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OHHHH...could it be the McNabb to Jackson show - again...hehehehe

The San Diego Chargers are opposed to trading disgruntled wide receiver Vincent Jackson, but if they do deal him, the Washington Redskins and Seattle Seahawks remain interested, sources said Friday.

Jackson has yet to sign his one-year restricted free-agent tender and reportedly doesn't intend to do so any time soon, threatening a holdout that could last well into the regular season.

While I wouldn't mind getting Jackson, espcially if the price is right (not giving up any draft picks), I think that this is more telling about what the thoughts are about Thomas and Kelly in the F.O. In my opinion, this clearly says that the new coaching staff is not seeing what they want to see in them, and when you look at who is the current #2 WR, Joey Galloway, a 38 year old player who has was recently cut from a team and far past his prime, is very telling. I would not be surprised to see the trigger pulled on getting Jackson, I just hope that we don't give a way the entire draft to get him.

Off the field problems, premadona, over values self - not what I want on my team. Also, AJ Smith is known for devaluing his players when it's time for contract negotiations but overvaluing them in trades. No thanks.

Jrfriedm wrote:While I wouldn't mind getting Jackson, espcially if the price is right (not giving up any draft picks), I think that this is more telling about what the thoughts are about Thomas and Kelly in the F.O. In my opinion, this clearly says that the new coaching staff is not seeing what they want to see in them, and when you look at who is the current #2 WR, Joey Galloway, a 38 year old player who has was recently cut from a team and far past his prime, is very telling. I would not be surprised to see the trigger pulled on getting Jackson, I just hope that we don't give a way the entire draft to get him.

Lol how are we going to get him without trading draft picks? I wish man, but I want to hold onto draft picks from here on out. Only good deal I can see is if he holds out into week 5, and we get him on the dirt cheap. The best scenario is we move Haynesworth to someone and take what we get for him, and move that to San Diego. Kind of a 3-team deal of some sorts but, I dont really want this to happen for the price I know it will be.

no thanks

frankcal20 wrote:Off the field problems, premadona, over values self - not what I want on my team. Also, AJ Smith is known for devaluing his players when it's time for contract negotiations but overvaluing them in trades. No thanks.

We've been passing on those guys for years now, look where its gotten us. 75% of good wide receivers want the ball and want to look good. It's just how it is. We do that with a DT, and that is a much more dangerous position to have a primadonna.

brad7686 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Off the field problems, premadona, over values self - not what I want on my team. Also, AJ Smith is known for devaluing his players when it's time for contract negotiations but overvaluing them in trades. No thanks.

We've been passing on those guys for years now, look where its gotten us. 75% of good wide receivers want the ball and want to look good. It's just how it is. We do that with a DT, and that is a much more dangerous position to have a primadonna.

Vincent Jackson is "just a guy". Maybe a top 50 WR, maybe. He has had two decent, not great years with San Diego, with a great QB and a coach that knows how to call an offense. Norv sucks as a HC, but he can get the most out of a WR; see Alvin Harper, Michael Westbrook, Albert Connell, Leslie Sheppard, and even Michael Irvin. The Skins last duo of 1000 yard WR were coached by Norv (Westbrook and Connell).

Devin Thomas has more catches his first two seasons than Jackson has had. If the Bolts would trade him for a 5th I might take it.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Off the field problems, premadona, over values self - not what I want on my team. Also, AJ Smith is known for devaluing his players when it's time for contract negotiations but overvaluing them in trades. No thanks.

We've been passing on those guys for years now, look where its gotten us. 75% of good wide receivers want the ball and want to look good. It's just how it is. We do that with a DT, and that is a much more dangerous position to have a primadonna.

Vincent Jackson is "just a guy". Maybe a top 50 WR, maybe. He has had two decent, not great years with San Diego, with a great QB and a coach that knows how to call an offense. Norv sucks as a HC, but he can get the most out of a WR; see Alvin Harper, Michael Westbrook, Albert Connell, Leslie Sheppard, and even Michael Irvin. The Skins last duo of 1000 yard WR were coached by Norv (Westbrook and Connell).

Devin Thomas has more catches his first two seasons than Jackson has had. If the Bolts would trade him for a 5th I might take it.

I think you overvalue what we have if you think Thomas is better than Jackson.

Jackson starts the season suspended for his 2nd DUI. No thanks.

This post applies here as well:

Jackson is on his 2nd DUI. If he get's another, he's suspended for a season. Does it make a lot of sense to #1 - have to give up at a minimum a 1st rd pick for the guy, #2 - give him a huge contract (he wants to be the highest paid WR in the NFL) with risk of him not playing for you in one of those seasons and #3 - he's really only had one good season with a QB who's one of the best in the NFL.

No thanks. I'm tired of overpaying for talent that other teams develop. I say keep trying until we get it right. Rome wasn't built in a day so lets keep working with Thomas and Kelly who I feel can be weapons if used correctly to feature their skillsets.

Jus because he has 2 DUI's doesn't mean he'll get his third.

Compared to VJ, Thomas/Wade/Galloway/Kelly are bums. Don't want to give up draft picks, no problem, just give them 2 or 3 of the above. I'll take my chances with Santana/Jackson/third/fourth... anyday.

.. and are we gathering people for a boy scouts camp or something? Every time a player gets brought up who has some kind of issue everyone is very fast to say no thanks even if he can add more to our team. Are we really in a situation where we have that ability to say "no" because of whatever reasons? Again, I want to win and if this guy can help us do that, why not? T.O. was bashed here because of his attitude in the past.. LJ is here and people griped about it.. now ya'll don't want VJ cause of his DUI's (though yes I understand that if he gets another one he's done). Don't ya'll want to win or ya'll just want to win with good boys?

We need him, McNabb knows this too, Shanahan knows this too, that little rabbit I saw outside even said "hey Joe, I hope we get VJ!"

I'd be surprised if Allen & Mike would pay the price to bring in Jackson

We are hoping to be consistently competitive but we need to keep and actually add to our draft picks - I still think that these guys have a plan for 2011 as well as trying to remake this franchise ASAP

so .... I say NO to Jackson at any price and let's see how much we can get for you know who after he has a monster season for the defense

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skinsfan#33 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Off the field problems, premadona, over values self - not what I want on my team. Also, AJ Smith is known for devaluing his players when it's time for contract negotiations but overvaluing them in trades. No thanks.

We've been passing on those guys for years now, look where its gotten us. 75% of good wide receivers want the ball and want to look good. It's just how it is. We do that with a DT, and that is a much more dangerous position to have a primadonna.

Vincent Jackson is "just a guy". Maybe a top 50 WR, maybe. He has had two decent, not great years with San Diego, with a great QB and a coach that knows how to call an offense. Norv sucks as a HC, but he can get the most out of a WR; see Alvin Harper, Michael Westbrook, Albert Connell, Leslie Sheppard, and even Michael Irvin. The Skins last duo of 1000 yard WR were coached by Norv (Westbrook and Connell).

Devin Thomas has more catches his first two seasons than Jackson has had. If the Bolts would trade him for a 5th I might take it.

I think you overvalue what we have if you think Thomas is better than Jackson.

No, I'm not saying Thomas is better than JAckson has been over the past two years. What I am saying is Jackson has only had two good years and his first two were comparable to Thomas' first two, even though Jackson had a MUCH better QB and offensive coordinator.

Since, I don't have a crystall ball I can't say how good Thomas will be this year, but what I do know is I don't what to pay the price for an overhyped average WR.

Any #1 WR with Norv calling the plays, with Phillip Rivers tossing him the ball, should put up stats as good, if not better than Jackson's.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Off the field problems, premadona, over values self - not what I want on my team. Also, AJ Smith is known for devaluing his players when it's time for contract negotiations but overvaluing them in trades. No thanks.

We've been passing on those guys for years now, look where its gotten us. 75% of good wide receivers want the ball and want to look good. It's just how it is. We do that with a DT, and that is a much more dangerous position to have a primadonna.

Vincent Jackson is "just a guy". Maybe a top 50 WR, maybe. He has had two decent, not great years with San Diego, with a great QB and a coach that knows how to call an offense. Norv sucks as a HC, but he can get the most out of a WR; see Alvin Harper, Michael Westbrook, Albert Connell, Leslie Sheppard, and even Michael Irvin. The Skins last duo of 1000 yard WR were coached by Norv (Westbrook and Connell).

Devin Thomas has more catches his first two seasons than Jackson has had. If the Bolts would trade him for a 5th I might take it.

I think you overvalue what we have if you think Thomas is better than Jackson.

No, I'm not saying Thomas is better than JAckson has been over the past two years. What I am saying is Jackson has only had two good years and his first two were comparable to Thomas' first two, even though Jackson had a MUCH better QB and offensive coordinator.

Since, I don't have a crystall ball I can't say how good Thomas will be this year, but what I do know is I don't what to pay the price for an overhyped average WR.

Any #1 WR with Norv calling the plays, with Phillip Rivers tossing him the ball, should put up stats as good, if not better than Jackson's.

You've obviously never watched him play. It takes very little effort on Rivers' part to get him the ball. Just heave the ball up in the air and he goes and gets it. He's a big target and had 17 yards per catch last year. He is VERY good. I don't think its a coincidence that Rivers qb rating has skyrocketed the last few years with the emergence of Jackson.

langleyparkjoe wrote:Jus because he has 2 DUI's doesn't mean he'll get his third.

No, but it is a giant red flag. Anyone can be young and make a mistake. But getting the first DUI should have been a wake up call for him, and it apparently was not. He makes enough money to call a cab. The fact that he got a second DUI indicates that he continued this deadly behavior after getting caught the first time. He either is too immature to realize what he is doing is unacceptable or he is an alcoholic and unable to stop. Unless he can demonstrate to Allen and Shanahan the changes he has made so that he is no longer drinking and driving, they should not bring him to the team.

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skinsfan#33 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Off the field problems, premadona, over values self - not what I want on my team. Also, AJ Smith is known for devaluing his players when it's time for contract negotiations but overvaluing them in trades. No thanks.

We've been passing on those guys for years now, look where its gotten us. 75% of good wide receivers want the ball and want to look good. It's just how it is. We do that with a DT, and that is a much more dangerous position to have a primadonna.

Vincent Jackson is "just a guy". Maybe a top 50 WR, maybe. He has had two decent, not great years with San Diego, with a great QB and a coach that knows how to call an offense. Norv sucks as a HC, but he can get the most out of a WR; see Alvin Harper, Michael Westbrook, Albert Connell, Leslie Sheppard, and even Michael Irvin. The Skins last duo of 1000 yard WR were coached by Norv (Westbrook and Connell).

Devin Thomas has more catches his first two seasons than Jackson has had. If the Bolts would trade him for a 5th I might take it.

I think you overvalue what we have if you think Thomas is better than Jackson.

No, I'm not saying Thomas is better than JAckson has been over the past two years. What I am saying is Jackson has only had two good years and his first two were comparable to Thomas' first two, even though Jackson had a MUCH better QB and offensive coordinator.

Since, I don't have a crystall ball I can't say how good Thomas will be this year, but what I do know is I don't what to pay the price for an overhyped average WR.

Any #1 WR with Norv calling the plays, with Phillip Rivers tossing him the ball, should put up stats as good, if not better than Jackson's.

You've obviously never watched him play. It takes very little effort on Rivers' part to get him the ball. Just heave the ball up in the air and he goes and gets it. He's a big target and had 17 yards per catch last year. He is VERY good. I don't think its a coincidence that Rivers qb rating has skyrocketed the last few years with the emergence of Jackson.

River's makes Jackson. Jackson doesn't make Rivers. If you watched any ACC football, you would know that. He's one of the best QB's to ever play college football and it's still early but I would bet he'll go down as a "Great" before its said in done - bearing injury of course. He's been able to make every throw since his freshman year and has been able to do more with less than any player in the NFL or college for that matter. That's why he has such a huge contract and VJax does not. Every team in the NFL would take River's over Jackson anyday.

frankcal20 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Off the field problems, premadona, over values self - not what I want on my team. Also, AJ Smith is known for devaluing his players when it's time for contract negotiations but overvaluing them in trades. No thanks.

We've been passing on those guys for years now, look where its gotten us. 75% of good wide receivers want the ball and want to look good. It's just how it is. We do that with a DT, and that is a much more dangerous position to have a primadonna.

Vincent Jackson is "just a guy". Maybe a top 50 WR, maybe. He has had two decent, not great years with San Diego, with a great QB and a coach that knows how to call an offense. Norv sucks as a HC, but he can get the most out of a WR; see Alvin Harper, Michael Westbrook, Albert Connell, Leslie Sheppard, and even Michael Irvin. The Skins last duo of 1000 yard WR were coached by Norv (Westbrook and Connell).

Devin Thomas has more catches his first two seasons than Jackson has had. If the Bolts would trade him for a 5th I might take it.

I think you overvalue what we have if you think Thomas is better than Jackson.

No, I'm not saying Thomas is better than JAckson has been over the past two years. What I am saying is Jackson has only had two good years and his first two were comparable to Thomas' first two, even though Jackson had a MUCH better QB and offensive coordinator.

Since, I don't have a crystall ball I can't say how good Thomas will be this year, but what I do know is I don't what to pay the price for an overhyped average WR.

Any #1 WR with Norv calling the plays, with Phillip Rivers tossing him the ball, should put up stats as good, if not better than Jackson's.

You've obviously never watched him play. It takes very little effort on Rivers' part to get him the ball. Just heave the ball up in the air and he goes and gets it. He's a big target and had 17 yards per catch last year. He is VERY good. I don't think its a coincidence that Rivers qb rating has skyrocketed the last few years with the emergence of Jackson.

River's makes Jackson. Jackson doesn't make Rivers. If you watched any ACC football, you would know that. He's one of the best QB's to ever play college football and it's still early but I would bet he'll go down as a "Great" before its said in done - bearing injury of course. He's been able to make every throw since his freshman year and has been able to do more with less than any player in the NFL or college for that matter. That's why he has such a huge contract and VJax does not. Every team in the NFL would take River's over Jackson anyday.

I never said I'd take Jackson over Rivers. I just said I'll take Jackson over our receivers. It seems like a no-brainer, but this board seems to be anti-receiver. Confusing since I can't figure out what it is we have that's so great.

I think some of you need to youtube the guy before you make a sweeping judgment that Phillip Rivers is god, and his receivers are a byproduct of him. He makes a lot more tough catches and seems to be a lot more wide open than our receivers.

brad7686 wrote:I think some of you need to youtube the guy before you make a sweeping judgment that Phillip Rivers is god, and his receivers are a byproduct of him. He makes a lot more tough catches and seems to be a lot more wide open than our receivers.

I like Jackson a lot. He's a good receiver, no doubt, and better than what we have.

Getting open, though, I wonder if it's a function of scheme (i.e., Zorn's schemes couldn't get a jar open) as much as talent?

I'll take Jackson over Kelly and Thomas, today right now. Our drafted receivers are bums. Kelly is always hurt (again at training camp) and Thomas needs to get a clue.

Some reporters (JLC) thinks these 2 will NOT make the 53 man roster for 2010.

langleyparkjoe wrote:Jus because he has 2 DUI's doesn't mean he'll get his third.

As a former prosecutor and present criminal defense attorney, I'll say this:

Yes, yes it does.

I guarantee you he'll get a 3rd.

If he didn't learn from his 1st, he certainly won't learn from his 2nd. He won't learn until he does a substantial amount of time in prison for DUI.

Thank you, JH (and, welcome back, btw). The one truth attempting to predict future behavior is...

The best predictor of future behavior IS past behavior.

Glad to see you again, JH. Welcome back.

It's about time you're back JH.

Why the name change JH?

Deadskins wrote:Why the name change JH?

Who's JH?