Back in the days.

[HEROHAMO]

Just some random thoughts here.

Does anyone remember when Pepsi tasted good? Or when KFC was actually delicious? I do.
How about the music these days?


Anyhow just the other day I purchased a throwback pepsi. Then at the gas station I purchased a Pepsi imported from Mexico made original recipe like in the eighties. A number of memories started to come back to me. For the first time in years I drank a soda and was actually satisfied. gulp.... Ahhhhhhhhh!


I used to love Kentucky Fried Chicken now known simply as KFC. Now there chicken tastes like crap and I only go to Popeyes or Churches chicken. Bring back the old recipe KFC or you will never get any of my money ever again.

This is where Corporations fail. Quality my friends. If the Colonel was alive I would not be saying this. I think the Colonels family sold it to another corporation which is why we do not have the good old stuff we used to have.

Corporations make changes to there product in order to increase profit. One thing I have to say is never ever ever make changes if it decreases quality. You will lose the customer.

I have been noticing a trend in many companies. Offering lower quality! Screw you! You know who you are and you will not get my business unless you offer quality. Especially if you gave us fantastic in the past. Then all of a sudden cut the quality and try to fool consumers.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Corporations make changes to there product in order to increase profit

You will lose the customer

they increase profit and lose the customer? I'm curious how that logic works exactly...

[Deadskins]

Does anyone remember when Pepsi tasted good?

No.
Pepsi has always tasted like crap compared to Coca-Cola. Pepsi tastes like a Coke that was left open in the refrigerator for a week. Coke has a crisp bite to it, that Pepsi could never match.

I think the Colonels family sold it to another corporation which is why we do not have the good old stuff we used to have.

Yeah, they sold it to Pepsi.

But, the difference in taste comes from the oil in which they now cook the chicken, not the recipe.

[HEROHAMO]

Corporations make changes to there product in order to increase profit

You will lose the customer

they increase profit and lose the customer? I'm curious how that logic works exactly...

There you go taking two halves of my sentences merging them together to make a statement I never made. Out of context my friend.

This is not a bash Corporations or bash Capitalism post. It is a bash a specific corporation and the specific moves they made as a Corporation which resulted in losing me as a customer and probably many others.

Pepsi and many other beverage companies switched from using sugar to using high fructose corn syrup to sweeten there beverages.
Making the production of Pepsi Cola cheaper a whole lot cheaper.
Unfortunately, decreasing the quality dramatically.

Same thing happened with Kentucky fried Chicken now known simply as KFC. Use cheaper oil to fry the chicken, buy cheaper steroid injected chicken etc....

They chose to compromise quality.


Kentucky Fried Chicken was made successful by one mans dream, one mans hard work. Endless hours of coming up with the perfect recipe. Hours of going to each of his restaraunts testing the chicken to make sure it was up to the Colonels standards. The Colonel made KFC a huge success. He never compromised quality. It was the best tasting chicken around. When you ate the chicken it was the culmination of Colonel Sanders journey to make the best chicken on the planet and it was.

In a nutshell. One day Colonel Sanders passed away R.I.P. Rights to KFC were sold to Pepsi.

(Meeting Pepsi Board of Directors) What can we do to increase profits?

(Member A), We could use cheaper oil to fry the chicken. How about vegetable oil instead of peanut oil?

(CEO) Thats a good idea contact company B to see how much they offer per quart.

(Member B) We could also use high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar in our soft drinks.

(CEO) Hey see who offers the best deal.

(CEO) How are we going to market this?

(Marketing department) Dont worry about that we will contact Michael Jackson and pay him a couple Million for a commercial. Dont worry about the taste they wont know the difference. If Michael Jackson drinks Pepsi with new formula so will consumers.

CEO, ha your right get right on it. Ok meeting adjourned.



Had the Colonel been alive. He would have never changed the recipe. And it would still be a huge success. Same goes for the Founder of Pepsi. They were the ones to make the success in the first place.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Does anyone remember when Pepsi tasted good?

No.
Pepsi has always tasted like crap compared to Coca-Cola. Pepsi tastes like a Coke that was left open in the refrigerator for a week. Coke has a crisp bite to it, that Pepsi could never match

I agree on the taste, but now that I own a restaurant I despise Coca Cola. Their deals are great...for them. I'm stopped ordering from them. Restaurants pay 2-3 times what you can buy Coke for RETAIL. A case of Dasani water goes for under $5 at Target, Sams, Costco.... They charge restaurants $14.50. When I complained, they said it was because it's 20 oz. The ones buy at Sams are 16.9 oz. Aaah, now it makes sense.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Corporations make changes to there product in order to increase profit

You will lose the customer

they increase profit and lose the customer? I'm curious how that logic works exactly...

There you go taking two halves of my sentences merging them together to make a statement I never made. Out of context my friend

I did? Then why are they in different sub-boxes then my quote? Look above and you'll see I actually showed they were separate statements you did make and not one you didn't. I accurately put them there and asked how they both made sense, because I didn't understand how if they are losing customers they are doing it for profit. I still don't understand and your reply didn't clarify that. But dude, your statements were presented accurately, sorry.

[KazooSkinsFan]

(Meeting Pepsi Board of Directors) What can we do to increase profits?

(Member A), We could use cheaper oil to fry the chicken. How about vegetable oil instead of peanut oil?

(CEO) Thats a good idea contact company B to see how much they offer per quart.

(Member B) We could also use high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar in our soft drinks.

(CEO) Hey see who offers the best deal.

(CEO) How are we going to market this?

(Marketing department) Dont worry about that we will contact Michael Jackson and pay him a couple Million for a commercial. Dont worry about the taste they wont know the difference. If Michael Jackson drinks Pepsi with new formula so will consumers.

CEO, ha your right get right on it. Ok meeting adjourned.

So your story is that people are too stupid to know food doesn't taste good because it's marketed to them? If you think about it, if they "don't know the difference" as you said, doesn't that mean it doesn't taste worse?

Actually this is a story that companies are listening to customers. It's like airlines, if you ask customers what they want, they say things like leg room and elbow room. When airlines give them that and charge even small amounts more, the people ignore it and just buy the cheapest tickets, they won't pay for it. Companies listen to customers by giving them what they will pay for, not what they say they want.

Ditto fast food. It's intensely competitive. Companies absolutely do give customers what they will pay for. If as Deadskins says it's the oil (which makes sense, I don't believe KFC changed their recipe) then they've definitely tested and re-tested and re-re-tested and determined the cost of the new oil in the total product cost is what they will pay for. It's ridiculous to say successful, national companies are maximizing profits by ignoring what customers want. They are maximizing profits by intensely listening to what they say with their....wallets.

[Deadskins]

It's also not only that vegetable oil is cheaper. All the fast food companies switched about 10-15 years back, from lard and peanut oil, due to the advertising bump they got by claiming to go healthy.

[Deadskins]

Does anyone remember when Pepsi tasted good?

No.
Pepsi has always tasted like crap compared to Coca-Cola. Pepsi tastes like a Coke that was left open in the refrigerator for a week. Coke has a crisp bite to it, that Pepsi could never match

I agree on the taste, but now that I own a restaurant I despise Coca Cola. Their deals are great...for them. I'm stopped ordering from them. Restaurants pay 2-3 times what you can buy Coke for RETAIL. A case of Dasani water goes for under $5 at Target, Sams, Costco.... They charge restaurants $14.50. When I complained, they said it was because it's 20 oz. The ones buy at Sams are 16.9 oz. Aaah, now it makes sense.

So why not buy your bottled water retail? Is that illegal?
How do Coke and Pepsi compare when it comes to syrup kegs for fountain drinks?
I'm just asking, not arguing.

[Cappster]

Corporations make changes to there product in order to increase profit

You will lose the customer

they increase profit and lose the customer? I'm curious how that logic works exactly...

There you go taking two halves of my sentences merging them together to make a statement I never made. Out of context my friend

I did? Then why are they in different sub-boxes then my quote? Look above and you'll see I actually showed they were separate statements you did make and not one you didn't. I accurately put them there and asked how they both made sense, because I didn't understand how if they are losing customers they are doing it for profit. I still don't understand and your reply didn't clarify that. But dude, your statements were presented accurately, sorry.

Kazoo, I think you are trying to omit some of what he said so you can make a point.

Corporations make changes to there product in order to increase profit. One thing I have to say is never ever ever make changes if it decreases quality. You will lose the customer.

I believe he is saying if a corporation attempts to increase profit by sacrificing quality then they will lose customers. Thirst is nothing, context is everything.

[Cappster]

And for the record I still like KFC chicken

[Deadskins]

And for the record I still like KFC chicken

Me too.

[KazooSkinsFan]

So why not buy your bottled water retail? Is that illegal?

Agreed, that's what I do. I go to Sams or Target and buy as many things as I can there and we're phasing everything out that we can't. I have a costco card but those two just happen to be closer to the restaurant. It saves us hundreds of dollars every trip.

How do Coke and Pepsi compare when it comes to syrup kegs for fountain drinks?
I'm just asking, not arguing.

I personally don't drink much soda so I can't comment on the taste. But unfortunately while I can give Coke a hard time and I can buy retail items, I can't talk to anyone else about servicing us because they have a corporate agreement with our franchise. We're a little up scale from the mega chains, but we're still a franchise. I personally am 99.999% sure Coke gives our franchise a big kick back. I know for a fact other types of vendors do. I would prefer they raise the royalty and then negotiate agreements that are in our interest.

[cvillehog]

I can't decide if I love or hate (or love to hate) that this board can somehow manage to turn everything into a big argument.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I believe he is saying if a corporation attempts to increase profit by sacrificing quality then they will lose customers. Thirst is nothing, context is everything.

KFC isn't operating in isolation, they operate in a competitive marketplace. Sales isn't just driven by quality, it's driven by quality and price. KFC is intensely looking at every tradeoff there, as are all the other chains. If he's saying that they should have raised the price to maintain the quality, he can't say the price wouldn't have driven off customers even if they liked the quality any more then he can say the lower prices aren't bringing in more customers then the quality decrease is costing them. And if he's saying he just wants them to eat the higher price of quality and charge the same thing then he's tripping. Without looking at quality and price, you can say it's in or out of "context" but it's silly to say quality is going to cost customers without considering cost.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I can't decide if I love or hate (or love to hate) that this board can somehow manage to turn everything into a big argument.

You consider this a "big" argument?

[cvillehog]

I can't decide if I love or hate (or love to hate) that this board can somehow manage to turn everything into a big argument.

You consider this a "big" argument?

Res ipsa loquitur

[KazooSkinsFan]

I can't decide if I love or hate (or love to hate) that this board can somehow manage to turn everything into a big argument.

You consider this a "big" argument?

Res ipsa loquitur

Does it? If you consider this big I'd avoid message boards...

[cvillehog]

I can't decide if I love or hate (or love to hate) that this board can somehow manage to turn everything into a big argument.

You consider this a "big" argument?

Res ipsa loquitur

Does it? If you consider this big I'd avoid message boards...

Do you completely miss the irony of the hissy you are throwing over a little hyperbole?

[KazooSkinsFan]

I can't decide if I love or hate (or love to hate) that this board can somehow manage to turn everything into a big argument.

You consider this a "big" argument?

Res ipsa loquitur

Does it? If you consider this big I'd avoid message boards...

Do you completely miss the irony of the hissy you are throwing over a little hyperbole?

You think this is a hissy fit?

[cvillehog]

I can't decide if I love or hate (or love to hate) that this board can somehow manage to turn everything into a big argument.

You consider this a "big" argument?

Res ipsa loquitur

Does it? If you consider this big I'd avoid message boards...

Do you completely miss the irony of the hissy you are throwing over a little hyperbole?

You think this is a hissy fit?

I feel like we're going in circles...

[Irn-Bru]

You think this is a circle?

[KazooSkinsFan]

I can't decide if I love or hate (or love to hate) that this board can somehow manage to turn everything into a big argument.

You consider this a "big" argument?

Res ipsa loquitur

Does it? If you consider this big I'd avoid message boards...

Do you completely miss the irony of the hissy you are throwing over a little hyperbole?

You think this is a hissy fit?

I feel like we're going in circles...

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

You think this is a circle?

[HEROHAMO]

Corporations make changes to there product in order to increase profit

You will lose the customer

they increase profit and lose the customer? I'm curious how that logic works exactly...

Your statement, "they increase profit and lose the customer?", Not mine.
Where in my post do you see me with that exact statement?
Textbook strawmans argument 101.

Classic Kaz first move of debate. Do you have that debate itch again?

Why would I argue a point I never made?