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DeAngelo Hall: "We'll dominate our division"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 26, 2010 8:33 PM ET
D. Hall.jpgI have to be honest. I'm still a little fried from draft weekend and trying to recover.

So let's present these words from Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall to Dan Steinberg of DC Sports Bog without a lot of comment. Hall believes the Redskins will win 11-12 games next year. Why you ask?

"It's based on the talent we feel like we've got. "It's based on the improvements I feel like we've made. It's based on the scheme," Hall said. "The scheme alone is gonna give us four or five more wins. The games we lost by two, three points, we'll win those games, easy."

Hall was just getting warmed up.

"We'll dominate our division, off of bringing Donovan McNabb in here, a guy who's dominated the division in the past," Hall said. "So that's just an educated guess. That's an educated guess, and I stand behind. I'll stand behind that. I'll fight and claw to try to make that happen."

I love the energy and excitement, confidence, etc but please SHUT UP!!!

frankcal20 wrote:

DeAngelo Hall: "We'll dominate our division"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 26, 2010 8:33 PM ET
D. Hall.jpgI have to be honest. I'm still a little fried from draft weekend and trying to recover.

So let's present these words from Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall to Dan Steinberg of DC Sports Bog without a lot of comment. Hall believes the Redskins will win 11-12 games next year. Why you ask?

"It's based on the talent we feel like we've got. "It's based on the improvements I feel like we've made. It's based on the scheme," Hall said. "The scheme alone is gonna give us four or five more wins. The games we lost by two, three points, we'll win those games, easy."

Hall was just getting warmed up.

"We'll dominate our division, off of bringing Donovan McNabb in here, a guy who's dominated the division in the past," Hall said. "So that's just an educated guess. That's an educated guess, and I stand behind. I'll stand behind that. I'll fight and claw to try to make that happen."

I love the energy and excitement, confidence, etc but please SHUT UP!!!

Shut up? Hell, I'll just settle for a tackle now and again...

Educated guess??? Doesn't sound very educated to me.

This sounds like a rookie who has no understanding of the NFL talking. 4 or 5 wins based on scheme??? Does he not understand the term "execution". This isn't the NFC West. Man does he sound ignorant.

Man does he sound ignorant.

Well, he did go to Virginia Tech

On a more serious note, Hall needs to just shut up. He played very poorly at times last season and no player on a team coming off of a 4 win season should be talking any sort of trash.

I'm actually glad to see it. It's not like we are going to sneak up and get over on any of these teams in the Beast. We probably should have won 7-8 games last year. We have significantly improved the talent level on the team at positions where we really needed it. If we can get through the first 4 games with a dominating performance from the defense, we have a shot at winning the division. It will take some time to get everyone on the right page. The only way to do it though is to take it right to them basterds...It's weird. I find myself actually believing the hype again...it's been awhile since I got excited for a season...

markshark84 wrote:Educated guess??? Doesn't sound very educated to me.

This sounds like a rookie who has no understanding of the NFL talking. 4 or 5 wins based on scheme??? Does he not understand the term "execution". This isn't the NFC West. Man does he sound ignorant.

You have no idea what the intricacies of the scheme was we ran last year. Were you in the meeting room? That whole team from offense to defense were square pegs into round holes all over the field. JC as a west coast QB (scheme mismatch), Laron at FS (scheme mismatch), Albert Haynesworth asked to hold up blockers instead of rushing the passer (scheme mismatch), Brian Orakpo at effing LB (scheme mismatch), ARE as a return man (just plain stupid/stubborn). Not to mention on every 3rd & 5 are DB's were 15 yards off the damn ball and Laron was in New Jersey (insert slant or drag route here)! EVERYTIME!! Now is that coaching/scheme or execution?

This whole coaching staff didn't care what our players skills were. They cared what their scheme was. If a player didn't fit, they thought that they would make him fit. The defense of this team was such a facade of success, we never created turnovers and we never got a stop when we needed it.

Already Orakpo says he going to be rushing the passer a lot more, Landry said hes going back to SS and playing up in the box (even a little LB), they said that Carter would be a better fit here than in the SF 3-4 because they wont ask him to drop back into coverage really. They moved Mike Williams to OG, they traded for McNabb a WC QB. They cleared out all the people that wouldnt fit their systems immediately. Oh yeah, and they've been here for 4 months, JZ, Cerrato, and the coaching staff had 2 years to make any of those adjustments.

So before you sit there and say that "he has no understanding of the NFL" and his expectations in a change in schemes is "ignorant" ask yourself...How did this scheme fit this team?? Who was signing the guys to play in such a scheme?? Also the possibility that execution was hindered by positioning on the field. Maybe he sounds like a guy that knows he couldn't complain about the scheme because of his past and it would have been blown up. Laron when asked recently if he ever lobbied Blache to move back to SS, he said that he did what they told him to do and what they wanted him to do and hes not going to question his coaches. Hes gained confidence in the difference he has seen in the playbook and the demeanor of this leadership and that's good news.

I think you sound ignorant by saying you know more about X's and O's than Deangelo Hall because you don't know how much of a difference this defensive change will make! I would think a guy who has played 7 years in the NFL, who played in last years scheme and is learning this years, has a better "understanding of the NFL" to make a better "educated guess" then you about what kind of effect it will have.

CanesSkins26 wrote:On a more serious note, Hall needs to just shut up. He played very poorly at times last season and no player on a team coming off of a 4 win season should be talking any sort of trash.

I agree Hall didnt play well at times but who on that defense did besides Fletch, and AC? Yes, Orakpo had a good season rushing the passer but at OLB in the 4-3 he only had 50 tackles! 100th amongst LB's and take out his 11 sacks and that is only 39 tackles as an OLB. He was out of position and he didnt fit the scheme. They didnt care what his skill set was they put him were they wanted him. Cerrato to Allen (builds confidence), Zorn to Shanahan (builds confidence), Campbell to McNabb (builds confidence), executing an offseason that resembles a good organization, such as drafting OL (builds confidence), seeing a scheme that puts everybody in the best position to get that most of them and their skills (builds confidence). I can see where he is getting it from. If you think like a 4 win team you will be a 4 win team. These guys need to erase last year and build their egos on this situation at hand.

Look nobody knows what this year will look like could be great could be a disaster but leave the pessimism and skepticism to us! If this guys sees things going on around him that leads him to believe it then go ahead. I think the new regime all the way from Bruce Allen to Ray Wright is breeding that confidence let it spread! Laron has been talking a lot too, not as brash as Hall, but you can hear it in his voice when he talks about this defense how excited he is. BTW I doubt anyone will remember this come regular season, and it doesn't exactly come across at bulletin board material in my opinion...get the sand our of your virginias

I like it , I like it a whole lot. Now its time to just walk the walk Mr. Hall. I do like the confidence.

PMG, I'm not goin to get in a cut and critique war, but Orakpo was also DE pretty frequently. That alone cuts down his tackle total.

As for Hall, he had the same hype last year and failed to deliver. I'll wait to pas judgment, but I want him to put it on the field or go home.

VetSkinsFan wrote:PMG, I'm not goin to get in a cut and critique war, but Orakpo was also DE pretty frequently. That alone cuts down his tackle total.

As for Hall, he had the same hype last year and failed to deliver. I'll wait to pass judgment, but I want him to put it on the field or go home.

Come on VetSkinsfan cut and critique me, I can debate you all day and just for the record.....

John Keim (Washington Examiner) wrote:Haslett said second-year linebacker Brian Orakpo rushed the quarterback 250 times out of 1,000 snaps last season. This year, Haslett said, they want to rush him 700 times.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nfl/Skins-deny-Haynesworth-rumors-91437139.html#ixzz0mJ0heVIO

I wouldn't call 25% frequent by definition. New coaching staff watched film and says we want to have him rush the passer almost 3 times as much....wow that took long. Check your stats next time...

As for Hall, yea I remember HIM coming in all hyped up about his work ethic and all the time he put it in. I don't remember him saying "We would dominate the division". I don't count the generic "Were going to be real good this year" or " With Albert were definitely going to create more turnovers" or how about "We got a chance to do something special". These are the types of things you heard last year. I agree lets wait to see what it translate too but, the guy isn't ignorant for believing and having that much confidence in the change that has gone on in the last 4 months out there. He was there last year and hes there now. He has a better idea then we do to say what effect it will have on the team's performance.
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Nope, don't shut up.. talk that smack, if no one else wants too or too scared, I'm glad someone is.. WE WILL DOMINATE THE NFC BEAST.. so go for it, talk it.. just make sure you back it up. We Redskins fans have been trained to be so dag gone humble, screw dat.. new year, new team, new attitude.. TALK THAT SMACK and don't be panzees about everything.."oh hall needs to be quiet" "hall doesn't know we sucked last year?".. SO WHAT!?!.. we are the Redskins not the shut up and take it Skins.. YA'LL NEED TO MAN UP!

It's a buffet, Talk all you want. Just be sure you back everything up. I like the confidence. I like the swagger.

PMG12569 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:PMG, I'm not goin to get in a cut and critique war, but Orakpo was also DE pretty frequently. That alone cuts down his tackle total.

As for Hall, he had the same hype last year and failed to deliver. I'll wait to pass judgment, but I want him to put it on the field or go home.

Come on VetSkinsfan cut and critique me, I can debate you all day and just for the record.....

John Keim (Washington Examiner) wrote:Haslett said second-year linebacker Brian Orakpo rushed the quarterback 250 times out of 1,000 snaps last season. This year, Haslett said, they want to rush him 700 times.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nfl/Skins-deny-Haynesworth-rumors-91437139.html#ixzz0mJ0heVIO

I wouldn't call 25% frequent by definition. New coaching staff watched film and says we want to have him rush the passer almost 3 times as much....wow that took long. Check your stats next time...

As for Hall, yea I remember HIM coming in all hyped up about his work ethic and all the time he put it in. I don't remember him saying "We would dominate the division". I don't count the generic "Were going to be real good this year" or " With Albert were definitely going to create more turnovers" or how about "We got a chance to do something special". These are the types of things you heard last year. I agree lets wait to see what it translate too but, the guy isn't ignorant for believing and having that much confidence in the change that has gone on in the last 4 months out there. He was there last year and hes there now. He has a better idea then we do to say what effect it will have on the team's performance.
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I only made that point b/c it being DE DOES cut in to tackles as opposed to being 100% LB. I wasn't saying you were wrong, just making an valid qualification.

And did no one see Hall on NFL network last offseason? He was talking all this smack about how his extra training was gonna put him over the top...

You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Our team has been criticized pretty heavily in the last few years for having no heart or excitement. It would be one thing if this was a perennial underperformer talking, but Hall has been one of the better players on our defense over the last two years, and probably the best defensive back. Yes, he didn't have his best year last season, but who did?

I like the talk but I won't put too much stock into it until we see them execute. Still, like I said above, I'd rather see the team excited, confident, and anxious to win than timid, pouting, and confused.

frankcal20 wrote:I love the energy and excitement, confidence, etc but please SHUT UP!!!

I felt the same way when I read this yesterday. Its not that I don't appreciate Hall's "heart" or confidence or whatever. My problem is that this same crap goes on every offseason with the Redskins. Too much talking. They need to shut up and make a statement on the field.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Man does he sound ignorant.

Well, he did go to Virginia Tech

Well, Miami was tired of losing to us every year and tried to get away by running to the ACC to get away from us. BTW, thanks! We're raking in the ACC championships. How many has Miami won so far again? I can't recall...

Why does Deangelo Hall - a player who can actually contribute to helping the Redskins win - have to "SHUT UP" , when ignorant fans, who don't know what they're talking about half the time, say things like this all the time???

I like the confidence. It's not bulletin board material yet. We're 4 months away from a game.

HAIL.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Man does he sound ignorant.

Well, he did go to Virginia Tech

Well, Miami was tired of losing to us every year and tried to get away by running to the ACC to get away from us. BTW, thanks! We're raking in the ACC championships. How many has Miami won so far again? I can't recall...

That's the difference between a Miami fan and a Tech fan...you guys actually care about ACC Championships. Come talk to me when you actually win a National Championship, not a lame ACC Title that nobody cares about. Doesn't mean very much to win the ACC and then get blasted by Kansas in the Orange Bowl. 5 National Championships for the U. How many do you guys have again?

The Hogster wrote:Why does Deangelo Hall - a player who can actually contribute to helping the Redskins win - have to "SHUT UP" , when ignorant fans, who don't know what they're talking about half the time, say things like this all the time???

I like the confidence. It's not bulletin board material yet. We're 4 months away from a game.

HAIL.

B/c he had the same type of hype last year and IMO didn't deliver. I don't want to hear about it, I want to see it.

And for the record, I confront ignorant fans as well.

The Hogster wrote:Why does Deangelo Hall - a player who can actually contribute to helping the Redskins win - have to "SHUT UP" , when ignorant fans, who don't know what they're talking about half the time, say things like this all the time???

I like the confidence. It's not bulletin board material yet. We're 4 months away from a game.

HAIL.

Because he's not that good and has failed to live up to the hype before. In games that he's played in as a Redskin we are 5-15. He's obviously not to blame for all of that, but start winning some games before running your mouth. We've heard countless times over the past few years, from various players, about how much talent the team has, etc. Frankly I'm sick of hearing about it and just want to see some positive results on the field.

PMG12569 wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Educated guess??? Doesn't sound very educated to me.

This sounds like a rookie who has no understanding of the NFL talking. 4 or 5 wins based on scheme??? Does he not understand the term "execution". This isn't the NFC West. Man does he sound ignorant.

You have no idea what the intricacies of the scheme was we ran last year. Were you in the meeting room? That whole team from offense to defense were square pegs into round holes all over the field. JC as a west coast QB (scheme mismatch), Laron at FS (scheme mismatch), Albert Haynesworth asked to hold up blockers instead of rushing the passer (scheme mismatch), Brian Orakpo at effing LB (scheme mismatch), ARE as a return man (just plain stupid/stubborn). Not to mention on every 3rd & 5 are DB's were 15 yards off the damn ball and Laron was in New Jersey (insert slant or drag route here)! EVERYTIME!! Now is that coaching/scheme or execution?

This whole coaching staff didn't care what our players skills were. They cared what their scheme was. If a player didn't fit, they thought that they would make him fit. The defense of this team was such a facade of success, we never created turnovers and we never got a stop when we needed it.

Already Orakpo says he going to be rushing the passer a lot more, Landry said hes going back to SS and playing up in the box (even a little LB), they said that Carter would be a better fit here than in the SF 3-4 because they wont ask him to drop back into coverage really. They moved Mike Williams to OG, they traded for McNabb a WC QB. They cleared out all the people that wouldnt fit their systems immediately. Oh yeah, and they've been here for 4 months, JZ, Cerrato, and the coaching staff had 2 years to make any of those adjustments.

So before you sit there and say that "he has no understanding of the NFL" and his expectations in a change in schemes is "ignorant" ask yourself...How did this scheme fit this team?? Who was signing the guys to play in such a scheme?? Also the possibility that execution was hindered by positioning on the field. Maybe he sounds like a guy that knows he couldn't complain about the scheme because of his past and it would have been blown up. Laron when asked recently if he ever lobbied Blache to move back to SS, he said that he did what they told him to do and what they wanted him to do and hes not going to question his coaches. Hes gained confidence in the difference he has seen in the playbook and the demeanor of this leadership and that's good news.

I think you sound ignorant by saying you know more about X's and O's than Deangelo Hall because you don't know how much of a difference this defensive change will make! I would think a guy who has played 7 years in the NFL, who played in last years scheme and is learning this years, has a better "understanding of the NFL" to make a better "educated guess" then you about what kind of effect it will have.

You can believe what you want, but a lot of what you said is contradictory. JC was a WCO QB at Auburn (and as we all found out quickly -- not a downfield passer), Hayneworth came to the skins because he didn't have to hold up blockers (and why he currently wants out), Orakpo did rush the QB, ARE as a return guy was only because they didn't want to use Moss and had no one else (which they ended up having to use Moss because of how poorly ARE played). As far as the DBs, playing off the ball, that was part scheme and part player. Blanche would critize the DBs for that.

The TOs thing has been a constant issue for many years, how many drops did Rodgers have over the past 3 years? Can you chalk that up to scheme? What about the insane amount of broken tackles -- was that scheme? Getting stops when we needed them -- that was also an issue; did this have anything to do with the amount of time our D spent on the field? Did it come down to a test of wills? Or was it scheme?

There are tons of things that are factored in when you look at winning and losing; but to sit here and say that a defensive scheme will automatically get you wins is incorrect and uneducated. It ultimately comes down to execution (not to mention how the offense does and how they execute). This D will have to make those INT, force the TOs, make the tackles, complete their assignments.

And I never said that I know more than Hall, but then again does it matter?? What I am saying is that DHall made comments that cannot be adequately supported based on his rationale. A scheme can place a team in a better position and utilize their personelle in a more efficient manner, but it will not, in any way, determine games without execution. You need to tackle well, anticipate, read offenses, fulfill assignments, etc. While a scheme can assist, it is not the sole determinant in winning and losing -- something DHall appears to believe. Perhaps he meant that the scheme will assist the D in their execution -- but he didn't say that.

Oh and I never said he has no understanding -- please re-read my post. I said he sounds like someone with no understanding. If I thought Hall was an idiot, I would have said he was an idiot for making that statement. I again said he sounds ignorant; not that he is -- there is a difference.

Also, Hall isn't (and hasn't been) short on words. He has articulated his beliefs throught his tenure here.

My statement wasn't about whether or not I know more football or scheme better than Hall; I am saying that you cannot win games solely based on a scheme. Without execution, a scheme is worthless. This isn't rocket science. What I am saying is factual. The fact that Hall didn't preface this with a point on execution is the flaw in his statement.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Why does Deangelo Hall - a player who can actually contribute to helping the Redskins win - have to "SHUT UP" , when ignorant fans, who don't know what they're talking about half the time, say things like this all the time???

I like the confidence. It's not bulletin board material yet. We're 4 months away from a game.

HAIL.

Because he's not that good and has failed to live up to the hype before. In games that he's played in as a Redskin we are 5-15. He's obviously not to blame for all of that, but start winning some games before running your mouth. We've heard countless times over the past few years, from various players, about how much talent the team has, etc. Frankly I'm sick of hearing about it and just want to see some positive results on the field.

He's "not that good" by whose standards? Yours? Ok. Top 10 pick at 20 years old, who has made 2 Pro Bowls already, and is still just 26. Yeah, he sucks to high heaven.

Some people will complain about anything. Carlos generally plays good coverage and tackles pretty well, but he can't catch an interception. DeAngelo plays good coverage, and catches everything thrown his way. Yet, you obsess over the times he has missed a tackle to say "he's no good."

DeAngelo is a good corner, who talks alot. Oooohhh big shocker. He backs it up the best he can. He's no Ronnie Lott, but he doesn't run from contact either. You guys will find anything to complain about.

We can agree that we want to see positive results on the field, but you don't need a team full of soft-spoken Jason Campbell's to get there. Anyone recall Shannon Sharpe??

Players talk - it happens - get over it.

CanesSkins26 wrote:5 National Championships for the U. How many do you guys have again?

Well, you got me with the Hokies on that one, so I'll switch to one of my other Alma Maters, Michigan and go with:

baseball - 2
basketball - 1
hockey - 9

oh, and football - 11

Your five are a quaint start...

DeAngelo Hall is a big time Redskins fan and loves playing for the team. He also led the team in ints. and had more tackles than any other CB on the team. He's raising the bar for the team. I don't see what's wrong with it.

... besides... he's a Cornerback... he's SUPPOSED to talk trash... it's what they do.

He's "not that good" by whose standards? Yours? Ok. Top 10 pick at 20 years old, who has made 2 Pro Bowls already, and is still just 26. Yeah, he sucks to high heaven.

Yes, he was a top 10 pick, but he has not played like a top 10 pick consistently. Being only 26 and on his 3rd team also says something about him. And also way to take my comments out of context. I didn't say that he is a bad player, I'm saying that he isn't good enough to be talking trash and making stupid predictions.