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Posted: **Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:23 am**

Was keeping Donovan McNabb in NFC East a cagey move by Eagles?

ASHBURN, Va. -- Most NFL observers and fans weren't shocked when the Eagles traded QB Donovan McNabb over the weekend, there was just widespread surprise that Philly allowed him to stay in the NFC East by sending him to the Redskins.

And though many have questioned Philadelphia's deal, was it actually a shrewd maneuver?

Yes, the Eagles will have to play McNabb twice per season, perhaps for many years ... and that will make it easy to quantify (and possibly second-guess) the transaction.

But remember, life also just got a lot tougher for the Cowboys and Giants, who are a collective 7-1 against Washington since 2008.

Since realignment in 2002 -- when the lowly Cardinals were expelled from the NFC East -- only two teams have lost 12 games in a season in the ultracompetitive division: the Giants in 2003 ... and the Redskins last year.

With McNabb now in Washington, the divisional balance will probably be closer to what it was in 2007 and 2008 when no team had a losing record in a division that earned five total playoff berths during that two-year stretch.

Though Eagles-Redskins will be highly scrutinized matchups, McNabb also has a 10-6 regular-season record vs. the Giants and a 11-8 mark against the Cowboys (he was 12-7 against the Redskins).

"It's going to be an enjoyable week," McNabb said Tuesday of his first outing against the Eagles in 2010, "but nothing to the fact that it would be any different than playing the Giants or Dallas. We have a tough schedule ahead of us, so I won't be picking two games out of the schedule that I look forward to playing. You have to be ready to play at all times in this league." -- Nate Davis

Posted: **Sat May 01, 2010 2:17 pm**

Man, who comes up with this stuff?

Posted: **Sat May 01, 2010 3:59 pm**

riggofan wrote:Man, who comes up with this stuff?

No chance this had anything to do with the move. They simply were fed up with McNabb's inaccuracy, realized he was on his last legs anyway, and wanted to concentrate on developing someone else. The iggies don't think McNabb will help or hurt them and were probably just grateful they could get a second round pick for him. They got too much for McNabb, just as we got too little for Campbell. Shanny and Allen lost, considering both deals as one.
This will be clear to all by the season's end.

Posted: **Sat May 01, 2010 4:24 pm**

crazyhorse1 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Man, who comes up with this stuff?

No chance this had anything to do with the move. They simply were fed up with McNabb's inaccuracy, realized he was on his last legs anyway, and wanted to concentrate on developing someone else. The iggies don't think McNabb will help or hurt them and were probably just grateful they could get a second round pick for him. They got too much for McNabb, just as we got too little for Campbell. Shanny and Allen lost, considering both deals as one.
This will be clear to all by the season's end.

Yikes. Don't believe the hype my man. Both were good deals. Pop a xanax and chill.

Posted: **Sun May 02, 2010 6:10 pm**

crazyhorse1 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Man, who comes up with this stuff?

No chance this had anything to do with the move. They simply were fed up with McNabb's inaccuracy, realized he was on his last legs anyway, and wanted to concentrate on developing someone else. The iggies don't think McNabb will help or hurt them and were probably just grateful they could get a second round pick for him. They got too much for McNabb, just as we got too little for Campbell. Shanny and Allen lost, considering both deals as one.
This will be clear to all by the season's end.

Dude, lay off the crack. We gave Campbell more than enough time. We'd end up hearing again how he's in his millionth offensiive system, yadah, yadah, yadah.

We'd end up with the same result, 6-10, 7-9, or 8-8. To think that Campbell is an even swap for McNabb, or to think that Allen and Shanny got ripped off simply makes you look ignorant.

This will be clear to all by the seasons end. HAIL!!

Posted: **Sun May 02, 2010 6:10 pm**

crazyhorse1 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Man, who comes up with this stuff?

No chance this had anything to do with the move. They simply were fed up with McNabb's inaccuracy, realized he was on his last legs anyway, and wanted to concentrate on developing someone else. The iggies don't think McNabb will help or hurt them and were probably just grateful they could get a second round pick for him. They got too much for McNabb, just as we got too little for Campbell. Shanny and Allen lost, considering both deals as one.
This will be clear to all by the season's end.

Dude, lay off the crack. We gave Campbell more than enough time. We'd end up hearing again how he's in his millionth offensiive system, yadah, yadah, yadah.

We'd end up with the same result, 6-10, 7-9, or 8-8. To think that Campbell is an even swap for McNabb, or to think that Allen and Shanny got ripped off simply makes you look ignorant.

This will be clear to all by the seasons end. HAIL!!

Posted: **Sun May 02, 2010 6:43 pm**

So Cal Skin Dude wrote:
crazyhorse1 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Man, who comes up with this stuff?

No chance this had anything to do with the move. They simply were fed up with McNabb's inaccuracy, realized he was on his last legs anyway, and wanted to concentrate on developing someone else. The iggies don't think McNabb will help or hurt them and were probably just grateful they could get a second round pick for him. They got too much for McNabb, just as we got too little for Campbell. Shanny and Allen lost, considering both deals as one.
This will be clear to all by the season's end.

Dude, lay off the crack. We gave Campbell more than enough time. We'd end up hearing again how he's in his millionth offensiive system, yadah, yadah, yadah.

We'd end up with the same result, 6-10, 7-9, or 8-8. To think that Campbell is an even swap for McNabb, or to think that Allen and Shanny got ripped off simply makes you look ignorant.

This will be clear to all by the seasons end. HAIL!!

double posting makes it look like your the one on crack....especially after you tell someone else to lay off the crack......just sayin'

Posted: **Sun May 02, 2010 8:15 pm**

We've had a pretty good run of civil conversations on the board... as mods, we have enjoyed the extended period of not that much moderating to do... This is a reminder that responses are expected to address the POST... not the POSTER.

Thanks.

Posted: **Sun May 02, 2010 9:50 pm**

crazyhorse1 wrote:
riggofan wrote:Man, who comes up with this stuff?

No chance this had anything to do with the move. They simply were fed up with McNabb's inaccuracy, realized he was on his last legs anyway, and wanted to concentrate on developing someone else. The iggies don't think McNabb will help or hurt them and were probably just grateful they could get a second round pick for him. They got too much for McNabb, just as we got too little for Campbell. Shanny and Allen lost, considering both deals as one.
This will be clear to all by the season's end.

+1. They were ready to make the transition, and we pretty much gave them a 2nd rounder to help them along. The Eagles will likely be to Shanehan and Allen what the Giants were to Gibbs and Bethard over the next 5 or 6 years. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems to me just to be the latest blunder under Dan Snyder's watch.

Posted: **Sun May 02, 2010 10:11 pm**

Totally disagree! - the Eagles IMO made a decision that they would be better off without McNabb and the ONLY reason for trading him to another team in the division was because our position in the draft gave them the best value

I think that most NFL analysts think that the Eagles did NOT make the best decision for their franchise

we are certainly better off for their mis-calculation and a whole lot better off for not having to watch another season with Campbell

we also were lucky to get something for Campbell who certainly was not going to even be the #2 QB here

so this deal was a win win for the Redskins and Campbell and a hope and a prayer for the eagles

Posted: **Sun May 02, 2010 10:16 pm**

We got a proven NFL qb for a 2nd rounder. How is that ever a bad thing? The reason Philly never got over the top was Andy Reid's philosophy more than anything McNabb did or didn't do. Look how many games Philly had leads in the 4th qtr and couldn't run the clock out because the fat man didn't believe in running the ball. Third and 4th and ones were the achilles heel of the Eagles for a decade. I don't see Shannahan making the same mistake.

Posted: **Mon May 03, 2010 12:02 pm**

PalmettoSkinsfan wrote:We got a proven NFL qb for a 2nd rounder. How is that ever a bad thing? The reason Philly never got over the top was Andy Reid's philosophy more than anything McNabb did or didn't do. Look how many games Philly had leads in the 4th qtr and couldn't run the clock out because the fat man didn't believe in running the ball. Third and 4th and ones were the achilles heel of the Eagles for a decade. I don't see Shannahan making the same mistake.

Sorry for my double post and for firing off that "ignorant" blast... I do apolgize.

It simply that a lot of posters here doubted the hiring of Shanny and Allen, noting that Snyder made another lousy decision bringing in an unexperinced (and recenlty flawed GM) in Allen. And an overrated Shanny, who only won with Elway as his QB. And point to Shanny's
recent defenses in Denver as grave concern for the Skins future potential.

Those doubters are now starting to come to the reluctact addmission that this FO team really understands how to make smart and prudent football decsions... SEE: Draft/trades/FA siginings/Camp structure.

So to think that Shanny, et al, did not thoroughly evaluate the potential for McNabb to succeed in this system strikes me as plainly shortsided.

Again, the proof with all this will be in the win-loss record in 2010. HAIL!!

Posted: **Mon May 03, 2010 12:51 pm**

So Cal Skin Dude wrote:
PalmettoSkinsfan wrote:We got a proven NFL qb for a 2nd rounder. How is that ever a bad thing? The reason Philly never got over the top was Andy Reid's philosophy more than anything McNabb did or didn't do. Look how many games Philly had leads in the 4th qtr and couldn't run the clock out because the fat man didn't believe in running the ball. Third and 4th and ones were the achilles heel of the Eagles for a decade. I don't see Shannahan making the same mistake.

Sorry for my double post and for firing off that "ignorant" blast... I do apolgize.

It simply that a lot of posters here doubted the hiring of Shanny and Allen, noting that Snyder made another lousy decision bringing in an unexperinced (and recenlty flawed GM) in Allen. And an overrated Shanny, who only won with Elway as his QB. And point to Shanny's
recent defenses in Denver as grave concern for the Skins future potential.

Those doubters are now starting to come to the reluctact addmission that this FO team really understands how to make smart and prudent football decsions... SEE: Draft/trades/FA siginings/Camp structure.

So to think that Shanny, et al, did not thoroughly evaluate the potential for McNabb to succeed in this system strikes me as plainly shortsided.

Again, the proof with all this will be in the win-loss record in 2010. HAIL!!

I don't believe that's entirely true. Teh majority was excited that we went from an unknown (Zorn) to an established HC (Shanahan). Allen had more mixed reviews, and the only concern about this duo (which is still a HUGE upgrade from where we were 12 months ago) is that there was not a hardcore personnel guy.

Posted: **Mon May 03, 2010 9:28 pm**

This was simply a move that had to be done by the Eagles. The Eagles did not want to pay the kind of contract Mcnabb would demand and they are also looking to start a new. We the Redskins offered the Eagles compensation that seemed right. Also they honored Mcnabb by granting him his wish to stay in the NFC East.

Posted: **Tue May 04, 2010 9:23 am**

There is a report from Eagles mini-camp that Kolb is being outperformed by Vick. As a resident of the City of Brotherly Love I cannot wait for this to mushroom into major drama.

Posted: **Tue May 04, 2010 9:24 am**

PalmettoSkinsfan wrote:We got a proven NFL qb for a 2nd rounder. How is that ever a bad thing? The reason Philly never got over the top was Andy Reid's philosophy more than anything McNabb did or didn't do. Look how many games Philly had leads in the 4th qtr and couldn't run the clock out because the fat man didn't believe in running the ball. Third and 4th and ones were the achilles heel of the Eagles for a decade. I don't see Shannahan making the same mistake.

let's revisit this subject again in 3yrs when mcnabb is in sever decline or retired.

Posted: **Tue May 04, 2010 4:34 pm**

VetSkinsFan wrote:
PalmettoSkinsfan wrote:We got a proven NFL qb for a 2nd rounder. How is that ever a bad thing? The reason Philly never got over the top was Andy Reid's philosophy more than anything McNabb did or didn't do. Look how many games Philly had leads in the 4th qtr and couldn't run the clock out because the fat man didn't believe in running the ball. Third and 4th and ones were the achilles heel of the Eagles for a decade. I don't see Shannahan making the same mistake.

let's revisit this subject again in 3yrs when mcnabb is in sever decline or retired.

let's hope that's 3 years away!

Posted: **Wed May 05, 2010 8:41 am**

TLF18 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
PalmettoSkinsfan wrote:We got a proven NFL qb for a 2nd rounder. How is that ever a bad thing? The reason Philly never got over the top was Andy Reid's philosophy more than anything McNabb did or didn't do. Look how many games Philly had leads in the 4th qtr and couldn't run the clock out because the fat man didn't believe in running the ball. Third and 4th and ones were the achilles heel of the Eagles for a decade. I don't see Shannahan making the same mistake.

let's revisit this subject again in 3yrs when mcnabb is in sever decline or retired.

let's hope that's 3 years away!

I was being generous.

Posted: **Wed May 05, 2010 11:56 pm**

So Cal Skin Dude wrote:
PalmettoSkinsfan wrote:We got a proven NFL qb for a 2nd rounder. How is that ever a bad thing? The reason Philly never got over the top was Andy Reid's philosophy more than anything McNabb did or didn't do. Look how many games Philly had leads in the 4th qtr and couldn't run the clock out because the fat man didn't believe in running the ball. Third and 4th and ones were the achilles heel of the Eagles for a decade. I don't see Shannahan making the same mistake.

Sorry for my double post and for firing off that "ignorant" blast... I do apolgize.

It simply that a lot of posters here doubted the hiring of Shanny and Allen, noting that Snyder made another lousy decision bringing in an unexperinced (and recenlty flawed GM) in Allen. And an overrated Shanny, who only won with Elway as his QB. And point to Shanny's
recent defenses in Denver as grave concern for the Skins future potential.

Those doubters are now starting to come to the reluctact addmission that this FO team really understands how to make smart and prudent football decsions... SEE: Draft/trades/FA siginings/Camp structure.

So to think that Shanny, et al, did not thoroughly evaluate the potential for McNabb to succeed in this system strikes me as plainly shortsided.

Again, the proof with all this will be in the win-loss record in 2010. HAIL!!

We doubters are definitely not coming to the reluctant admission that Shanny and Allen are making smart and prudent decisions. In fact, we think Shanny and Allen are avoiding acquiring quality players to save Danny money this year, now that Danny has taken such a big hit because of his horrendous management of Four Flags, which is in the toilet. We are hardly blind to the fact that Shanny and Allen are hiring has-been and never-been veterans to patch over numerous holes temporarily, obviously oblivious to building for the future. Face it honchos. Building a franchise has been put off for a while. The only real effort we've made in that direction is to pull a no-brainer in the first round of the draft and take the usual wild shots we always take in the late rounds. I know some people who have bought the hype-- incredibly, that it's more "professional" to pick up bad players rather than superb ones-- but I have some old fashioned notion that having Dansby, Pashos, Marshall, Foote, and Sharper might have been OK.

Posted: **Thu May 06, 2010 8:19 am**

Come on Crazyhorse, it's madness to think we could have signed more than 1 of those guys anticipating longer than a 1 year deal with the pending renegotiation of the CBA. You can usually debate your points fairly well, don't exaggerate ...

Posted: **Thu May 06, 2010 11:01 am**

VetSkinsFan wrote:Come on Crazyhorse, it's madness to think we could have signed more than 1 of those guys anticipating longer than a 1 year deal with the pending renegotiation of the CBA. You can usually debate your points fairly well, don't exaggerate ...

That may be true, Vet, but if so, why give Shanny and Allen so much credit for being prudent? And, if they were unable to make significant progress in team building, why are they being given credit for that too? There's a strange disconnect here between what Shanny and Allen have actually brought about-- which is no better than mundane-- and what they are said to have accomplished, usually with no evidence to point to.

Posted: **Thu May 06, 2010 11:28 am**

crazyhorse1 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:Come on Crazyhorse, it's madness to think we could have signed more than 1 of those guys anticipating longer than a 1 year deal with the pending renegotiation of the CBA. You can usually debate your points fairly well, don't exaggerate ...

That may be true, Vet, but if so, why give Shanny and Allen so much credit for being prudent? And, if they were unable to make significant progress in team building, why are they being given credit for that too? There's a strange disconnect here between what Shanny and Allen have actually brought about-- which is no better than mundane-- and what they are said to have accomplished, usually with no evidence to point to.

Unbelievable. We criticize Danno when he attempts to sign evey high priced free agent available as soon as the season is over (CBA notwithstanding), as impatient and shortsided.

Then, when the FO makes what ammounts to a more pateint and money concious approach to FA, bringing in talent were we absolutely need to have it (McNabb and the OL), some state that management is not spending enough, as though we could have infact signed all the top talent available in the open market.

Honestly, do you all not beleive that the McNabb signing will turn out to be the most important signing of the off season. And, that we did not overpay for the signing like we have for the last 10 years?

I suppose I'll have to save this post and paste it as a reminder when we are smelling a 10-6 season, or better.

HAIL!

Posted: **Thu May 06, 2010 11:57 am**

crazyhorse1 wrote:That may be true, Vet, but if so, why give Shanny and Allen so much credit for being prudent? And, if they were unable to make significant progress in team building, why are they being given credit for that too? There's a strange disconnect here between what Shanny and Allen have actually brought about-- which is no better than mundane-- and what they are said to have accomplished, usually with no evidence to point to.

Dude, you may very well be right but you could just as equally be wrong. Until the games are played, we won't know. Do you own a time machine?

Posted: **Thu May 06, 2010 12:01 pm**

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Dude, you may very well be right but you could just as equally be wrong. Until the games are played, we won't know. Do you own a time machine?

I use to have one but Marty trashed it!!! :wink:

Posted: **Thu May 06, 2010 12:37 pm**

So Cal Skin Dude wrote:
crazyhorse1 wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:Come on Crazyhorse, it's madness to think we could have signed more than 1 of those guys anticipating longer than a 1 year deal with the pending renegotiation of the CBA. You can usually debate your points fairly well, don't exaggerate ...

That may be true, Vet, but if so, why give Shanny and Allen so much credit for being prudent? And, if they were unable to make significant progress in team building, why are they being given credit for that too? There's a strange disconnect here between what Shanny and Allen have actually brought about-- which is no better than mundane-- and what they are said to have accomplished, usually with no evidence to point to.

Unbelievable. We criticize Danno when he attempts to sign evey high priced free agent available as soon as the season is over (CBA notwithstanding), as impatient and shortsided.

Then, when the FO makes what ammounts to a more pateint and money concious approach to FA, bringing in talent were we absolutely need to have it (McNabb and the OL), some state that management is not spending enough, as though we could have infact signed all the top talent available in the open market.

Honestly, do you all not beleive that the McNabb signing will turn out to be the most important signing of the off season. And, that we did not overpay for the signing like we have for the last 10 years?

I suppose I'll have to save this post and paste it as a reminder when we are smelling a 10-6 season, or better.

HAIL!

Dude,

McNabb is near the end of his line and inaccurate to boot, an improvement over Campbell, but not the look of the future, and the only improvement of the the OL of note is Williams, a no-brainer pick. Management has, in fact, gone from spending too much on over-the-hill stars to spending too little for over-the-hill duds who play DL, not OL. Our OL has the worse talent level in the division, though slightly improved, and the D has added a rookie from the fourth round and an old guy at NT, as well as a host of busts from the DL. Please don't tell me management has done the job on the OL. We'll have four guys ranging from average to should-be backups and no depth. McNabb is in for a rough time. His only class receivers will be at TE. No way will we finish 10-6 unless Johnson and Parker have a lot more left in their tanks than most people think and at least one of our receivers takes a giant step forward.