latest in a string of Redskins players who's primes were wasted since Snyder took over. Along with Fred Smoot, Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, LaVar Arrington, Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey etc. stars who gave us their peak years... but we were spinning our tires and couldn't build a cohesive team around them.

yeah i think you could say that about most teams that did not win superbowls with thier players though.......Dan Marino comes to mind........Ladanian Tomlinson, Sean Alexander, priest holmes, etc.....not just unique to the skins

The thing about LT.. Is that CP NEVER was an LT... AP or CJ. So baring him retiring a redskin as a 3rd down spell back for RT he will most likely putter out anywhere else and be where Larry Johnson and Willie Parker are now.. ?
Nothing but love for CP hope he can swallow pride and be that backup back. Heck LT did it and now he is that premiere starting back he once was. Hopefully if that happens to CP its here guiding torain in the art breaking the Skins all time rushing record and retiring here.

it would be interesting to see portis come back into the fold right around playoff time. then we would have a bigger back in torain and a 'speed' guy in portis able to make cuts. would shanny play a guy who has been out of the loop that long? hard to say.

1niksder wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:His contract is up this season right? He probably would have been a cap casualty this season if there was a cap.

Anyway, Portis is the latest in a string of Redskins players who's primes were wasted since Snyder took over. Along with Fred Smoot, Jon Jansen, Chris Samuels, LaVar Arrington, Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey etc. stars who gave us their peak years... but we were spinning our tires and couldn't build a cohesive team around them.

Portis is signed through the 2013 season. He wouldn't have been a cap casualty if there was a cap this season because his $6.43 million of Portis' 2010 base salary is guaranteed, and the cap hit would have been over $7 million. Next year his base is $8.25 million with $0.00 guaranteed.

Quoting 1nik's info, CP won't be here backing up at $8.25M...

I don't think we've seen the last of Clinton this year ... though next year is a different matter ... if he remains with us, he'll have to take a SIGNIFICANT cut ... nobody is going to pay him 8 Mil .. and Shanny's modis operandi is to acquire relative unknowns, plug them in and go.

Portis has been a workhorse since he's been here ... and the milage is starting to show.

Torain looks good but he's had some issues staying healthy ... so who knows.

We can't knock Torain currently. He's been healthy for us and I expect him to stay that way...

he gone!