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The Skins have a position of strength if they'd like to pull off a deal to further improve their OL or other areas of need. Fred Davis played well after ey went down last year. If he continues that into training camp, and if ey looks healthy during the early portion of camp and shows well in the first couple of preseason games, ey could be dealt.

The TE position will put up big numbers this season in Washington. Donovan McNabb has always thrown to the TE, and Shanahan features the position in his offense.

ThePickman wrote:The Skins have a position of strength if they'd like to pull off a deal to further improve their OL or other areas of need. Fred Davis played well after ey went down last year. If he continues that into training camp, and if ey looks healthy during the early portion of camp and shows well in the first couple of preseason games, ey could be dealt.

The TE position will put up big numbers this season in Washington. Donovan McNabb has always thrown to the TE, and Shanahan features the position in his offense.

Look leave ey alone

LORD GIBBS wrote:

ThePickman wrote:The Skins have a position of strength if they'd like to pull off a deal to further improve their OL or other areas of need. Fred Davis played well after ey went down last year. If he continues that into training camp, and if ey looks healthy during the early portion of camp and shows well in the first couple of preseason games, ey could be dealt.

The TE position will put up big numbers this season in Washington. Donovan McNabb has always thrown to the TE, and Shanahan features the position in his offense.

Look leave ey alone

I like ey a lot. These things are necessary sometimes to get better. Would you rather see Fred Davis go? That's fine as long as you can tell me that Colley is completely healthy.

Pickman.. you missed the previous posts where I demolished the notion of getting rid of ey for a pick/other player. The bottom line was this for me (and a few others)---> ey, Davis, Dennis Morris (who I'm sure will make the team and be a great TE backup), Larry, CP, Willie, Moss and our young gun WRs (who are still proving themselves). Why would you want to mess that up? People say give up ey for a lineman.. and then what? Haven't we been picking up every dag gone lineman who's out there? Don't forget we just got the guy from the Saints too. You'd rather have kept Yoder and trade ey? Seriously? The commish hasn't decided about Moss yet, he could miss a few games for us which means we'll need our other players to step up. Who better than ey? We now have Donovan who has proven he can throw the ball and guess what, ey catches balls and he's good at it.

Leave it alone bro, if its not broke......

Oh, and welcome to the site! Enjoy it bro!

Pickman -

Don't forget, with ey you get a quasi lineman - ey blocks well, and much much more.

The real (and dare I say it - game changing) potential is having 2 TE sets with 2 TE that are real weapons. Who's the D going to cover? and when they do, that opens up the receivers.

Shut it down..... I don't like this thread. I wish for ey to be a Skins player for his entire career.

I really do not think that Allen & Shanahan are looking into anything that involves ey AND I am fairly sure that Kyle has already begun getting the offense in gear and a part of that work has involved the 2 TE sets

we are going to see both ey and Davis have a really good year here and I just don't see the value in trading him

The offensive line does need better depth but I think the combination of offensive co-ordinators that are a huge upgrade from the last 2 years AND adding McNabb and both Shanahans is going to be significant for our offense


ey will be here for another year


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When was the last time a TE made a big enough splash in a trade to grab up a good pick or another good aquisition?

I'm serious, I can't recall.

IMO there is no point in trying to market a solid TE in this league. The position is just not "sexy" enough.

we finally get a homegrown talent, now we look to trade. I say HECK NO! We have an owner that is willing to spend, let's wait it out and see who he can get in here. Fred might have played well, but ey is reliable, trade fred.

There are two ways to go when you have a position of strength.
1- Trade for a position of weakness
2- feature it.

LETS GO WITH OPTION 2

as many above have posted, this offense will work great with two te's. ey and Davis are both servicable or better blockers, are sneeky athletic, and know how to find the soft spot in zones.

In an offense that moves the pocket, and a QB that throws well on the run, Davis and ey are both the EXACT kind of guys you want 7-15 yards deep finding holes. If you have the luxury of two of them, you use them both.

Their versatility allows us to run anything that has to be defended like a traditional running package, to a formation that has to be defended like 4 wr without changing personell. The defense however, can not defend both with the same personell, and with McNabb reading the defense personel and position, we will be able to move the ball.

We are weak at reciever, our line is much improved, the defense is going to feature PO getting to the QB. The roster is not perfect, but trading one of our TE's does not bring equal value anywhere else.

beyond those points...ITS FREAKIN' COOLEY MAN.

Tim4104 wrote:There are two ways to go when you have a position of strength.
1- Trade for a position of weakness
2- feature it.

LETS GO WITH OPTION 2

as many above have posted, this offense will work great with two te's. ey and Davis are both servicable or better blockers, are sneeky athletic, and know how to find the soft spot in zones.

In an offense that moves the pocket, and a QB that throws well on the run, Davis and ey are both the EXACT kind of guys you want 7-15 yards deep finding holes. If you have the luxury of two of them, you use them both.

Their versatility allows us to run anything that has to be defended like a traditional running package, to a formation that has to be defended like 4 wr without changing personell. The defense however, can not defend both with the same personell, and with McNabb reading the defense personel and position, we will be able to move the ball.

We are weak at reciever, our line is much improved, the defense is going to feature PO getting to the QB. The roster is not perfect, but trading one of our TE's does not bring equal value anywhere else.

beyond those points...ITS FREAKIN' COOLEY MAN.

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rick301 wrote:Pickman -

Don't forget, with ey you get a quasi lineman - ey blocks well, and much much more.

The real (and dare I say it - game changing) potential is having 2 TE sets with 2 TE that are real weapons. Who's the D going to cover? and when they do, that opens up the receivers.

This exactly. ey and Davis on the field at the same time creates the best opportunity for this team this year. It allows them to only have two WR's on the field, when they may only have one legitimate starter. Defenses may have one player capable of covering our TE's, but almost none have two players. Huge mismatch, plus if the defense plays nickel against it, they have to choose between leaving Moss in single coverage, or doubling him and leaving no safety deep to cover the other players. If they go dime to double moss and keep a saftey deep on the other three, then you run at it easily.

ey is an elite player, and we don't have a lot of those. I don't know what anybody believes we would realistically get for ey tradewise that would justify trading away a top 5 TE.

Please, search for the trade ey thread before going on with this thread.

I love ey, but if we could trade him for a top wide receiver, for example, it's a move that the team would have to seriously consider. You don't trade him just for the sake of making a move, but if there is a trade to be made that can address an area of weakness and gives us good value, you make the move.

CanesSkins26 wrote:I love ey, but if we could trade him for a top wide receiver, for example, it's a move that the team would have to seriously consider. You don't trade him just for the sake of making a move, but if there is a trade to be made that can address an area of weakness and gives us good value, you make the move.

Were someone to offer us a PB WR for ey, we should consider it. Very unlikely.

yupchagee wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I love ey, but if we could trade him for a top wide receiver, for example, it's a move that the team would have to seriously consider. You don't trade him just for the sake of making a move, but if there is a trade to be made that can address an area of weakness and gives us good value, you make the move.

Were someone to offer us a PB WR for ey, we should consider it. Very unlikely.

Agree it's unlikely. Just think it makes no sense that some people are 100 % against trading ey. He is prob my favorite Skin but if it improves the team you trade him without hesitation.

CanesSkins26 wrote:I love ey, but if we could trade him for a top wide receiver, for example, it's a move that the team would have to seriously consider. You don't trade him just for the sake of making a move, but if there is a trade to be made that can address an area of weakness and gives us good value, you make the move.

And what's the likelihood of getting a Fitz, Steve Smith(the good one), young Boldin, ect for ey? I guess if we could get a rookie Montana/Favre/Elway, we could trade ey as well, but REALISTICALLY, we're not going to get near the value for him that most of us would accept. So when I say NO WAY, I mean no way REALISTICALLY.

Especially when he can run a split end anyway.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I love ey, but if we could trade him for a top wide receiver, for example, it's a move that the team would have to seriously consider. You don't trade him just for the sake of making a move, but if there is a trade to be made that can address an area of weakness and gives us good value, you make the move.

Were someone to offer us a PB WR for ey, we should consider it. Very unlikely.

Agree it's unlikely. Just think it makes no sense that some people are 100 % against trading ey. He is prob my favorite Skin but if it improves the team you trade him without hesitation.

I think you have to be very carefull with the definition of "Improve the team".
Cheering on your favorite sports team is about more than wins and losses. Proof positive is the existence of this message board given the Skins mediocrity over the span of the last several years.

I remember growing up watching the Skins with my mom, and when Art Monk would catch a ball, or Darrell would nock a pass down, she would not point out to me the angle 28 took, or how reliable of a reciever Monk was. She always said (of both) "Timmy, that man has class. That is the kind of guy you want on your football team". Now, ey's escapades seperate him from the Green's and Monk's of our younger years, but he is a quality guy.

My least favorite moments as a Skin's fan are anouncements that involved names like Deion Sanders. He had a chance to be very productive but I never felt like he was a guy I could get behind.

ey is a guy you can get behind. He does his job, is not terribly expensive, plays a position whose effect on the game is often disproportionately higher than the fan-fare and pay grade it recieves, which holds true for ey himself, and he is good in the locker room. The other players love him.

I personally have a man-crush on him, and don't hide it. But even someone who approaches him as a fan simply because he is in the burgundy and gold, I would caution against thinking that a player with potentially higher production stat wise would be fair value to this "team". TE's effect on a game is often not measured purely by production, and Good guys are not as plentiful as they used to be.

There may be players that would measure favorably stat wise or production wise to ey, and even if we were to stipulate that those players are available in a trade for ey, I would fear why those teams feel those players are expendable, and why they feel ey is more valuable.

ey knows his value, is not overly pridefull, and is quite simply a lot of fun. I think the Skins will be able to continue a relationship with him in which both sides get equal value, until he is ready to hang the cleats up. And, he seems like the kind of guy that would hang them up at the right time.

I will hope for; and drink to, that belief.

Tim4104 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I love ey, but if we could trade him for a top wide receiver, for example, it's a move that the team would have to seriously consider. You don't trade him just for the sake of making a move, but if there is a trade to be made that can address an area of weakness and gives us good value, you make the move.

Were someone to offer us a PB WR for ey, we should consider it. Very unlikely.

Agree it's unlikely. Just think it makes no sense that some people are 100 % against trading ey. He is prob my favorite Skin but if it improves the team you trade him without hesitation.

I think you have to be very carefull with the definition of "Improve the team".
Cheering on your favorite sports team is about more than wins and losses. Proof positive is the existence of this message board given the Skins mediocrity over the span of the last several years.

I remember growing up watching the Skins with my mom, and when Art Monk would catch a ball, or Darrell would nock a pass down, she would not point out to me the angle 28 took, or how reliable of a reciever Monk was. She always said (of both) "Timmy, that man has class. That is the kind of guy you want on your football team". Now, ey's escapades seperate him from the Green's and Monk's of our younger years, but he is a quality guy.

My least favorite moments as a Skin's fan are anouncements that involved names like Deion Sanders. He had a chance to be very productive but I never felt like he was a guy I could get behind.

ey is a guy you can get behind. He does his job, is not terribly expensive, plays a position whose effect on the game is often disproportionately higher than the fan-fare and pay grade it recieves, which holds true for ey himself, and he is good in the locker room. The other players love him.

I personally have a man-crush on him, and don't hide it. But even someone who approaches him as a fan simply because he is in the burgundy and gold, I would caution against thinking that a player with potentially higher production stat wise would be fair value to this "team". TE's effect on a game is often not measured purely by production, and Good guys are not as plentiful as they used to be.

There may be players that would measure favorably stat wise or production wise to ey, and even if we were to stipulate that those players are available in a trade for ey, I would fear why those teams feel those players are expendable, and why they feel ey is more valuable.

ey knows his value, is not overly pridefull, and is quite simply a lot of fun. I think the Skins will be able to continue a relationship with him in which both sides get equal value, until he is ready to hang the cleats up. And, he seems like the kind of guy that would hang them up at the right time.

I will hope for; and drink to, that belief.

rick301 wrote:Pickman -

Don't forget, with ey you get a quasi lineman - ey blocks well, and much much more.

The real (and dare I say it - game changing) potential is having 2 TE sets with 2 TE that are real weapons. Who's the D going to cover? and when they do, that opens up the receivers.

Exactly- There's the benefit of having them both. Why mess that up?

Before we filled out our roster with the McNabb trade, the drafting of T. Williams etc, and the acquisition of Jammal Brown, this might have made sense. But, as it stands now - I don't think it makes as much sense as it might have 4 months ago.

We have a good team that can be very competitive now. The only disgruntled player out there who might be of equivalent value is Vincent Jackson in my opinion, and the Chargers would never make that trade because (i) they already have A. Gates, and (ii) even if they didn't - Tight Ends are simply not going to fetch a star receiver.

In January - March, our roster was looking pretty awful, we had limited picks, and there was a ton of speculation that we would use our #1 pick on a QB when we should have used it on an OL. As it panned out, we got a QB that none of us expected us to get, and we acquired a Pro Bowl Tackle in addition to drafting what he hope is another.

The additions we've made may make it easier for Thomas and Kelly to step up as did Sidney Rice and Roddy White. So, my vote is to wait and see how the offense looks this year and build from there. Remember, if there is football next year, the Free Agent crop is going to be the deepest ever.

WE ARE NOT TRADING COOLEY or considering that - we are a 4-12 franchise - We need to add players not lose them
the only players we should consider trading away are players that we do not think can help our team and whom might bring in at least equal value if not more value

we now have NFL people running things and we should let them continue to add to this franchise and NOT ship out players that can help

SkinsJock wrote:I really do not think that Allen & Shanahan are looking into anything that involves ey AND I am fairly sure that Kyle has already begun getting the offense in gear and a part of that work has involved the 2 TE sets

we are going to see both ey and Davis have a really good year here and I just don't see the value in trading him

The offensive line does need better depth but I think the combination of offensive co-ordinators that are a huge upgrade from the last 2 years AND adding McNabb and both Shanahans is going to be significant for our offense


ey will be here for another year


welcome to the site

I agree with this 100%. Just like the 3-4 does on defensive blitzes where you have no idea where the rusher is coming, featuring a 2 tight end set where both can catch and get YAC, it'll be tough to defend and keep defenses guessing. Then you start motioning them out...who's going to cover them? A LB in the open field, a safety, a #3 DB? This creates mismatches and will be our key to winning.

There isn't a market for ey. ey needs to be placed on the trading block for there to be a market. Was there even a rumor of ey on the trade block? Or is this a rumor started from us?

No way should we let ey go.
ey is the most consistent offensive player we have. Jumbo formations with two tight ends will be good. We could run out of those formations and play action. Having two good tight ends can help us. Shanahan has always been good with offense.

I think it is fair to say that we might have the two best tight ends in the league. We are at least the deepest in talent at that posistion.
Same thing could be said with the RB position. Larry Johnson and Clinton Portis are both former pro bowlers.